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NameThomas Cartwright 
[52, Their marriage on 8 Mar 1766 at Astbury, Cheshire], [52, Burial 24 Dec 1779 at Wroxeter, Shropshire.], [52, Baptism on 23 Oct 1741 at Wroxeter, Shropshire]
[52, Their marriage on 8 Mar 1766 at Astbury, Cheshire], [52, Burial 24 Dec 1779 at Wroxeter, Shropshire.], [52, Baptism on 23 Oct 1741 at Wroxeter, Shropshire]Birth5 Oct 1741, Wroxeter, Shropshire
Baptism23 Oct 1741, Wroxeter, Shropshire
DeathDec 1779, Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
Burial19 Dec 1779, Wroxeter, Shropshire
GeneralSurgeon - ‘Apothecary’ at marriage.
FatherRev Robert Cartwright (ca1696-1772)
MotherAnn Lyster
Spouses
FatherEdward Powys (1710-1769)
MotherCatherine Jelf (ca1714->1769)
Marriage8 Mar 1766, Astbury, Cheshire [52, Their marriage on 8 Mar 1766 at Astbury, Cheshire]
Notes for Thomas Cartwright
There are truly vast numbers of Thomas Cartwright baptisms, far too many to identify the records that are his. Perhaps there are some surgeon records, but I doubt it for that early.
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A possible baptism, but needing evidence to link him with this entry:
First name(s) Thomas
Last name Cartwright
Birth year 1741
Birth date 05 Oct 1741
Baptism year 1741
Baptism date 23 Oct 1741
Denomination Anglican
Place Wroxeter
Father's first name(s) Robert
Mother's first name(s) Ann
County Shropshire
Register type Composite
Register date range 1700-1748
Archive reference P318/A/1/2
Page 73
Record set Shropshire baptisms
The evidence that this is correct is the entry for the burial of Thomas at Wroxeter which stated that he was the son of Robert, late vicar of Wroxeter, and Ann Cartwright and aged 38 at his death in late 1779, making him born in 1741. Bingo!
The text in the parish register is:
“Thomas son of Robert Cartwright Clerk & Ann his wife born ye 5th was baptised 23d of October.” [1741]
The page was countersigned at its foot by “Robert Cartright Vicr” (and by the churchwardens).
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There is this inscription in Old St German’s church:
“To the memory to Thomas Cartwright, Esquire, Surgeon, nephew to Thomas Powys, Esq, of Berwick House near Shrewsbury, who departed this life on the 10 Sept 1820. In the 53 year of his age.” If related to this Thomas, then he might be a son. (Sounds v.interesting.)
From this site: <http://isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/famhist/mis/peel.htm>;
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Some internet sites give Thomas and Penelope a fourth daughter of Martha born in 1775 (the same year as Jane). I can find no record of any Martha daughter of Thomas and Penelope and assert that those sites should delete her from the list of children.
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His burial trancription:
First name(s) Thomas
Last name Cartwright
Birth year 1741
Death year 1779
Death date ? ? 1779
Age 38
Burial year 1779
Burial date 24 Dec 1779
Burial place Wroxeter
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Robert
Mother's first name(s) Ann
County Shropshire
Archive refererence P318/A/1/3
Page 33
Register type Baptism & Burial
Register date range 1748-1812
Record set Shropshire burials
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My trranscription of the burial register page:
“Thomas Cartwright son of Robert Cartwright late vicar of this Parish & Ann his wife, died at Denbigh and was buried in this parish December 24 [1779], aged 38 years.”
So he was born around 1841, his parents being Robert and Ann.
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A possible baptism, but needing evidence to link him with this entry:
First name(s) Thomas
Last name Cartwright
Birth year 1741
Birth date 05 Oct 1741
Baptism year 1741
Baptism date 23 Oct 1741
Denomination Anglican
Place Wroxeter
Father's first name(s) Robert
Mother's first name(s) Ann
County Shropshire
Register type Composite
Register date range 1700-1748
Archive reference P318/A/1/2
Page 73
Record set Shropshire baptisms
The evidence that this is correct is the entry for the burial of Thomas at Wroxeter which stated that he was the son of Robert, late vicar of Wroxeter, and Ann Cartwright and aged 38 at his death in late 1779, making him born in 1741. Bingo!
The text in the parish register is:
“Thomas son of Robert Cartwright Clerk & Ann his wife born ye 5th was baptised 23d of October.” [1741]
The page was countersigned at its foot by “Robert Cartright Vicr” (and by the churchwardens).
