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Birthca Jul 1771, Wellington, Shropshire
Baptism2 Aug 1771, Wellington, Shropshire
Death14 Dec 1856, Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia
Burial20 Dec 1856, Liverpool, New South Wales, Australia
General2nd s. Curate in Bradford, vicar in New South Wales, Australia. Supported Aboriginals.
EducationSt Edmund Hall, Oxford: matric 1802.
FatherThomas Cartwright (1741-1779)
MotherPenelope Powys (ca1739-1814)
Notes for Rev Robert Cartwright
m. (1) (1796) Mary Boardman, (2) (1838) Isabella Waddell of Collector, New South Wales.

His baptismal index on FindMyPast ex Family Search:

First name(s) Rob
Last name Cartwright
Gender Male
Baptism year 1771
Baptism date 02 Aug 1771
Place Wellington
County Shropshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Cartwright
Mother's first name(s) Penelope
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
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His entry in Foster’s Alumni Oxoniensis:

“Cartwright, Robert, s. Thomas, of Wellington, Salop, gent. St Edmund hall, matric 2 Dec 1802, aged 30.”

There is no record of his graduation.
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The Clergy of the Church of England Database quotes the above record by Foster, gives his ID on their Database as 87989 and adds these three records:

1. Ordination as Deacon:

CLERIC DETAIL
  Surname Cartwright
  Forename Robert
  Title
  Qualification
  University Oxford
  College St Edmund Hall
  Year
EVENT TYPE
  Type ordination
  Date 13/7/1806
  Place Bishopthorpe Palace
  Church Chapel
  Clerical Status deacon
  Letters Dimissory No
  Comment
OTHER INFORMATION
  Source BI Inst. AB 17 (Act Book)
  Bishop Markham, William/York 1777-1807

2. Ordination Letters dimissory: (letter to transfer him from one diocese to another)

CLERIC DETAIL
  Surname Cartwright
  Forename Robert
  Title
  Qualification lit.
  University
  College
  Year
EVENT TYPE
  Type letters dimissory
  Date 6/1/1809
  Place
  Church
  Clerical Status priest
  Letters Dimissory No
  Comment
OTHER INFORMATION
  Source BI Inst. AB 17 (Act Book)
  Bishop Vernon (Harcourt), Edward Venables/York 1808-1847
  Ordaining Bishop Pelham, George/Exeter 1807-1820
  Ordaining bishop: Exeter
  Date of Ordination: not given

3. Ordination, priest:

CLERIC DETAIL
  Surname Cartwright
  Forename Robert
  Title
  Qualification
  University Oxford
  College St. Edmund Hall
  Year
EVENT TYPE
  Type ordination
  Date 12/3/1809
  Place London
  Church
  Clerical Status priest
  Letters Dimissory No
  Comment
OTHER INFORMATION
  Source Devon RO, Chanter 715 (Ordination Register)
  Bishop Pelham, George/Exeter 1807-1820
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A search was made on FamilySearch for all Christenings of children of Robert and mary Cartwright in England between 1796 (when they married) and 1810 (when they are said to have arrived in Australia).  This produced over a hundred possibles.

From this list of 100 or so, all children without a named father were removed.  This brought the number down to 20.

Some of the entries were repeats of others,  The repeats were deleted.  This left 9 christenings.

Of the 9 remaining christenings, one, in Warrington, Lancs, was for a date before marriage; this was eliminated as it was probably for another family.  Another, aslo in Warrington, was eliminated as the date was a mere three months before the following christening, in Bradford; it too was very probably for another family.  This left 7 christenings.

