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NameAnn Betts 
[36], [27, 1899: Trotter of Horton Manor, p. 2054], [189, James Trotter's 1803 matriculation, Vol 1, Folio 220]
[36], [27, 1899: Trotter of Horton Manor, p. 2054], [189, James Trotter's 1803 matriculation, Vol 1, Folio 220]Deathca 12 Oct 1759, Frith Street, Soho, Middlesex
Burial16 Oct 1759, St Anne’s, Soho, Middlesex
GeneralNatural dau. of James Lock, GGGG-nephew of John Locke philosopher, and Ann Betts.
FatherJames Lock (-1756)
MotherAnn Betts (-1761)
Spouses
Marriage18 Jun 1752, St Luke, Old Charlton, Kent
Notes for Ann Betts
Lyon Register has her name as Ann Loch.
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From the birth and baptism dates for her daughter Ann of 7th and 18th Oct 1859 respectively, she must have died in childbirth.
Her death index on FamilySearch:
Name Anne Trotter
Event Type Burial
Event Date 1759
Event Place St Anne, Soho, Middlesex
The image of the burials page adds ‘Frith St’, presumably where she lived, and died.
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From the image of the burial register, thanks Ancestry, transcript by me:
< St Anne, Soho > 1759-1775 >
“ Burials 1759
“ October 1759. From.
“. . . .
“16 Anne Trotter : Frith Str. W
I do not know what the letter ‘W’ stands for, on the far right of the line. Each line, or entry, has one such letter, mostly ‘C’, some ‘W’ and a very occasional ‘M’. My suggestion is that these stand for ‘Child’, ‘Woman, and ‘Man’.
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She gave birth to her daughter Ann on 7th October 1759 (as written on the baptism register). She was buried on 16th October 1759, so she must have died between those two dates. I would guess that the interval between death and burial was no more than a few days, so c.12th October sounds like a good guess for her death date.
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From the birth and baptism dates for her daughter Ann of 7th and 18th Oct 1859 respectively, she must have died in childbirth.
Her death index on FamilySearch:
Name Anne Trotter
Event Type Burial
Event Date 1759
Event Place St Anne, Soho, Middlesex
The image of the burials page adds ‘Frith St’, presumably where she lived, and died.
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From the image of the burial register, thanks Ancestry, transcript by me:
< St Anne, Soho > 1759-1775 >
“ Burials 1759
“ October 1759. From.
“. . . .
“16 Anne Trotter : Frith Str. W
I do not know what the letter ‘W’ stands for, on the far right of the line. Each line, or entry, has one such letter, mostly ‘C’, some ‘W’ and a very occasional ‘M’. My suggestion is that these stand for ‘Child’, ‘Woman, and ‘Man’.
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She gave birth to her daughter Ann on 7th October 1759 (as written on the baptism register). She was buried on 16th October 1759, so she must have died between those two dates. I would guess that the interval between death and burial was no more than a few days, so c.12th October sounds like a good guess for her death date.
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Notes for John & Ann (Family)
The marriage register transcript:
Role Groom
Record set Kent Marriages And Banns
First name(s) John
Last name Trotter
Marriage year 1752
Spouse's first name(s) An
Spouse's last name Betts
County Kent
Country England
Place Charlton by Greenwich, St Luke
Residence St An Westminster MDX
Marriage date 18 Jun 1752
Supplier Kent Family History Society
Record source West Kent Marriage Index, Charlton marriages 1562-1812
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Who were these two?
Faculty Office Marriage Licences Transcription
First name(s) JOHN
Last name TROTTER
Licence year 1752
Licence date 12 Jun 1752
New calender date 12 Jun 1752
Bride's first name(s) Anne
Bride's last name BETTS
Groom's first name(s) John
Groom's last name TROTTER
Place Dioceses of England & Wales
Record set Faculty Office Marriage Licences
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
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The (visible) wording of the photocopy of the Marriage licence is:
[Date, invisible, above is 12 Jun 1752]
“On which day appeared personally John Trotter of the parish of St Anne Westminster in the County of Middlesex Batchelor aged above thirty years and alledged that he intends to marry with Anne Betts of the same Parish Spinster aged above twenty one years and ----------------
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No knowing of believing any lawful Let or Impediment by reason of any Precontract, Consanguinity, affinity or any other lawful means whatsoever to hinder the said intended marriage. Of the trusth of the promisission (?) he made Oath and prayed Licence to solemnise this marriagein the parish church of St Anne aforesaid, St Gregory London, of (Mordaunt College stuck out) in the chapel called Sir John Mordon’s Chapel on Black Heath in the County of Kent.
[signed} John Trotter
Sworn before me
Artht Collect
Surrogate”
[No clue therein as to Anne Betts’ parentage.]
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And their marriage is on Family Search and FindMyPast:
John Trotter
mentioned in the record of John Trotter and Ann Betts
Name: John Trotter
Spouse's Name: Ann Betts
Event Date: 18 Jun 1752
Event Place: Saint Luke,Old Charlton,Kent,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01551-2 ,
System Origin: England-ODM ,
GS Film number: 942.23 C3 K29CH
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The text of the Marriage Licence shows him to be of St Anne’s Westminster parish.
