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NameGen Sir Frederick Augustus Wetherall 
[27, LG of Ireland 1958, Hamilton article, p. 347], [316, His section (2), pp. 13-17 and his second wife’s section (33), p. 48], [3, His death, Q4 of 1842, Brentford dist, vol 3, p. 9], [52, Burial on 24 Dec 1842 at St Mary Ealing, Middlesex]
[27, LG of Ireland 1958, Hamilton article, p. 347], [316, His section (2), pp. 13-17 and his second wife’s section (33), p. 48], [3, His death, Q4 of 1842, Brentford dist, vol 3, p. 9], [52, Burial on 24 Dec 1842 at St Mary Ealing, Middlesex]Birth1754
Death18 Dec 1842, Castle Hill, Ealing, Mx
Burial24 Dec 1842, St Mary Ealing, Middlesex
GeneralOf Castle House, Great Ealing, Mx (Alumni Cantab for son Alexander).
FatherJohn Wetherall (-ca1794)
MotherN. N.
Spouses
Marriage14 Jun 1801, St Margaret’s, Westminster, London [316, FAW’s section (2), p. 16], [19, Marriage on 14 June 1801 at St Margaret’s Westminster]
ChildrenGeorge Augustus (1788-1868)
Frederick Augustus (1789-1856)
Alexander Frederick (1804-1869)
John Francis (1805-1842)
Augusta Mary Adolphina (1807-1885)
Marriage16 Oct 1817, St Margaret’s, Westminster, London [316, p. 18 and, with an error, her section (33), p. 48], [19, Marriage, ]
Notes for Gen Sir Frederick Augustus Wetherall
m. (1) Elizabeth Mytton, (2) (16 Oct 1817) Elizabeth Ann Mair, widow of Richard Broad.
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July, 2020, TFPL: Family Search is showing this baptism which I think is from a non-conformist record:
Name: ? ?Wetherald
Event Type: Birth
Birth Date: 24 Aug 1754
Birthplace: Aysgarth, Yorkshire
Father's Name: John Wetherald
Mother's Name: Mary Wetherald
Probably not him, but just a thought.
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He was in Gibraltar 1783-89.
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In the 1841 Army List he was:
10 Jan 1837: full General
4 Jun 1814: Lt General
25 Oct 1809: Major General
and was Colonel of the 17th (the Leicestershire) Regiment of Foot, wef 17 Feb 1840.
and finally he was GCH, Grand Cross of the Royal Hanoverian Guelphic Order.
In 1839 he was in Pettigrew & Oulton's Dublin Almanack & General Register of Ireland as:
Extra Groom in Waiting, Sir Frederick Augustus Wetherall, G.C.H.
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His death (from FreeBMD):
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1842 (99%)
Wetherall Frederick Augustus Brentford 3 9
His will corroborates this.
And this entry on the new GRO site adds in his age at death, giving a birth year of 1754:
Name: Age at Death (in years):
WETHERALL, FREDERICK AUGUSTUS 87
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03 Page 9
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His burial:
First name(s) Frederick Augustus
Last name Wetherall
Age 88
Birth year -
Burial year 1842
Burial date 24 Dec 1842
Death year 1842
Origin Ealing
Burial place Ealing
Place Ealing
County Middlesex
Country England
Source St.Mary Ealing 1813-1868 burials
Record set Thames & Medway Burials
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Boyd’s Inhabitants of London has a detailed list of his family, with dates, and where we do have records to check them against, the dates are spot on. This makes it very tempting to accept the dates that we cannot corroborate. I would imagine he got hold of this list from a family member.
The children:
Forenames Birth Death
1. William Rowley 8 Oct 1782 30 Sep 1785
2. Frederick 20 Feb 1784 1 Mar 178?
3. George Augustus 20 Feb 1788 8 Apr 1868 at Sandhurst
4. Frederick Augustus 26 Feb 1789 21 Dec 1856 at Perivale Middx
5. Edward 8 Aug 1791 18 Mar 1814 at Bergen op Zoom
6. Isabella Mary Eliza 30 May 1795 3 Nov 1827 marr Tho Pakenham
7. Charles 23 July 1798 2 Oct 1868
8. stillborn 20 Mar 1801
9. stillborn 24 May 1802
10. stillborn 14 Apr 1803
11. Alexandra 27 Jul 1804 3 Oct 1869
12. John Francis 7 Sep 1805 28 Sep 1842
13. Augusta Mary
Adolphina 6 Mar 1807 1 Oct 1885 at Blackburn
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July, 2020, TFPL: Family Search is showing this baptism which I think is from a non-conformist record:
Name: ? ?Wetherald
Event Type: Birth
Birth Date: 24 Aug 1754
Birthplace: Aysgarth, Yorkshire
Father's Name: John Wetherald
Mother's Name: Mary Wetherald
Probably not him, but just a thought.
