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NameJohn Trotter 
[3, LDS Film No 1067895], [27, 1899: Trotter of Horton Manor, p. 2054], [36], [189, James Trotter's 1803 matriculation, Vol 1, Folio 220]
[3, LDS Film No 1067895], [27, 1899: Trotter of Horton Manor, p. 2054], [36], [189, James Trotter's 1803 matriculation, Vol 1, Folio 220]Birth6 Apr 1713, Catlesheil, Berwick
Baptism6 Apr 1713, Eccles, Berwick
DeathJul 1790
General3rd & 1st surv. s. Of Horton Manor, Surrey and Kettleshiel, Berwick.
FatherAlexander Trotter (-1728)
MotherJean Stuart (1690-1767)
Spouses
1Ann Betts [36], [27, 1899: Trotter of Horton Manor, p. 2054], [189, James Trotter's 1803 matriculation, Vol 1, Folio 220]
[36], [27, 1899: Trotter of Horton Manor, p. 2054], [189, James Trotter's 1803 matriculation, Vol 1, Folio 220]FatherJames Lock (-1756)
MotherAnn Betts (-1761)
Marriage18 Jun 1752, St Luke, Old Charlton, Kent
Notes for John Trotter
His baptism (06/04/1713 Trotter, John [OPR Births 737/00 0010 0083 Eccles])
“6 April at Baighrije (?)
“Alexander Trotter of Kettlesheil & Jean Stewart his lady an child Bap: N: John. Wit Sr John Stewart of Allanbank & John Trotter of Morton hall & Mt John Trotter doctor of medicine”
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Purchased Horton Hanor (History of Surrey) around 1780.
In this History of Surrey he is referred to as an upholsterer but in the Topgraphy of Surrey he is said to be an army contractor. Both say he died in 1790, the latter in July.
In the Topography his previous address is down as "of Soho Square, London".
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From The National Archive’s Discovery database (kindly communicated by Steve Sanders):
PROPERTIES OF JOHN TROTTER IN EPSOM AND ELSEWHERE: DEEDS AND PAPERS
The following describes the contents of this collection in the Surrey History Centre archives. Find out more about how to see the original documents.
Ref No: 186
Repository: Surrey History Centre, Woking
Date: 1624-1896
Format: Archives
Admin History: Horton Manor, represented by 3 court rolls (186/1/1-3), first appears in these deeds as part of a large estate in the joint ownership of Sir John Lewkenor and Richard Evelyn by right of their respective wives, Anne and Elizabeth, daughters and coheiresses of George Mynne. Horton fell to the share of Elizabeth Evelyn and was left by her to Charles Calvert, 4th Lord Baltimore, a distant relative. With other property in Epsom and Ewell, Horton Manor was sold in 1768 by Frederick Calvert, 6th Lord Baltimore (after his abortive trial for rape at Kingston) to John Trotter, a Soho upholsterer, originally of Kettleshiels, Berwickshire (see Burke's Landed Gentry, 1952, Trotter of Brin). Trotter's grandson, another John Trotter, MP for West Surrey 1841-7, was the owner at the time these documents end.
The descent of various other properties is traced through the families of Parkhurst (of Gatesby, Northamptonshire), Edwards (of Epsom) and others. 3 court rolls of Bletchingley Manor (186/6/1-3) appear to have come from the Perkins family of Pendell, Bletchingley, by virtue of John Trotter's marriage with Maria, daughter of John Perkins of Pendell Court. Deeds and other documents relating to a half moiety of Nutfield Manor (186/7/1-76), formerly the property of William Aynscombe Burt, also came to Trotter through his wife, her brother, John Perkins, having purchased it in 1831 when Burt went bankrupt.
Level: Collection
Access Status: Open. There are no access restrictions
Provenance: Presented by Williams and James, solicitors of Gray's Inn, London, through the British Records Association (BRA nos.1047, 1062, 1073, 1153), in November 1965.
