NameEmma Eccleston [19, The baptism of her son William Henry Eccleston on 30th April 1865 in Cannock], [19, The baptism of her son George Whitehouse on 30th April 1865 in Cannock], [4, 1871 ref: RG10, piece 2925, folio 68, p. 23], [4, 1881 ref: RG11, piece 2786, folio 40, Page 9], [4, 1891 ref: RG12, piece 2221, folio 142, p. 12], [4, 1901 ref: RG13, piece 2665, folio 7, p. 6]
Birthca 1852
Deathca 1907, Cannock district, Staffs
GeneralShe had a total of ten children, all in Cheslyn Hay, Staffs.
Spouses
2John Whitehouse [3], [4, 1961 ref: RG09, piece 1982, folio 97, p. 15], [4, 1871 ref: RG10, piece 2925, folio 68, p. 23], [4, 1881 ref: RG11, piece 2786, folio 40, Page 9]
Marriage20 Feb 1865, St Matthew’s Church, Walsall, Staffs
Notes for Emma Eccleston
Emma’s ancestry is difficult if not impossible to work out.
This is the latest rethink, using all that I have now found and primarily serving up what Emma recorded or allowed to be recored about herself.
Emma appeared to this study when she was found to be the mother of William Henry Eccleston who was baptised in April 1865. An image of this important parish register page is to be found on FindMyPast’s site and has been downloaded.
Emma had three significant events on public record that year, chronological order unknown:
1. In the first quarter of 1865, her son George Whitehouse was born and his birth registered.
2. On 20th Feb 1865 she married John Whitehouse in Walsall.
3. On 30 April 1965 her two sons were baptised in this order from the parish register: George Whitehouse then William Henry Eccleston. For the first entry she was listed as the wife of John Whitehouse. For the second baptism she was listed as Emma Eccleston, single woman.
It is uncertain when William Henry Eccleston was born. Obviously it has to have been at least nine months before George. So william’s birth, in my view, was either in early 1864 or in 1863, though it could have been earlier. The years that William Henry and his mother gave in the censuses for his birth range from 1863 to 1867 with the latter being obvious rubbish.
William Henry’s birth was not registered and his baptism was 1 to 2 years after his birth.
During his childhood William lived with his mother and his (half-?) siblings and was entered in the censuses as William Henry Whitehouse. He reverted to his baptised surname at marriage in 1890.
But where did Emma come from?
The censuses show us that there were several Emma Ecclestons which makes it difficult to work out which, if any, was her in the censuses before her marriage, that is 1851 and 1861.
The information that Emma, the mother of William Henry and of George (and eight others) gave us in the censuses of 1871 and after is:
Emma Emma’s Birth
Census Age Yr Place
1871 24 1847 Cheslyn Hay
1881 30 1851 Cheslyn Hay
1891 38 1853 Essex London
1901 47 1854 Ruakin, Salop
1911 RIP
Emma’s age was all over the place, not to mention also her birth places. At marriage in 1865 she had said she was 20, so was born in 1845. Perhaps she did not wish anyone to work out where she did come from.
The other piece of information she left us is the name of her father. At marriage she had to give the name and occupation of her father. She said he was William Eccleston and he was a Forgeman.
There are in fact two baptisms, on FindMyPast, in England of an Emma Eccleston whose father was William:
Last name First name(s) Year Location
Eccleston Emma 1843 Knockin, Shropshire
Eccleston Emily 1852 Spalding St Mary,
St Nicolas,
Lincolnshire
The second of these was for an Emily, sometimes seen as a long name for Emma but there is no evidence that our Emma was ever an Emily.
So let us proceed with this 1843 baptism, whose details are:
Church: Knockin, Shropshire
Bapt date: 28 Feb 1843
Margin note: Entd. into the church Nov 31 ….(?)
Name: Emma dau of
Parents: William, labourer, & Sarah
Surname: Eccleston
Abode: Knockin
From the margin note, presumably this Emma was born in Nov 1842. If this is for Emma the mother of William Henry and of George, etc, she would have been around 42 at the birth of her last child, Francis or, later Samuel Francis, Whitehouse in 1884, perfectly feasible.
The next entry of Emma’s age was at marriage in 1865 when she said she was 20 and the daughter of William Ecclestone, Forgeman. If her age at the above baptism was three months and if this was indeed her baptism, then at marriage she was 22. It is possible she wished to give her husband the idea that he was older than her. as he seems to have been born around 1842. (My paternal gt-grandmother radically reduced her age at both her marriages, I have presumed for the same reason.)