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He was in Gibraltar 1783-89.
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In the 1841 Army List he was:
10 Jan 1837: full General
4 Jun 1814: Lt General
25 Oct 1809: Major General
and was Colonel of the 17th (the Leicestershire) Regiment of Foot, wef 17 Feb 1840.
and finally he was GCH, Grand Cross of the Royal Hanoverian Guelphic Order.
In 1839 he was in Pettigrew & Oulton's Dublin Almanack & General Register of Ireland as:
Extra Groom in Waiting, Sir Frederick Augustus Wetherall, G.C.H.
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His death (from FreeBMD):
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1842 (99%)
Wetherall Frederick Augustus Brentford 3 9
His will corroborates this.
And this entry on the new GRO site adds in his age at death, giving a birth year of 1754:
Name: Age at Death (in years):
WETHERALL, FREDERICK AUGUSTUS 87
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03 Page 9
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His burial:
First name(s) Frederick Augustus
Last name Wetherall
Age 88
Birth year -
Burial year 1842
Burial date 24 Dec 1842
Death year 1842
Origin Ealing
Burial place Ealing
Place Ealing
County Middlesex
Country England
Source St.Mary Ealing 1813-1868 burials
Record set Thames & Medway Burials
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Boyd’s Inhabitants of London has a detailed list of his family, with dates, and where we do have records to check them against, the dates are spot on. This makes it very tempting to accept the dates that we cannot corroborate. I would imagine he got hold of this list from a family member.
The children:
Forenames Birth Death
1. William Rowley 8 Oct 1782 30 Sep 1785
2. Frederick 20 Feb 1784 1 Mar 178?
3. George Augustus 20 Feb 1788 8 Apr 1868 at Sandhurst
4. Frederick Augustus 26 Feb 1789 21 Dec 1856 at Perivale Middx
5. Edward 8 Aug 1791 18 Mar 1814 at Bergen op Zoom
6. Isabella Mary Eliza 30 May 1795 3 Nov 1827 marr Tho Pakenham
7. Charles 23 July 1798 2 Oct 1868
8. stillborn 20 Mar 1801
9. stillborn 24 May 1802
10. stillborn 14 Apr 1803
11. Alexandra 27 Jul 1804 3 Oct 1869
12. John Francis 7 Sep 1805 28 Sep 1842
13. Augusta Mary
Adolphina 6 Mar 1807 1 Oct 1885 at Blackburn
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Will notes for Gen Sir Frederick Augustus Wetherall
His will was proven on 30 Jan 1843 at PCC: Prob 11/1974/202. It has been ordered on 10 Jan 2018.
Notes for Frederick Augustus & Elizabeth (Family)
Boyd’s Inhabitants of London has a detailed list of their family, starting with their marriage on 10 Aug 1781.
Their marriage tramscript:
First name(s) Frederick Augustus
Last name Wetherall
Residence St Margaret Westminster
Marriage year 1801
Parish St Margaret, Westminster
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Mitten
Spouse residence St Margaret Westminster
County Middlesex
Country England
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Record set Westminster Marriages
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My transcript of the page of the parish register:
No 636 Frederick Augustus Wetherall of this Parish Batchelor and Elizabeth Mitton of the same parish spinster Married in this Church by Licence this fourteenth Day of June in the year One Thousand Eight Hundred and One by me John Wetherall Rector of Fishbourne Supra
This marriage was solemnised between Us [signed] Fredck Aug Wetherall Elizabeth Mitton
In the presence of Frances Mitton T A Atwood.
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FindMyPast’s transcript identifies ‘This Church’ as St Margaret’s Westminster. I wonder if the witness Frances Mitton was in fact Elizabeth’s mother? The celebrant was highly probably the groom’s brother.
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Nevertheless the marriage causes one little problem: their elder children were born out of wedlock. Unless there was an earlier marriage at a foreign posting whose record has been lost. Or was this a second marriage?
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Mar 2020, TFPL: Just had a re-read of Fred McCrea’s book of the Wetheralls. He says that Frederick and Elizabeth were married in Salisbury in 1781. He does not mention this 1801 marriage. The 1781 marriage is not in any registers that I have found. McCrea says that Elizabeth Mitton was the daughter of George Mytton and that she had three sisters “one married a Colonel de Beauvoir of Penton, Hamptshire, another married a William Dent, and Frances married Rogers Wetherall, a cousin of Sir Frederick’s and who was known in in the family as “Uncle Hodge” and his wife as “Aunt Fanny” of whom, already related”.