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As above John Trotter was an Upholsterer. Steve Sanders has unearthed his apprenticeship Indenture: In the top of the paper there is the handwritten date of 4 Feb 1745 which does not correspond with anything else on the document. The document reads:
[The full Achievement of the Joiners Company is shown in the top left of the Indenture]
[All handwriting is rendered here in italics]
This Indenture Witnesseth, That John Trotter son of Alexander Trotter of Kettleshiel in the Shire of Berwick in North Britain, gent doth put himself Apprentice to Henry Williams Citizen and JOYNER of London, to learn his art; and with him (after the manner of an Apprentice) to serve from the Day of the Date hereof unto the full end and term of of seven years, from thence next following to be fully compleat and ended: During which term, the said Apprentice his said Master faithfully shall serve, his secrets keep, his lawful Commandments every where gladly do. He shall do no damage to his said Master, nor see to be done of others, but that he to his Powere shall let, or forthwith give warning to his said Master of the same. He shall not waste the Goods of his said Master, nor lend them unlawfully to any. he shall not commit Fornication, nor contract Matrimony within the said term. He shall not play at Cards, Dice, Tables, or any other unlawful Games, whereby his said Master may have any loss. With his own Goods or others, during the said term, without Licence of his said Master, he shall neither buy nor sell. He shall not haunt Taverns or Play-Houses, nor absent himself from his Master’s service day nor night unlawfully: But in all things as a faithful Apprentice he shall behave himself towards his said Master, and all his, during the said Term. And the said Master, (in Consideration of the sum of Twenty One pound and Ten Shillings his said Apprentice, in the same Art which he useth, by the best means that he can, shall teach and instruct, or cause to be taught and instructed, finding unto his said Apprentice, Meat, Drink, Apparel, Lodging, and all other Necessaries, according to the Custom of the City of London, during the said term. And for the true performance of all and every the said Covenants and Agreements, either of the said Perties bind themselves unto the other by these Presents. In witness whereof, the Parties above-named to these Indentures interchangeably have put their Hands and Seals, the Twenty first day of March Anno Dom 1726 and in the Twentieth Year of the Reign of our Sovereign Lord George, King of Great-Britain, etc.
Signatures:
Sam: Robinson John Trotter
Seal: (illegible)
IN FACT: I am fairly sure that the sum paid was “Thirty One pounts and Ten Shillings” which happens to be exactly thirty guineas. TFPL. July 2018.
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In “Merchants and the Military in Eighteenth Century Britain, British Army Contracts and Domesti Supply 1739-1763” Gordon E Bannerman writes of John Trotter:
On p. 69: “The most successful supplier of camp equipment was John Trotter, from 1754 described as an ‘Upholder’ in Thrift Street, Soho. Catalogues at his shop detailing horses for sale indicated that Trotter possessed a well-known business. Trotter’s contracting career spanned the Seven Years War and the American Revolution and he was considered an honest and reliable purveyor of quality products. During the Seven Years War, Trotter supplied tents, marquees, knapsacks, and gaiters. These products were not bound by geographical constraints, and Trotter was able to supply regiments in North America, Germany and Britain.”
On p. 86: “The supplier of camp equipage, Trotter, established a contracting dynasty. From 1794 his son supplied practically all non-perishable military supplies. With the central base at his factory in Soho Square, the business comprised some 109 depots in 1807. Trotter stored articles such as blankets and tents at the end of each conflict, and reissued them to the army when needed, thus undercutting regimental agents and contractors by peacetime purchasing. Yet with no definite agreement, and Trotter fixing his own prices and charging 10 per cent profit, objections were raised over the propriety of the provision, issue and custody of articles belonging to the same man. These objections were removed by returning to open contracting and converting Trotter’s business into the Store Keeper General’s Department with custody of all military stores, except the Ordnance.”
On p. 132: “Although less likely to purchase an estate, non-parliamentary contractors were just as likely to purchase rural property. [Richard] Oswald and John Trotter held large estates in Ayrshire and Surrey respectively…”
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“6 April at Baighrije (?)
“Alexander Trotter of Kettlesheil & Jean Stewart his lady an child Bap: N: John. Wit Sr John Stewart of Allanbank & John Trotter of Morton hall & Mt John Trotter doctor of medicine”
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Purchased Horton Hanor (History of Surrey) around 1780.
In this History of Surrey he is referred to as an upholsterer but in the Topgraphy of Surrey he is said to be an army contractor. Both say he died in 1790, the latter in July.
In the Topography his previous address is down as "of Soho Square, London".
______________
From The National Archive’s Discovery database (kindly communicated by Steve Sanders):
PROPERTIES OF JOHN TROTTER IN EPSOM AND ELSEWHERE: DEEDS AND PAPERS
The following describes the contents of this collection in the Surrey History Centre archives. Find out more about how to see the original documents.