I remain doubtful about the above:
1. The ages for Emma are not consistent,
2. Emma gave a wide variety of different birth places,
3. There was a local Charles Eccleston who was a forgeman, might Emma have borrowed that job description for her actual father?
4. I cannot find a family of William and Sarah Eccleston in the 1841 census.
5. I cannot find a family of William, Sarah and Emma in the 1851 or 1861 censuses.
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All we know with reasonable certainty is:
1. Emma’s maiden name was Eccleston which she gave at:
(a) her marriage to John Whitehouse in February 1865,
(b) William Henry’s baptism,
(c) the registration of all nine children with John Whitehouse.
2. She had ten children, all in Cheslyn Hay.
3. She was with her family in the 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses.
4. She died in 1907 in the Cannock registration district.
The rest of these Misc Notes gives transcripts of most of these.
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This is the 1871 census for Whitehouse at The Green, Cheslyn Hay, Penkridge, Staffordshire:
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Whitehouse Head - M 30 1841 Miner Staffordshire, Cheslyn Hay
Emma Whitehouse Wife - F 24 1847 - Staffordshire, Cheslyn Hay
William Whitehouse Son - M 7 1864 Scholar Staffordshire, Cheslyn Hay
George Whitehouse Son - M 6 1865 Scholar Staffordshire, Cheslyn Hay
Susannah Whitehouse Daur - F 2 1869 - Staffordshire, Cheslyn Hay
John Smith Lodg - M 50 1821 Miner Staffordshire, Stafford
Ref:
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 2925
Folio 68
Page 23
Combined: 1871 ref: RG10, piece 2925, folio 68, p. 23
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And George had this birth index (among 209):
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
WHITEHOUSE, GEORGE ECCLESTONE
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in PENKRIDGE Volume 06B Page 440
And Susannah had this birth index:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
WHITEHOUSE, SUSANNAH ECCLESTONE
GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in PENKRIDGE Volume 06B Page 451
Interestingly George was baptised first at Cannock on 30th April 1865, with the surname of Waterhouse and parents of John and Emma and next in the baptism register was William Henry with the surname of Eccleston and parent as Emma (again) Eccleston ‘single woman’. Bingo… I had previously imagined this was two separate families keeping one another company from the village of Chesslyn Hay, four or five miles from Cannock, a steady walk. Bit I have subsequently found that there was a train connection available from the early 1860s.
No baptism can be found for Susannah.
This has not fully resolved the question. We still are not certain who are the parents of Emma Ecclestone; there is no parish register entry for their marriage. The simple resolution is to get a copy of her marriage certificate which will state her father’s name on it (hopefully).
In truth we have no idea of Emma’s age at marriage. She could have been older. Or younger. If younger, she would have required parental permission which she might not have wanted to try out.
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Now that we know Emma was married and her married name, we can chase her history to the end of her life:
In 1881 they were still at 4, Green, Cheslyn Hay, Cannock, Staffordshire with four more children:
First Ma- Birth
name(s) Last name Rel rr Sex Age yr Occupation Birth place
John Whitehouse Head M M 37 1844 Coal miner Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Emma Whitehouse Wife M F 30 1851 Wife Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
William Whitehouse Son S M 18 1863 Coal miner Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
George Whitehouse Son S M 16 1865 Coal miner Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Susannah Whitehouse Daur S F 12 1869 Scholar Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Eliza Whitehouse Daur S F 8 1873 Scholar Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Josiah Whitehouse Son S M 7 1874 Scholar Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Fredrick Whitehouse Son S M 5 1876 - Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
John H Whitehouse Son S M 1 1880 - Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
John Parton Vist M M 40 1841 Stock taker (iron) West Bromwich, Staffordshire
Sarah Parton Vist M F 41 1840 - Wales
Ref:
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 2786
Folio 40
Page 9
Combines: 1881 ref: RG11, piece 2786, folio 40, Page 9
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In 1891 they were still in Cheslyn Hay at New Inn, Station Road, Cheslyn Hay, Cannock, Staffordshire:
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Whitehouse Head M M 44 1847 Coal miner and licenced victualler
Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Emma Whitehouse Wife M F 38 1853 - London
George Whitehouse Son S M 24 1867 Coal miner Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Eliza Whitehouse Daur S F 18 1873 - Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Josiah Whitehouse Son S M 15 1876 Coal miner Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Frederick Whitehouse Son S M 14 1877 Brick maker Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
John H Whitehouse Son - M 11 1880 Scholar Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Maud Whitehouse Daur - F 7 1884 Scholar Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Samuel F Whitehouse Son - M 6 1885 Scholar Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Jane Green Serv S F 22 1869 General servant domestic Stafford, Staffordshire
Ref:
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 2221
Folio 142
Page 12
Combined: 1891 ref: RG12, piece 2221, folio 142, p. 12
Note that Emma had a further two children in the 1880s and that Emma’s birth had moved from 1847 in 1871 to 1851 in 1881 and now at 1853 in 1891. Not to mention that she now gives a birth place of London.
