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NameGeorge Platt 
[19, Marriage of dau. Mary on 6 Dec 1846 at St Peter’s, Stoke upon Trent, Staffs], [4, 1941 ref: HO107, piece 990, book 7, folio 17, p. 27]
[19, Marriage of dau. Mary on 6 Dec 1846 at St Peter’s, Stoke upon Trent, Staffs], [4, 1941 ref: HO107, piece 990, book 7, folio 17, p. 27]Birthca 1811, Staffs
Death1849, Wolstanton district, Staffs
GeneralPotter.
Spouses
1Louisa Bryan [19, From the baptism record of her daughter Mary on 6 Jun 1830 in Stoke], [19, Baptism, with birth, on 10 Apr 1808 at St Peter Ad Vincula, Stoke on Trent], [19, Image of marriage page of Burslem register for 28 Sep 1829], [4, 1941 ref: HO107, piece 990, book 7, folio 17, p. 27], [4, 1861 ref: RG09, piece 1928, folio 83, p. 1], [3, Death, Q1 of 1881, Stoke on Trent dist, vol 6B, p. 107]
[19, From the baptism record of her daughter Mary on 6 Jun 1830 in Stoke], [19, Baptism, with birth, on 10 Apr 1808 at St Peter Ad Vincula, Stoke on Trent], [19, Image of marriage page of Burslem register for 28 Sep 1829], [4, 1941 ref: HO107, piece 990, book 7, folio 17, p. 27], [4, 1861 ref: RG09, piece 1928, folio 83, p. 1], [3, Death, Q1 of 1881, Stoke on Trent dist, vol 6B, p. 107]FatherSamuel Bryan
MotherAnn Barlow
Marriage28 Sep 1829, Burslem parish church, Staffs [19, Image of marriage page of Burslem register for 28 Sep 1829]
Notes for George Platt
There are a few baptisms from 1793 to 1813 in Staffordshire:
29 Mar 1800: George Platt, son of Samuel & Jane, born Dec 3d 1800. Darlaston St Lawrence, Staffs.
10 Nov 1799: George Platt, son of Thomas & Elizabeth, born 26 Oct. Audley, St James the Great, Staffs.
15 Oct 1809: George Platt, son of George & Sarah, born 21 Sep. Audley, St James the Great, Staffs.
I have no idea which, if any, might be his.
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There are a couple of baptisms for children of George and Louisa on FindMyPast:
Name
Last First Year Record set Location
Platt Mary 1830 E & W Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms Stoke upon Trent, Staffs
Platt Sarah Ann 1838 Staffordshire Baptisms Stoke on Trent,
St Peter Ad Vincula, Staffs
“E & W” = England & Wales
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In 1841 the family was at Northwood, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire and they had two sons in addition to the above two baptised girls:
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
George Platt M 30 1811 Staffordshire
Louisa Platt F 30 1811 Staffordshire
Mary Platt F 13 1828 Staffordshire
George Platt M 6 1835 Staffordshire
Sarah Platt F 4 1837 Staffordshire
Herbert Platt M 0 1841 Staffordshire
Ref:
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 990
Book number 7
Folio number 17
Page number 27
Combined: 1941 ref: HO107, piece 990, book 7, folio 17, p. 27
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In 1851 George had died and his wife had all her children plus Mary’s husband and their children living with her. The apparently youngest child was 4 in 1951 so George was still alive in c.1846. But there had been a later birth shown in the GRO index for Q2 of 1949, so George must have survived until the end of 1848. The 1851 census is in detail in George Rowe’s Misc Notes.
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FreeBMD and FindMyPast both show two George Platt deaths, without ages, in Wolstanton district and both in 1849. This is the district the family were in in 1851. The GRO index site says one was 41 and the other 43 and both of these tie in with the age latitude given for the 1841 census. We have no better information unless I order the death certificate.
The GRO deaths for George Platt were, with an earlier one:
Name: Age at Death (in years):
PLATT, GEORGE 63
GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 207
PLATT, GEORGE 41
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 222
PLATT, GEORGE 43
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 215
I need to find which George Platts were around Burslem in the 1841 census near Burslem.
There were three such George Platts:
One was born c. 1808 and had a wife Mary with children William, Eliza, Mary and John in Wolstanton.
The second was b. c. 1811, had a wife Eliza and children Mary, Eliza and Emma in Burslem.
The third was b. c. 1811, had a wife Louisa and children Mary, George, Sarah and Herbert in Stoke on Trent.