Ref No: 186
Repository: Surrey History Centre, Woking
Date: 1624-1896
Format: Archives
Admin History: Horton Manor, represented by 3 court rolls (186/1/1-3), first appears in these deeds as part of a large estate in the joint ownership of Sir John Lewkenor and Richard Evelyn by right of their respective wives, Anne and Elizabeth, daughters and coheiresses of George Mynne. Horton fell to the share of Elizabeth Evelyn and was left by her to Charles Calvert, 4th Lord Baltimore, a distant relative. With other property in Epsom and Ewell, Horton Manor was sold in 1768 by Frederick Calvert, 6th Lord Baltimore (after his abortive trial for rape at Kingston) to John Trotter, a Soho upholsterer, originally of Kettleshiels, Berwickshire (see Burke's Landed Gentry, 1952, Trotter of Brin). Trotter's grandson, another John Trotter, MP for West Surrey 1841-7, was the owner at the time these documents end.
The descent of various other properties is traced through the families of Parkhurst (of Gatesby, Northamptonshire), Edwards (of Epsom) and others. 3 court rolls of Bletchingley Manor (186/6/1-3) appear to have come from the Perkins family of Pendell, Bletchingley, by virtue of John Trotter's marriage with Maria, daughter of John Perkins of Pendell Court. Deeds and other documents relating to a half moiety of Nutfield Manor (186/7/1-76), formerly the property of William Aynscombe Burt, also came to Trotter through his wife, her brother, John Perkins, having purchased it in 1831 when Burt went bankrupt.
Level: Collection
Access Status: Open. There are no access restrictions
Provenance: Presented by Williams and James, solicitors of Gray's Inn, London, through the British Records Association (BRA nos.1047, 1062, 1073, 1153), in November 1965.
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As above John Trotter was an Upholsterer. Steve Sanders has unearthed his apprenticeship Indenture: In the top of the paper there is the handwritten date of 4 Feb 1745 which does not correspond with anything else on the document. The document reads:
[The full Achievement of the Joiners Company is shown in the top left of the Indenture]
[All handwriting is rendered here in italics]
This Indenture Witnesseth, That John Trotter son of Alexander Trotter of Kettleshiel in the Shire of Berwick in North Britain, gent doth put himself Apprentice to Henry Williams Citizen and JOYNER of London, to learn his art; and with him (after the manner of an Apprentice) to serve from the Day of the Date hereof unto the full end and term of of seven years, from thence next following to be fully compleat and ended: During which term, the said Apprentice his said Master faithfully shall serve, his secrets keep, his lawful Commandments every where gladly do. He shall do no damage to his said Master, nor see to be done of others, but that he to his Powere shall let, or forthwith give warning to his said Master of the same. He shall not waste the Goods of his said Master, nor lend them unlawfully to any. he shall not commit Fornication, nor contract Matrimony within the said term. He shall not play at Cards, Dice, Tables, or any other unlawful Games, whereby his said Master may have any loss. With his own Goods or others, during the said term, without Licence of his said Master, he shall neither buy nor sell. He shall not haunt Taverns or Play-Houses, nor absent himself from his Master’s service day nor night unlawfully: But in all things as a faithful Apprentice he shall behave himself towards his said Master, and all his, during the said Term. And the said Master, (in Consideration of the sum of Twenty One pound and Ten Shillings his said Apprentice, in the same Art which he useth, by the best means that he can, shall teach and instruct, or cause to be taught and instructed, finding unto his said Apprentice, Meat, Drink, Apparel, Lodging, and all other Necessaries, according to the Custom of the City of London, during the said term. And for the true performance of all and every the said Covenants and Agreements, either of the said Perties bind themselves unto the other by these Presents. In witness whereof, the Parties above-named to these Indentures interchangeably have put their Hands and Seals, the Twenty first day of March Anno Dom 1726 and in the Twentieth Year of the Reign of our Sovereign Lord George, King of Great-Britain, etc.
Signatures:
Sam: Robinson John Trotter
Seal: (illegible)
IN FACT: I am fairly sure that the sum paid was “Thirty One pounts and Ten Shillings” which happens to be exactly thirty guineas. TFPL. July 2018.