William Henry was in his own house in 1891 as he had married in 1890, using the surname of Eccleston.
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In 1901 she and her family were still in Creslyn Hay: Station Street, Cheslyn Hay, Cannock, Staffordshire:
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Whitehouse Head M M 57 1844 Coal miner hewer Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Emma Whitehouse Wife M F 47 1854 - Shropshire
Frederick Whitehouse Son S M 23 1878 Coal miner Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
John Henry Whitehouse Son S M 21 1880 Coal miner horse driver Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Emily Maude Whitehouse Daur S F 18 1883 - Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Francis Sam Whitehouse Son S M 17 1884 Coal miner Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
George Wm Thomas G-sn S M 7 1894 - Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Mary Ann Dawkins Serv S F 14 1887 Servant (domestic) Chadsmoor, Staffordshire
Ref:
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 2665
Folio 7
Page 5
Combined: 1901 ref: RG13, piece 2665, folio 7, p. 6
Note that Emma is now born in 1854, another year taken off her age, and is now born in Ruaken, Shropshire, from the enumerator’s sheet.
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Emma had a total of ten children: William Henry with an an unknown father, possibly John, and, with John Whitehouse, five further sons and four daughters.
One daughter died very early. All the other children seem to have survived to adulthood but I will have further details as my investigations continue.
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All Emma’s and Wm’s census info, bearing in mind that Wm married in 1890 and was living is his own house in the 1891 census and after:
Emma Emma’s Birth Wm Wm’s Birth Emma Age at
Census Age Yr Place Age Year Place Wm birth
1871 24 1847 Cheslyn Hay 7 1864 Cheslyn Hay 14
1881 30 1851 Cheslyn Hay 18 1863 Cheslyn Hay 12
1891 38 1853 Essex London 27 1864 Cheslyn Hay 11
1901 47 1854 Ruakin, Salop 37 1864 Cheslyn Hay 10
1911 RIP 44 1867 Cheslyn Hay -
1928 - 67 1861 (at his death)
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She probably died in 1907 and certainly could not be found in the 1911 census:
Name: Age at Death (in years):
WHITEHOUSE, EMMA 56
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in CANNOCK Volume 06B Page 296
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Notes for N.N. & Emma (Family)
We know nothing of the father of William Henry Eccleston.
His did not marry Emma. William henry did not have his birth registered, so there was no opportunity to enter his name there.
The only record we have of William Henry’s birth is on the baptism register of St Luke’s Cannock for 30th April 1965, which turns out to be a Sunday.
Emma had taken both her children along to be baptised, the elder William Henry and the new-born George. Emma lived at Chelyn Hay and this was three or four miles from St Luke’s in Cannock. There were no buses and no trains in those days. People could cadge lifts from a carrier. My assumption is that she walked to St Luke’s. Could she have carried both children? I doubt it, probably someone carried William Henry, possibly this was her then husband John Whitehouse as it was on Sunday and most likely the mine did not work then. I think John would have been at the christening.
The baptism service was a mass baptism with about ten babies baptised on that Sunday. I have no idea how the mass baptism proceeded. There was little chance of making arrangement beforehand over the phone; I imagine that people just turned up, they were baptised and the priest asked for their names while doing so and other details when entering the register, or rather when entering his notebook prior to fair copy into the register.