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Their marriage tramscript:
First name(s) Frederick Augustus
Last name Wetherall
Residence St Margaret Westminster
Marriage year 1801
Parish St Margaret, Westminster
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Mitten
Spouse residence St Margaret Westminster
County Middlesex
Country England
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Record set Westminster Marriages
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My transcript of the page of the parish register:
No 636 Frederick Augustus Wetherall of this Parish Batchelor and Elizabeth Mitton of the same parish spinster Married in this Church by Licence this fourteenth Day of June in the year One Thousand Eight Hundred and One by me John Wetherall Rector of Fishbourne Supra
This marriage was solemnised between Us [signed] Fredck Aug Wetherall Elizabeth Mitton
In the presence of Frances Mitton T A Atwood.
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FindMyPast’s transcript identifies ‘This Church’ as St Margaret’s Westminster. I wonder if the witness Frances Mitton was in fact Elizabeth’s mother? The celebrant was highly probably the groom’s brother.
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Nevertheless the marriage causes one little problem: their elder children were born out of wedlock. Unless there was an earlier marriage at a foreign posting whose record has been lost. Or was this a second marriage?
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Mar 2020, TFPL: Just had a re-read of Fred McCrea’s book of the Wetheralls. He says that Frederick and Elizabeth were married in Salisbury in 1781. He does not mention this 1801 marriage. The 1781 marriage is not in any registers that I have found. McCrea says that Elizabeth Mitton was the daughter of George Mytton and that she had three sisters “one married a Colonel de Beauvoir of Penton, Hamptshire, another married a William Dent, and Frances married Rogers Wetherall, a cousin of Sir Frederick’s and who was known in in the family as “Uncle Hodge” and his wife as “Aunt Fanny” of whom, already related”.
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Notes for Frederick Augustus & Elizabeth Ann (Family)
Marriage reported to be at St Margaret’s Westminster.
Their Marriage Licence (original at Soc of genealogists):
First name(s) FRED'K AUG'S
Last name WETHERALL
Licence year 1817
Licence date 13 Oct 1817
New calender date 13 Oct 1817
Bride's first name(s) Eliz'th Ann
Bride's last name BROAD
Groom's first name(s) Fred'k Aug's
Groom's last name WETHERALL
Place Dioceses of England & Wales
Record set Faculty Office Marriage Licences
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Their marriage transcription by FindMyPast:
First name(s) Frederick Augustus
Last name Wetherall
Residence St Margaret Westminster
Marriage year 1817
Parish St Margaret, Westminster
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth Anne
Spouse's last name Broad
Spouse residence Kensington
County Middlesex
Country England
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Record set Westminster Marriages
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The actual marriage register has:
“Marriages solemnized in tghe Parish of Saint margaret Westmtr in the County of Middlesex in the Year 1817
Frederick Augustus Wetherall Esquire Lieut Genl in His Majesty’s Service, of this parish, widower and Elizabeth Anne Broad of the Parish of Kensington, Widow were married in this Church by Licence with consent of [blank] this sixteenth Day of October in the Year One Thousand eight hundred and seventeen By me William Groves, Curate
This marriage was solemnsized between us (signed) Fred Aug Wetherall Elizabeth Anne Broad
in the presence of Wo William Mair Mary Wynn Bryan Wetherall
No 46
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Their Marriage Licence (original at Soc of genealogists):
First name(s) FRED'K AUG'S
Last name WETHERALL
Licence year 1817
Licence date 13 Oct 1817
New calender date 13 Oct 1817
Bride's first name(s) Eliz'th Ann
Bride's last name BROAD
Groom's first name(s) Fred'k Aug's
Groom's last name WETHERALL
Place Dioceses of England & Wales
Record set Faculty Office Marriage Licences
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Their marriage transcription by FindMyPast:
First name(s) Frederick Augustus
Last name Wetherall
Residence St Margaret Westminster
Marriage year 1817
Parish St Margaret, Westminster
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth Anne
Spouse's last name Broad
Spouse residence Kensington
County Middlesex
Country England
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Record set Westminster Marriages
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The actual marriage register has:
“Marriages solemnized in tghe Parish of Saint margaret Westmtr in the County of Middlesex in the Year 1817
Frederick Augustus Wetherall Esquire Lieut Genl in His Majesty’s Service, of this parish, widower and Elizabeth Anne Broad of the Parish of Kensington, Widow were married in this Church by Licence with consent of [blank] this sixteenth Day of October in the Year One Thousand eight hundred and seventeen By me William Groves, Curate
This marriage was solemnsized between us (signed) Fred Aug Wetherall Elizabeth Anne Broad
in the presence of Wo William Mair Mary Wynn Bryan Wetherall
No 46
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