Families with a husband of George Platt in the 1841 census, born from 1805 to 1825 and within a few miles of Burslem
George Spouse Spouse in 1851
Birth Name Birth Children Location Husband? Location Children
1808 Mary 1807 William, Eliza, Mary, John Wolstanton Fully alive Wolstanton Wm, Elz, Jhn, Ann, Ench, Isk
1811 Louisa 1811 Mary, George, Sarah, Herbert Stoke on Trent No, widow Burslem Geo, Sar, Mrth, Hart, Mry
1811 Eliza 1811 Mary, Eliza and Emma Burslem Not seen Wolstanton Mry, Elz, Emm, Hy, Eliz, Han
1821 not married
1822 not married
1822 not married
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Their children:
Name Birth Bapt 1841 1851 1861 1871 Death Marriage
Mary Platt 1830 1830 Y 1831 Y 1841 1881 Rowe in 1846
George Platt N N 1835 1836 1836
Sarah Ann Platt N 1838 1837 1838 - Blunt in 1863
or Mountford in 1869
or Larney or Myatt in 1872
Herbert Platt N N 1841 - - - 1842
Martha Platt 1845 1845 1845 Knight in 1868
Harriet Platt 1847 - 1851
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To get a full review of their children, the first question is whether any other marriages of Platt and Bryan had happened in the area.
There were no GRO marriages between Platt and Bryan on GRO from 1837 to 1847,
though in 1844 an Ellen Platt married one of four people, one of whom was Henry Brown.
There was a Faculty marriage licence of John Platt and Sarah Bryan, but no place specified.
There were 238 parish marriages with one Platt between 1820 and 1840 in Staffs.
There was one parish marriage of Platt and Byan between 1820 and 1840 in Staffs, but that is this marriage.
Their children’s GRO records with a Platt surname and mother’s maiden name of Bryan or Byan in Wolstanton district:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
PLATT, ABSALOM BRYAN
GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 260
PLATT, MARTHA BRYAN
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 279
PLATT, HARRIET BRYAN
GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 284
PLATT, SOPHIA BRYAN
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 319
And GRO deaths that matched any of the above birth information:
Name: Age at Death (in years):
PLATT, HERBERT 0
GRO Reference: 1842 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 222
PLATT, ABSALOM 0
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 223
PLATT, SOPHIA 1
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 17 Page 188
PLATT, HARRIETT 4
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 17 Page 212
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Let’s make a summary of all the births and the sources:
Birth Died as child
Yr Sub-Yr Name Source Location Date Location
1830 30 Apr Mary Baptism, non-conformist Stoke on Trent
1835 George 1841 census Staffs
1838 <17 Apr Sarah Ann Baptism. prob CoE Stoke upon Trent
1841 Herbert 1941 census Staffs 1842 Q1 Wolstanton
1843 Q2 Absalom GRO Wolstanton 1844 Q1 Wolstanton
1845 Q1 Martha GRO Wolstanton
1847 Q2 Harriet GRO Wolstanton 1851 Q2 Wolstanton
1849 Q3 Sophia GRO Wolstanton 1850 Q3 Wolstanton
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29 Mar 1800: George Platt, son of Samuel & Jane, born Dec 3d 1800. Darlaston St Lawrence, Staffs.
10 Nov 1799: George Platt, son of Thomas & Elizabeth, born 26 Oct. Audley, St James the Great, Staffs.
15 Oct 1809: George Platt, son of George & Sarah, born 21 Sep. Audley, St James the Great, Staffs.
I have no idea which, if any, might be his.
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There are a couple of baptisms for children of George and Louisa on FindMyPast:
Name
Last First Year Record set Location
Platt Mary 1830 E & W Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms Stoke upon Trent, Staffs
Platt Sarah Ann 1838 Staffordshire Baptisms Stoke on Trent,
St Peter Ad Vincula, Staffs
“E & W” = England & Wales
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In 1841 the family was at Northwood, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire and they had two sons in addition to the above two baptised girls:
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
George Platt M 30 1811 Staffordshire
Louisa Platt F 30 1811 Staffordshire
Mary Platt F 13 1828 Staffordshire
George Platt M 6 1835 Staffordshire
Sarah Platt F 4 1837 Staffordshire
Herbert Platt M 0 1841 Staffordshire
Ref:
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 990
Book number 7
Folio number 17
Page number 27
Combined: 1941 ref: HO107, piece 990, book 7, folio 17, p. 27
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In 1851 George had died and his wife had all her children plus Mary’s husband and their children living with her. The apparently youngest child was 4 in 1951 so George was still alive in c.1846. But there had been a later birth shown in the GRO index for Q2 of 1949, so George must have survived until the end of 1848. The 1851 census is in detail in George Rowe’s Misc Notes.
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FreeBMD and FindMyPast both show two George Platt deaths, without ages, in Wolstanton district and both in 1849. This is the district the family were in in 1851. The GRO index site says one was 41 and the other 43 and both of these tie in with the age latitude given for the 1841 census. We have no better information unless I order the death certificate.
The GRO deaths for George Platt were, with an earlier one:
Name: Age at Death (in years):
PLATT, GEORGE 63
GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 207
PLATT, GEORGE 41
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 222
PLATT, GEORGE 43
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 215
I need to find which George Platts were around Burslem in the 1841 census near Burslem.