These seven christenings are the candidates for the English children of Robert and Mary Cartwright.  The first child is strongly theirs as the second forename is in fact Mary’s maiden surname, the birth of James Boardman Cartwright.  The candidate list is:

Full_name Gender Birth_date Chr_date  Chr_place_text  Father_full_name  Mother_full_name

James Boardman Cartwright M 27 Mar 1797 15 Aug 1797  St. Peters, Manchester, Lancaster  Robert Cartwright Mary
Anne Cartwright F --  24 Nov 1800 St. James' Church, Manchester, Lancashire  Robet Cartwright  Mary
Mary Vanzuylen Cartwright F 28 Aug 1802 24 Oct 1802  Ringway, Cheshire  Robert Cartwright  Mary
Elizabeth Cartwright F 18 Feb 1804 25 Mar 1804  Ringway, Cheshire  Robert Cartwright  Mary
Richard Cornelius Cartwright M 14 Jan 1806 30 May 1806  SAINT JAMES,MANCHESTER,LANCASHIRE  Robt. Cartwright Mary
Thomas Cartwright M 12 Feb 1808 27 Feb 1808  BRADFORD,YORK  Robert Cartwright  Mary
John Cartwright M --  2 Apr 1809 BRADFORD,YORK  Robert Cartwright  Mary

The movements of this presumed family around the country is worth noting:

Two births over four years in Manchester, Lancs,
Two births over three years in Ringway, Cheshire,
One birth back in Manchester over perhaps two years,
Two births in Bradford, Yorks over two years.

To this history must be added the matriculation at St Edmund Hall, Oxford in December 1802 and his three ordination events between 1806 and 1809.
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He is said to have travelled to Australia in August 1809, arriving in Feb 1810.  This agrees with the above baptism date of Robert in Bradford of 2 Apr 1909.

After arrival in Australia, the following baptisms were recorded of children of Robert and Mary Cartwright, with no occupation listed for Robert:

Name Born Baptised Where

William 2 Oct 1811 13 Nov 1811 St M., Windsor, A.
Mary 21 May 1814 15 Aug 1814 St M., Windsor, D.
Robert Marsden 30 May 1815 10 Oct 1815 St M., Windsor, D
Jane catherine 11 Jul 1816 3 Sep 1816 St M., Windsor, D.
Charles 14 Sep 1817 25 Mar 1818 Windsor

I have obtained certificates for each of these.  All I can say is that, with the baptisms all in the same place, it is very likely they were all his children.
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Between the 7 baptisms in England and 5 in Australia, this is a total of 12 children for Robert and Mary.  The author of Robert’s article in the Australian Dictionary of Biography says they had 11 children.  Possibly one of my list is false or even died in England, so that only 11 were known to the Australians.  Anyhow, I am going to give them all 12 of these baptisms.

He married Isabella Wardell in 1838, for which I have the certificate.

There was no baptism or registration record for any children of this marriage, but there is a clear death record for one child who had it listed on that certificate that her parents were “Robert Cartwright Clergyman and Isabella Wardell (maiden name)”.

Name Born Death Where

Isabella Cartwright c. 1844 19 Jul 1860 Collector, [N.S.W.]

The registration was registered by John J Waddell, her uncle.
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His death certificate:

Issued by: New South Wales
Cart No: 74
Death date: 14th December 1856
Death place: Montegreft, Goulbaru
Name: Robert cartwright
Occupation: Clergyman of the Church of England
Sex: M
Age: 86
Casue of death: Old Age
His father: ... Cartwright, Surgeon
His mother: {unknown)
Informant: Rich’d Cartwright, Son, Wuidelarne (?)

Other cert information

Registration: 16th December 1856, Goulburn
Burial: 20th December 1856, Liverpool [N.S.W.], undertake: R Craig
Minister Charles Forthdiddle(?) Church of England;
Burial witness: John J Waddell
Birth+migration: Manchester, England, 45 years in N.S.W.
Marriage: Manchester at about the age of 30. [1st marriage, info by son who was born in UK]
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Mon Inscripts notes for Rev Robert Cartwright
Cemetery: Liverpool Pioneer Park Cemetery, NSW, Australia

Note: Sacred to the Memory
Of
The Revd. Robert Cartwright
Many Years Minister of
St. Luke’s Church
Born 1771 – Died 1856
Also his wife
Mary
Born 1771 – Died 1835
Also their daughter
Penelope
Born May 1822
Died June 1822
Also two infant children
Of Richard & Anne Sadler [sic – should read “Sadleir”]
Awaiting The Resurrection Day.
Restored by
W. J. Cartwright
Temora
Grandson of
Rev. Robt. Cartwright
May 1924.