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There is this inscription in Old St German’s church:
“To the memory to Thomas Cartwright, Esquire, Surgeon, nephew to Thomas Powys, Esq, of Berwick House near Shrewsbury, who departed this life on the 10 Sept 1820. In the 53 year of his age.” If related to this Thomas, then he might be a son. (Sounds v.interesting.)
From this site: <http://isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/famhist/mis/peel.htm>;
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Some internet sites give Thomas and Penelope a fourth daughter of Martha born in 1775 (the same year as Jane). I can find no record of any Martha daughter of Thomas and Penelope and assert that those sites should delete her from the list of children.
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His burial trancription:
First name(s) Thomas
Last name Cartwright
Birth year 1741
Death year 1779
Death date ? ? 1779
Age 38
Burial year 1779
Burial date 24 Dec 1779
Burial place Wroxeter
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Robert
Mother's first name(s) Ann
County Shropshire
Archive refererence P318/A/1/3
Page 33
Register type Baptism & Burial
Register date range 1748-1812
Record set Shropshire burials
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My trranscription of the burial register page:
“Thomas Cartwright son of Robert Cartwright late vicar of this Parish & Ann his wife, died at Denbigh and was buried in this parish December 24 [1779], aged 38 years.”
So he was born around 1841, his parents being Robert and Ann.
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Will notes for Thomas Cartwright
His will was dated 29 December 1777 with a codicil of 14 December 1779.
He named both his wife Penelope Cartwright and his brother-in-law Edward Powys, som Cartwright brothers and some of his children, notably the eldest, Thomas.
The will was proved on 21 January 1780 in London with the executor of Edward Powys duly sworn.
What we don’t know is when he died but it seems to have been between 14 Dec 1779 and 21 Jan 1789.
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He named both his wife Penelope Cartwright and his brother-in-law Edward Powys, som Cartwright brothers and some of his children, notably the eldest, Thomas.
The will was proved on 21 January 1780 in London with the executor of Edward Powys duly sworn.
What we don’t know is when he died but it seems to have been between 14 Dec 1779 and 21 Jan 1789.
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Mon Inscripts notes for Thomas Cartwright
From the transcriptions so Wroxeter church and churchyard, pub by Shropshire FHS in 1985:
“Thomas Cartwright late of Denbigh [buried] 19-12-17769 [aged] 39”
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“Thomas Cartwright late of Denbigh [buried] 19-12-17769 [aged] 39”
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Notes for Thomas & Penelope (Family)
The transcript of the bishop’s Transcript of their marriage:
Penelope Powiss
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts
Name Tho. Cartwright
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 08 Mar 1766
Event Place Astbury, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Spouse's Name Penelope Powiss
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The Trancript of the marriage bond record prior to marriage:
This is Penelope’s marriage and a scan of the original bond is available:
First name(s) PENELOPE
Last name POWYS
Birth year 1745
Marriage year 1766
Marriage date 06 Mar 1766
Parish Astbury
Spouse's first name THOMAS
Spouse's last name CARTWRIGHT
Bride's age 21
Bride's residence Astbury
Bride's marital status Spinster
Groom's age 21
Groom's residence Astbury, Chester
Groom's occupation Surgeon
Groom's marital status Batchelor
Place ASTBURY
County Cheshire
Country England
Record set Cheshire Marriage licence bonds and allegations 1606-1905
The couple’s ages of 21 are mistranscriptions of ‘over 21’ and thus agreeing with her above baptism year and making her 27 at marriage. I can’t imagine a chap being described as a surgeon at a mere 21, either.
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Penelope Powiss
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts
Name Tho. Cartwright
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 08 Mar 1766
Event Place Astbury, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Spouse's Name Penelope Powiss
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The Trancript of the marriage bond record prior to marriage:
This is Penelope’s marriage and a scan of the original bond is available:
First name(s) PENELOPE
Last name POWYS
Birth year 1745
Marriage year 1766
Marriage date 06 Mar 1766
Parish Astbury
Spouse's first name THOMAS
Spouse's last name CARTWRIGHT
Bride's age 21
Bride's residence Astbury
Bride's marital status Spinster
Groom's age 21
Groom's residence Astbury, Chester
Groom's occupation Surgeon
Groom's marital status Batchelor
Place ASTBURY
County Cheshire
Country England
Record set Cheshire Marriage licence bonds and allegations 1606-1905
The couple’s ages of 21 are mistranscriptions of ‘over 21’ and thus agreeing with her above baptism year and making her 27 at marriage. I can’t imagine a chap being described as a surgeon at a mere 21, either.
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