It is just possible that she was a widow, had married a Betts but was born Lock or Loch. But the marriage licence said she was a spinster.
It is as likely that she was the illegitimate daughter of James Lock and Anne Betts senior.
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Steve Sanders provided this information:
“From the Burney Newspaper
Collection, there is a report from the 6/23-25/1752 *London Evening Post* that
says John Trotter, Upholder and Cabinet-maker, of Frith Street, Soho
married Miss Betts, an agreeable young lady with a fortune of L5,000. This
is quite curious as all genealogy says he married Ann Locke. Ancestry.com
does record the marriage to Ann Betts on 18 June 1752 at Saint Luke, Old
Charlton, Kent. Furthermore, John Trotter bound an apprentice named Samuel
Betts in 1754, presumably a relative of Ann Betts.”
And, at last downloaded from FindMyPast, from the Salisbury and Winchester Journal of the 29 June 1752:
“A few days since was married at Mordaunt [sic] College, Black-Heath, Mr John Trotter, an eminent Cabinetmaker and Upholder, in Frith Street, St Ann’s, Soho, to Muss Berts [sic], an agreeable young lady with a Fortune of Five Thousand Pounds.”
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And Brian Bouchard found that James Lock’s will included provision for support for an Ann Betts for the rest of her life and also for Samuel Betts, a minor and an apprentice to John Trotter, presumably his and Ann Betts’ son. This clearly indicates that the father of the bride here, Ann Betts junior, was James Lock, as stated by her children in their report to the Lyon King of Arms and then in the various reports in Burkes Landed Gentry.
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Role Groom
Record set Kent Marriages And Banns
First name(s) John
Last name Trotter
Marriage year 1752
Spouse's first name(s) An
Spouse's last name Betts
County Kent
Country England
Place Charlton by Greenwich, St Luke
Residence St An Westminster MDX
Marriage date 18 Jun 1752
Supplier Kent Family History Society
Record source West Kent Marriage Index, Charlton marriages 1562-1812
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Who were these two?
Faculty Office Marriage Licences Transcription
First name(s) JOHN
Last name TROTTER
Licence year 1752
Licence date 12 Jun 1752
New calender date 12 Jun 1752
Bride's first name(s) Anne
Bride's last name BETTS
Groom's first name(s) John
Groom's last name TROTTER
Place Dioceses of England & Wales
Record set Faculty Office Marriage Licences
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
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The (visible) wording of the photocopy of the Marriage licence is:
[Date, invisible, above is 12 Jun 1752]
“On which day appeared personally John Trotter of the parish of St Anne Westminster in the County of Middlesex Batchelor aged above thirty years and alledged that he intends to marry with Anne Betts of the same Parish Spinster aged above twenty one years and ----------------
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No knowing of believing any lawful Let or Impediment by reason of any Precontract, Consanguinity, affinity or any other lawful means whatsoever to hinder the said intended marriage. Of the trusth of the promisission (?) he made Oath and prayed Licence to solemnise this marriagein the parish church of St Anne aforesaid, St Gregory London, of (Mordaunt College stuck out) in the chapel called Sir John Mordon’s Chapel on Black Heath in the County of Kent.
[signed} John Trotter
Sworn before me
Artht Collect
Surrogate”
[No clue therein as to Anne Betts’ parentage.]
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And their marriage is on Family Search and FindMyPast:
John Trotter
mentioned in the record of John Trotter and Ann Betts
Name: John Trotter
Spouse's Name: Ann Betts
Event Date: 18 Jun 1752
Event Place: Saint Luke,Old Charlton,Kent,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01551-2 ,
System Origin: England-ODM ,
GS Film number: 942.23 C3 K29CH
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The text of the Marriage Licence shows him to be of St Anne’s Westminster parish.
It is just possible that she was a widow, had married a Betts but was born Lock or Loch. But the marriage licence said she was a spinster.
It is as likely that she was the illegitimate daughter of James Lock and Anne Betts senior.
________________
Steve Sanders provided this information:
“From the Burney Newspaper
Collection, there is a report from the 6/23-25/1752 *London Evening Post* that
says John Trotter, Upholder and Cabinet-maker, of Frith Street, Soho
married Miss Betts, an agreeable young lady with a fortune of L5,000. This
is quite curious as all genealogy says he married Ann Locke. Ancestry.com
does record the marriage to Ann Betts on 18 June 1752 at Saint Luke, Old
Charlton, Kent. Furthermore, John Trotter bound an apprentice named Samuel
Betts in 1754, presumably a relative of Ann Betts.”
And, at last downloaded from FindMyPast, from the Salisbury and Winchester Journal of the 29 June 1752:
“A few days since was married at Mordaunt [sic] College, Black-Heath, Mr John Trotter, an eminent Cabinetmaker and Upholder, in Frith Street, St Ann’s, Soho, to Muss Berts [sic], an agreeable young lady with a Fortune of Five Thousand Pounds.”
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And Brian Bouchard found that James Lock’s will included provision for support for an Ann Betts for the rest of her life and also for Samuel Betts, a minor and an apprentice to John Trotter, presumably his and Ann Betts’ son. This clearly indicates that the father of the bride here, Ann Betts junior, was James Lock, as stated by her children in their report to the Lyon King of Arms and then in the various reports in Burkes Landed Gentry.
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