At this stage, let us imagine that George was presented first, as his entry is prior to William Henry’s. Everything would have gone smoothly. He was fairly recently born and his parents were recently married too and it could even have been, the marriage at Walsall, a day or two before George was born. So George’s parents were indeed John and Emma Whitehouse, as entered on the register. Then William Henry was presented. Might Emma have said that he too was the son of her and John Whitehouse. Might the priest have noticed that William Henry was at least a year old and so was born well before John and Emma got married. Might the priest then have said sternly: “No you, John and Emma, are not his religiously defined parents. At the time of William Henry’s birth, you were not married, what was your name then, Emma?” So she gave the name of Eccleston and this was what was written down in the register, albeit with her married name on the line above!
The above account is to show that there is a case for concluding that William Henry’s father was none other than the father of all his brothers and sisters, John Whitehouse. For some strange reason, possibly to prove that the law was an ass, Emma then made sure that William Henry did not forget that he had been baptised William Henry Eccleston.
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In a different way my paternal grandfather was baptised with the surname of Powys. By the time his sister, the second of the children of his parents, he being the first, was born, his father, and mother, had changed their name to Powys-Lybbe and his sister was registered and baptised with that surname.
Through his childhood my grandfather was always called Powys-Lybbe. But he knew he was really ‘Powys’. So within three weeks after his 21st birthday he changed his name by deed-poll to Powys-Lybbe. It was open to William Henry to adopt the Whitehouse name once he was 21 but he chose not to do this; did he think that he was not Whitehouse? Or did he think that the law was an ass? Or did he not know he had that option? We shall never know.
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Notes for John & Emma (Family)
Their marriage index:
First name(s) Emma
Last name Eccleston
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1865
MarriageFinder Emma Eccleston married one of these people
John Whitehouse, George Acres
District Walsall
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 6B
Page number 702
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
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This does not provide the names of their fathers. Nor can a copy of any parish register marriage be found on FindMyPast. So I may have to shell out on a full marriage Certificate. Though Ancestry will be tried first; they have nothing. Ordered from GRO on 6 July 2021. Delivered on 13th July 2021.
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One point to notice is that all her and John Whitehouse’s children were registered with her maiden name given as Eccleston. It is not clear yet what even was the first event to have this maiden name reported. Was it the marriage on 20th February 1865 or was it the registration of George’s birth in Q1 of 1965? I have ordered George’s birth certificate to find out; on 13th July 2021.
The next event at which her maiden name of Eccleston was given was in April 1865 when she got her first two children baptised and gave her full maiden name for the sole parent of William Henry whose birth had not been registered. See the marriage notes for the relationship between herself and the unknown father of William Henry Eccleston.
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Walsall where they married, is about seven miles from Cheslyn Hay where they lived and where all the children were born. Why did they go there and how did they do it?
She married in Q1 of 1865; she gave birth to George in Q1 of 1865. I will shortly get the precise date of their marriage and the precise date of George’s birth is looking necessary.
So whatever the date, she was either heavily pregnant or had just given birth. Could she really have walked that distance? There were no buses or trains in those days and probably she and John could not have afforded either of those. They may have got a lift on a carter’s wagon.
This still does not explain the long journey. It is looking extremely likely that Emma was a very young mother. She could have given birth to William Henry as young as ten. If she wished to get married at the age of eleven, she would have needed her father’s permission. She might have been thrown out of her parents’ house the moment she announced her pregnancy. Or she might have anticipated a veto on her marriage by her father. Anyhow she could well have needed to conceal her age and make out that she was 21; certainly she did something of the sort in the early censuses of her married life.
(My gt-grandfather said his father was dead when he got married at the age of 19; this saved him the trouble of getting the long-estranged chap’s permission for his first marriage. And in fact he later died some nine years before his father.)
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Transcript of the marriage certificate:
CERTIFIED COPY OF AN ENTRY OF MARRIAGE GIVEN AT THE GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE
1865 Marriage solemnised at St Matthew’s Church in the Parish of Walsall in the County of Stafford
No: 346
When Married: February 20th
His Hers
Full name: John Whitehouse Emma Eccleston
Age: 23 20
Condition: Bachelor Spinster
Profession: Miner -
Residence: Lichfield St. Lichfield St.
Father’s name: William Whitehouse William Eccleston
Father’s job: Miner Forgeman
Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and
Ceremonies of the Established Church by Banns by me: Wm. Burnet, Curate
This Marriage was solemnized between us: X John Whitehouse his mark, Emma Eccleston
In the Presence of us: X Joseph Jones his mark, X Elizabeth Morgan her mark.
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