__________________
In “Merchants and the Military in Eighteenth Century Britain, British Army Contracts and Domesti Supply 1739-1763” Gordon E Bannerman writes of John Trotter:
On p. 69: “The most successful supplier of camp equipment was John Trotter, from 1754 described as an ‘Upholder’ in Thrift Street, Soho. Catalogues at his shop detailing horses for sale indicated that Trotter possessed a well-known business. Trotter’s contracting career spanned the Seven Years War and the American Revolution and he was considered an honest and reliable purveyor of quality products. During the Seven Years War, Trotter supplied tents, marquees, knapsacks, and gaiters. These products were not bound by geographical constraints, and Trotter was able to supply regiments in North America, Germany and Britain.”
On p. 86: “The supplier of camp equipage, Trotter, established a contracting dynasty. From 1794 his son supplied practically all non-perishable military supplies. With the central base at his factory in Soho Square, the business comprised some 109 depots in 1807. Trotter stored articles such as blankets and tents at the end of each conflict, and reissued them to the army when needed, thus undercutting regimental agents and contractors by peacetime purchasing. Yet with no definite agreement, and Trotter fixing his own prices and charging 10 per cent profit, objections were raised over the propriety of the provision, issue and custody of articles belonging to the same man. These objections were removed by returning to open contracting and converting Trotter’s business into the Store Keeper General’s Department with custody of all military stores, except the Ordnance.”
On p. 132: “Although less likely to purchase an estate, non-parliamentary contractors were just as likely to purchase rural property. [Richard] Oswald and John Trotter held large estates in Ayrshire and Surrey respectively…”
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Notes for John & Ann (Family)
The marriage register transcript:
Role Groom
Record set Kent Marriages And Banns
First name(s) John
Last name Trotter
Marriage year 1752
Spouse's first name(s) An
Spouse's last name Betts
County Kent
Country England
Place Charlton by Greenwich, St Luke
Residence St An Westminster MDX
Marriage date 18 Jun 1752
Supplier Kent Family History Society
Record source West Kent Marriage Index, Charlton marriages 1562-1812
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Who were these two?
Faculty Office Marriage Licences Transcription
First name(s) JOHN
Last name TROTTER
Licence year 1752
Licence date 12 Jun 1752
New calender date 12 Jun 1752
Bride's first name(s) Anne
Bride's last name BETTS
Groom's first name(s) John
Groom's last name TROTTER
Place Dioceses of England & Wales
Record set Faculty Office Marriage Licences
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
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The (visible) wording of the photocopy of the Marriage licence is:
[Date, invisible, above is 12 Jun 1752]
“On which day appeared personally John Trotter of the parish of St Anne Westminster in the County of Middlesex Batchelor aged above thirty years and alledged that he intends to marry with Anne Betts of the same Parish Spinster aged above twenty one years and ----------------
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No knowing of believing any lawful Let or Impediment by reason of any Precontract, Consanguinity, affinity or any other lawful means whatsoever to hinder the said intended marriage. Of the trusth of the promisission (?) he made Oath and prayed Licence to solemnise this marriagein the parish church of St Anne aforesaid, St Gregory London, of (Mordaunt College stuck out) in the chapel called Sir John Mordon’s Chapel on Black Heath in the County of Kent.
[signed} John Trotter
Sworn before me
Artht Collect
Surrogate”
[No clue therein as to Anne Betts’ parentage.]
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And their marriage is on Family Search and FindMyPast:
John Trotter
mentioned in the record of John Trotter and Ann Betts
Name: John Trotter
Spouse's Name: Ann Betts
Event Date: 18 Jun 1752
Event Place: Saint Luke,Old Charlton,Kent,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01551-2 ,
System Origin: England-ODM ,
GS Film number: 942.23 C3 K29CH
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The text of the Marriage Licence shows him to be of St Anne’s Westminster parish.
It is just possible that she was a widow, had married a Betts but was born Lock or Loch. But the marriage licence said she was a spinster.
It is as likely that she was the illegitimate daughter of James Lock and Anne Betts senior.
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Steve Sanders provided this information:
“From the Burney Newspaper
Collection, there is a report from the 6/23-25/1752 *London Evening Post* that
says John Trotter, Upholder and Cabinet-maker, of Frith Street, Soho
married Miss Betts, an agreeable young lady with a fortune of L5,000. This
is quite curious as all genealogy says he married Ann Locke. Ancestry.com
does record the marriage to Ann Betts on 18 June 1752 at Saint Luke, Old
Charlton, Kent. Furthermore, John Trotter bound an apprentice named Samuel
Betts in 1754, presumably a relative of Ann Betts.”