There were three such George Platts:
One was born c. 1808 and had a wife Mary with children William, Eliza, Mary and John in Wolstanton.
The second was b. c. 1811, had a wife Eliza and children Mary, Eliza and Emma in Burslem.
The third was b. c. 1811, had a wife Louisa and children Mary, George, Sarah and Herbert in Stoke on Trent.
Families with a husband of George Platt in the 1841 census, born from 1805 to 1825 and within a few miles of Burslem
George Spouse Spouse in 1851
Birth Name Birth Children Location Husband? Location Children
1808 Mary 1807 William, Eliza, Mary, John Wolstanton Fully alive Wolstanton Wm, Elz, Jhn, Ann, Ench, Isk
1811 Louisa 1811 Mary, George, Sarah, Herbert Stoke on Trent No, widow Burslem Geo, Sar, Mrth, Hart, Mry
1811 Eliza 1811 Mary, Eliza and Emma Burslem Not seen Wolstanton Mry, Elz, Emm, Hy, Eliz, Han
1821 not married
1822 not married
1822 not married
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Their children:
Name Birth Bapt 1841 1851 1861 1871 Death Marriage
Mary Platt 1830 1830 Y 1831 Y 1841 1881 Rowe in 1846
George Platt N N 1835 1836 1836
Sarah Ann Platt N 1838 1837 1838 - Blunt in 1863
or Mountford in 1869
or Larney or Myatt in 1872
Herbert Platt N N 1841 - - - 1842
Martha Platt 1845 1845 1845 Knight in 1868
Harriet Platt 1847 - 1851
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To get a full review of their children, the first question is whether any other marriages of Platt and Bryan had happened in the area.
There were no GRO marriages between Platt and Bryan on GRO from 1837 to 1847,
though in 1844 an Ellen Platt married one of four people, one of whom was Henry Brown.
There was a Faculty marriage licence of John Platt and Sarah Bryan, but no place specified.
There were 238 parish marriages with one Platt between 1820 and 1840 in Staffs.
There was one parish marriage of Platt and Byan between 1820 and 1840 in Staffs, but that is this marriage.
Their children’s GRO records with a Platt surname and mother’s maiden name of Bryan or Byan in Wolstanton district:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
PLATT, ABSALOM BRYAN
GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 260
PLATT, MARTHA BRYAN
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 279
PLATT, HARRIET BRYAN
GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 284
PLATT, SOPHIA BRYAN
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 319
And GRO deaths that matched any of the above birth information:
Name: Age at Death (in years):
PLATT, HERBERT 0
GRO Reference: 1842 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 222
PLATT, ABSALOM 0
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON AND BURSLEM UNION Volume 17 Page 223
PLATT, SOPHIA 1
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 17 Page 188
PLATT, HARRIETT 4
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 17 Page 212
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Let’s make a summary of all the births and the sources:
Birth Died as child
Yr Sub-Yr Name Source Location Date Location
1830 30 Apr Mary Baptism, non-conformist Stoke on Trent
1835 George 1841 census Staffs
1838 <17 Apr Sarah Ann Baptism. prob CoE Stoke upon Trent
1841 Herbert 1941 census Staffs 1842 Q1 Wolstanton
1843 Q2 Absalom GRO Wolstanton 1844 Q1 Wolstanton
1845 Q1 Martha GRO Wolstanton
1847 Q2 Harriet GRO Wolstanton 1851 Q2 Wolstanton
1849 Q3 Sophia GRO Wolstanton 1850 Q3 Wolstanton
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Notes for George & Louisa (Family)
The image of the page of the marriage register, transcribed by me:
“ Page 52.
“MARRIAGES solemnized in the parish of Burslem
“ in the County of Stafford in the Year 1829
“. . . .
“ George Platt of this Parish
“ Batchelor & Potter
“ and Louisa Byan of this Parish
“ spinster
“ were married in this Church by Banns with Consent of
“ this Twenty Eighth Day of
“ September in the Year On thousand eight hundred and Twenty Nine
“ By me J Bateman Curate
“ This Marriage was solemnized between us George Platt’s X Mark Louisa Byan’s X Mark
“ In the Presence of Levi Jarvis’ X Mark Bagnall Birch
“ No 155.
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Unfortunately this early marriage format does not have information for the fathers of each of the couple.
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“ Page 52.
“MARRIAGES solemnized in the parish of Burslem
“ in the County of Stafford in the Year 1829
“. . . .
“ George Platt of this Parish
“ Batchelor & Potter
“ and Louisa Byan of this Parish
“ spinster
“ were married in this Church by Banns with Consent of
“ this Twenty Eighth Day of
“ September in the Year On thousand eight hundred and Twenty Nine
“ By me J Bateman Curate
“ This Marriage was solemnized between us George Platt’s X Mark Louisa Byan’s X Mark
“ In the Presence of Levi Jarvis’ X Mark Bagnall Birch
“ No 155.
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Unfortunately this early marriage format does not have information for the fathers of each of the couple.
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