On some copies of the image of the memorial stone, the death dates of both Robert and his first wife Mary are illegible and get various different mistranscriptions.  This is not a problem for him as I have, separately a copy of his death/burial entry, but I have not found such for mary so am not certain of her death year.
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DNB Main notes for Rev Robert Cartwright
Cartwright, Robert (1771–1856)
by K. J. Cable


Robert Cartwright (1771-1856), Church of England clergyman, was born in December 1771, a son of Thomas Cartwright, gentleman, of Wellington, Shropshire, England. His mother was related to the Powis family of Powys Castle and other prominent border families. Cartwright travelled in eastern Europe before taking holy orders in 1794, and marrying Mary Boardman in 1796. He was curate for fourteen years at Bradford, a vigorous Evangelical centre. There, 'he and his family resided in a very comfortable manner and [were] much respected by the principal Inhabitants'. In 1802 Cartwright matriculated at Oxford and enrolled at St Edmund Hall but did not proceed to a degree. In 1808 when Samuel Marsden visited Bradford and represented the need for chaplains in New South Wales, Cartwright with some reluctance consented to go out. He was commissioned on 5 January 1809, sailed with his wife and six children in the convict transport Anne in August, and arrived in Sydney with Marsden on 27 February 1810.

Cartwright, on a salary of £240, was appointed to the Hawkesbury; on 2 December Governor Lachlan Macquarie, laying out townships in the region, 'attended Divine Service … at the temporary church at the Green Hills, where the Revd. Mr Robert Cartwright, the Chaplain of this district, gave us a most excellent discourse and read prayers extremely well indeed'. The new town of Windsor then became the centre of Cartwright's extensive chaplaincy. He was an energetic and popular minister. He avoided public controversy, held aloof from official disputes and only with reluctance accepted a magistracy; but he had to give an opinion on Jeffery Hart Bent's imprisoning of William Broughton and on Sunday musters, and agreed with Macquarie on both occasions. Unfortunately he found his work hampered by inadequate church and parsonage facilities and began to get into financial difficulties. In 1818, owing to the shortage of clergy, Macquarie had refused him permission to go to England after his wife had had to return, but in 1819, before the new church of St Matthew at Windsor was completed, he was transferred to Liverpool 'at his own particular and earnest request.'

His interests were not solely parochial. He accompanied Macquarie to the 'New Country' in October 1820 and preached the first sermon near Lake Bathurst, 'strongly impressing the justice, good policy, and expediency of civilizing the aborigines … and settling them in townships'. Already, Cartwright had shown his concern for the Aboriginals' welfare when he had advocated their settlement in a special township, with allotments for the adults, and workshops and schools for the children. This elaborate plan, even in a poetic version, gained only a polite reception from the government, but he had enunciated some important principles of Aboriginal welfare policy. He hoped to become the settlement's chaplain and requested that his place at Liverpool be taken by his eldest son James, who was then at Cambridge but later became minister of the Jewish Episcopal Church, Bethnal Green. Meanwhile Cartwright's financial embarrassment continued and in January 1821 he sought relief from Earl Bathurst, who in September 1824 raised his salary to £300 and ordered that he be repaid for some past expenses. In 1825 Cartwright was induced to add to his duties the mastership of the Male Orphan School. In his four years of office he greatly improved the school and won the commendation of Archdeacon Thomas Scott.

Late in 1836 Cartwright left Liverpool to become incumbent of St James's, Sydney. His health and experience did not fit him well for a church which was the bishop's temporary cathedral and the place of worship for many important people, and his tenure was undistinguished. He had intended to return to England at the end of it, but in March 1838 secured instead a licence for the southern districts generally. Here he began a remarkable ministry in an extended and sparsely-populated area, carrying out a task for which his evangelistic talents admirably equipped him. At first his chief centre was Yass, but later he lived at Arkstone Forest near Burrowa, and then at Collector where he built a church on his own land. Here he made his headquarters; the area developed into the parishes of Queanbeyan, Yass, Canberra, Tumut and Albury in his lifetime and a number of others soon afterwards. In 1855, when Bishop Frederic Barker confirmed one of Cartwright's flock who had once been a noted bushranger, Mrs Barker found Cartwright 'a venerable, apostolic man aged eighty-six … He has stood up for Evangelical truth amid many adverse elements … The only sign of age he shows is being very deaf, but he is as shrewd and clear in mind as ever he was'.