And, at last downloaded from FindMyPast, from the Salisbury and Winchester Journal of the 29 June 1752:
“A few days since was married at Mordaunt [sic] College, Black-Heath, Mr John Trotter, an eminent Cabinetmaker and Upholder, in Frith Street, St Ann’s, Soho, to Muss Berts [sic], an agreeable young lady with a Fortune of Five Thousand Pounds.”
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And Brian Bouchard found that James Lock’s will included provision for support for an Ann Betts for the rest of her life and also for Samuel Betts, a minor and an apprentice to John Trotter, presumably his and Ann Betts’ son. This clearly indicates that the father of the bride here, Ann Betts junior, was James Lock, as stated by her children in their report to the Lyon King of Arms and then in the various reports in Burkes Landed Gentry.
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Role Groom
Record set Kent Marriages And Banns
First name(s) John
Last name Trotter
Marriage year 1752
Spouse's first name(s) An
Spouse's last name Betts
County Kent
Country England
Place Charlton by Greenwich, St Luke
Residence St An Westminster MDX
Marriage date 18 Jun 1752
Supplier Kent Family History Society
Record source West Kent Marriage Index, Charlton marriages 1562-1812
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Who were these two?
Faculty Office Marriage Licences Transcription
First name(s) JOHN
Last name TROTTER
Licence year 1752
Licence date 12 Jun 1752
New calender date 12 Jun 1752
Bride's first name(s) Anne
Bride's last name BETTS
Groom's first name(s) John
Groom's last name TROTTER
Place Dioceses of England & Wales
Record set Faculty Office Marriage Licences
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
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The (visible) wording of the photocopy of the Marriage licence is:
[Date, invisible, above is 12 Jun 1752]
“On which day appeared personally John Trotter of the parish of St Anne Westminster in the County of Middlesex Batchelor aged above thirty years and alledged that he intends to marry with Anne Betts of the same Parish Spinster aged above twenty one years and ----------------
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No knowing of believing any lawful Let or Impediment by reason of any Precontract, Consanguinity, affinity or any other lawful means whatsoever to hinder the said intended marriage. Of the trusth of the promisission (?) he made Oath and prayed Licence to solemnise this marriagein the parish church of St Anne aforesaid, St Gregory London, of (Mordaunt College stuck out) in the chapel called Sir John Mordon’s Chapel on Black Heath in the County of Kent.
[signed} John Trotter
Sworn before me
Artht Collect
Surrogate”
[No clue therein as to Anne Betts’ parentage.]
_______________
And their marriage is on Family Search and FindMyPast:
John Trotter
mentioned in the record of John Trotter and Ann Betts
Name: John Trotter
Spouse's Name: Ann Betts
Event Date: 18 Jun 1752
Event Place: Saint Luke,Old Charlton,Kent,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01551-2 ,
System Origin: England-ODM ,
GS Film number: 942.23 C3 K29CH
________________
The text of the Marriage Licence shows him to be of St Anne’s Westminster parish.
It is just possible that she was a widow, had married a Betts but was born Lock or Loch. But the marriage licence said she was a spinster.
It is as likely that she was the illegitimate daughter of James Lock and Anne Betts senior.
________________
Steve Sanders provided this information:
“From the Burney Newspaper
Collection, there is a report from the 6/23-25/1752 *London Evening Post* that
says John Trotter, Upholder and Cabinet-maker, of Frith Street, Soho
married Miss Betts, an agreeable young lady with a fortune of L5,000. This
is quite curious as all genealogy says he married Ann Locke. Ancestry.com
does record the marriage to Ann Betts on 18 June 1752 at Saint Luke, Old
Charlton, Kent. Furthermore, John Trotter bound an apprentice named Samuel
Betts in 1754, presumably a relative of Ann Betts.”
And, at last downloaded from FindMyPast, from the Salisbury and Winchester Journal of the 29 June 1752:
“A few days since was married at Mordaunt [sic] College, Black-Heath, Mr John Trotter, an eminent Cabinetmaker and Upholder, in Frith Street, St Ann’s, Soho, to Muss Berts [sic], an agreeable young lady with a Fortune of Five Thousand Pounds.”
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And Brian Bouchard found that James Lock’s will included provision for support for an Ann Betts for the rest of her life and also for Samuel Betts, a minor and an apprentice to John Trotter, presumably his and Ann Betts’ son. This clearly indicates that the father of the bride here, Ann Betts junior, was James Lock, as stated by her children in their report to the Lyon King of Arms and then in the various reports in Burkes Landed Gentry.
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