His first wife, by whom he had eleven children, had died in 1835 and was buried at Liverpool. He died on 14 December 1856 at Goulburn, and was buried near his former church at Liverpool, survived by his second wife, Isabella Waddell of Collector.

Cartwright won the good opinion of his contemporaries throughout his long and active life. He retained a simple Evangelical faith, with a strong humanitarian and missionary sense. Since he avoided secular commitments and ecclesiastical controversies, he played little part in public affairs. To him there seemed more important work to be done.

Select Bibliography
Historical Records of Australia, series 1, vols 10-12
• R. T. Wyatt, The History of the Diocese of Goulburn (Syd, 1937)
• K. J. Cable, ‘St James' Church, King Street, Sydney’, Journal and Proceedings (Royal Australian Historical Society), vol 50, part 4, Oct 1964, pp 241-61, vol 50, part 5, Nov 1964, pp 346-74 and vol 50, part 6, Dec 1964, pp 433-52
Sydney Morning Herald, 23 Dec 1856.

This article was first published in hardcopy in Australian Dictionary of Biography, Volume 1, (MUP), 1966
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Notes for Robert & Mary (Family)
The Transcript marriage Licence (handwriting is in italics) - scan of original in my possession:

“Know all Men by these Presents, that we Robert Cartwright of the Town & Parish of Manchester in the Com of Lancaster Gentleman & James Boardman of the same place, Genttleman are holden and firmly bound unto the Right Reverend Father in God William by Divine Permission, Lord Bishop of Chester in the Sum of Five hundred Pounds, of good and lawful Money of Great Britain, to be paid unto the said Right Reverend Father, his lawful Attorney, Executors, Administrators, or Assigns; to which Payment well and truly to be made, we bind ourselves and each of us severally for and in the whole, our Heirs, Executors and Administrators, and the Hiers, Executors and Administrators, of each of use firmly by these Presents.  Sealed with our Seals, and dayted the thirteenth Day of May in the thirty sixth Year of the Reign of our Sovereign Lord George King ot Great Britain, France and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, and in the Year of our Lord God, One Thousand Seven Hundred and Ninety six.

“The Condition of this Obligation is such, that if the above-bounden Robert Cartwright Bachelor & Mary [?May] Boardman Spinster & minor now licences to be married together, be neither of Consanguinity, or Affinity, the one to the other, within the Degrees prohibited for marriage: If also there be no let of Impediment, by Reason of any Precontract, entered into before the Twenty-fifth Day of March, One Thousand Seven Hundred and Fifty Four, or any other lawful Cause whatsoever, but that they may be lawfully married together, both by the Laws of G O D, and this Land: Moreover, if the Persons, shole Content is recurred by Law in this Behalf, be thereunto agreeing: and Lastly, if the said Marriage be done and solemnized in such Manner, as in the Licence to them granted is Limitted: Then this Obligation to be void, or else to remain in full Force and Virtue.

Sealed and delivered }
  in the Presnece of }

John Griffith

   Robt Cartwright

      James Boardman
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Their marriage from Family Search:

Name Robt Cartwright
Spouse's Name Mary Boardman
Event Date 16 May 1796
Event Place Collegiate Church, Manchester, Lancashire

Indexing Project (Batch) Number I04347-9
System Origin England-EASy
GS Film number 1545576
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Notes for Robert & Isabella (Family)
Ther marriate registration:

Reference: 1979 Vol 22

Groom: Robert Cartwright of Yass, widower
Bride: Isabella Waddell of Arkston, spinster
When: 12 September 1838
Where: House of Mr Howelby
By: Banns
Minister: Willaim [sic] Sowerby
Witnesses: H. Howell of Arkstone,
Elizabeth Anne Hassall of Arkstone,
Mary Susanna Hassall of Arkstone
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