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BirthMay 1359 [219]
Death4 Sep 1432
GeneralMP. JP. Sheriff of Surrey & Sussex.
FatherNicholas Carew (-1390)
Notes for Nicholas Carew
See Victorian County history for Surrey and for Berks.

Brice Clagett reports:

"From: bclagett@cov.com ("Clagett, Brice")
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Subject: The "other" Nicholas Carew
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:39:59 +0000 (UTC)

"Roskell's History of Parliament 1386-1421 2:482-85 has a detailed
biography of Nicholas Carew (c. 1356-1432). He married (1), probably by 1374,
Isabel de La Mare, daughter of Alice de La Mare of Delamers (in Studham),
Hertfordshire (father's name not given), (2), probably by 1398, Mercy, daughter of Stephen Hayme. According to Roskell 3:651, Isabel's mother, Alice de La Mare (d. 1411), married (2), by 1387, John Ludwick, of Digswell and Ludwick in Hatfield, Herts.

"Mr. Sutliff's message on this thread says he is working on the ancestry
of Malyn Oxenbridge, wife of Sir Richard Carew. I hope he will post his findings here, since they will be of interest to many of us."
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Interestingly Ronny Bodine has found that he held Purley Magna manor, acquired much later, around 1665, by Antony Lybbe:

From: RBodine996< >
Subject: Family of Nicholas Carew (c1356-1432), of Beddington, co. Surrey
Date: 06 Dec 1999 13:34:55 GMT

Recently Hap Sutliff asked about the relationships of several members
within the Carew family. We communicated privately and I assembled the
following family outline which might be of help to others who descend
from this family.


NICHOLAS CAREW II, of Beddington, co. Surrey. Born c1356; died 4 Sep
1432 and was buried at Beddington next to his 1st wife. His will of 28
Aug 1432, and contains bequests to his son Nicholas, Mary and Johanne,
daughters of his son Thomas, daughters Isabel and daughter Elizabeth
Bukton, with residue to his wife Mary (sic = Mercy), who was one of the
executors (PCC 16 Luffenham, transcribed in Testamenta Vetusta, p.
260-3 ). Son of Nicholas Carew I (died 1390), by his wife Lucy,
daughter of Sir Richard Willoughby, of Beddington, co. Surrey. Sheriff
of Surrey and Sussex, 1391-1392 and 1400-1401; M.P. for Surrey and
Sussex, 1394, 1395, 1397, and 1417.

Married 1) by May 1374, Isabel, daughter of Alice de la Mare, of
Delamers, Hertfordshire, when the Berkshire landowner, Sir Thomas de la
Mare, settled his manor of Aldermaston upon various members of the
Carew family for life. Isabel was quite probably related to Sir Thomas;
and it was certainly through her that Carew established a connection
with John Ludwick who became her stepfather about 1387, holding the
manor of Delamers in the right of his wife until his death in 1411,
followed soon after that year by Alice. Delamers Manor then passed to
her grandson, Nicholas Carew II. Isabel was buried in Beddington Church
where she appears in an effigy with her husband.

Married 2) probably by July 1398, Mercy, daughter of Stephen Hayme, of
Winchester, by his wife Christine. In 1398, Sulham Manor, Berkshire was
conveyed by Walter Haywode to Stephen Hayme and Nicholas Carew,
probably on account Carew's marriage to Hayme's daughter. Mercy married
2ndly, Arthur Ormesby of London, with whom, in 1454, she was a party to
the settlement of Great Purley Manor, Berkshire by Nicholas Carew III
on himself and his own son, Nicholas IV. In 1461, she sued Nicholas
Carew IV, apparently on the plea that he had given her insufficient
dower. This marriage brought Carew the manors of Hyde and Sulham in
Berkshire. In July 1440, Mercy, late wife of Nicholas Carew, esq.,
demised to Sir Roger Fenys, Nicholas Carew, esq., and others her life
interest in Bandon and Nutfield, co. Surrey (Calendar of Ancient Deeds,
4: 460). The Carew monumental brass records she bore her husband 8 sons
and 8 daughters of whom only 2 children survived their childhood.

Issue by ISABEL de la MARE.

1. NICHOLAS CAREW III, of Beddington, Nutfield and Carshalton, co. Surrey and
Delamers, Hertfordshire. Born 1395?; died 20 Apr 1458, leaving a will of 14
Nov 1456, proved 10 May 1458, in which he directed his burial at Beddington and
names the 5 children below (PCC 12 Stockton). History of Parliament, 1439-1509
(1: 155) notes he proved his age 4 Henry VI [1426], establishing 1405 as a
birthdate, but this is not possible. Likely the note should read 4 Henry V
[1416]. M.P. for co. Surrey, 1439-1440; Sheriff for Surrey and Sussex, 1440-1,
1444-5, and 1448-9. In 1440, he quitclaimed to "Mercy, who was his father's
wife" his 1/3 part of the manor of Woodmansterne, who held 2/3 of the manor for
her life. In 1454, he settled Great Purley Manor, Berkshire on himself with
reversion to his son Nicholas IV and his wife Margaret.
Married Margaret Fiennes (d. 1503), who married 2ndly, c1459, John Carent,
M.P. for Dorset, 1453.

a. NICHOLAS CAREW IV, of Beddington, Nutfield and Carshalton, co. Surrey,
Sulham, Berkshire, and Delamers, Hertfordshire. Born 1436 (being aged 22 at
the death of his father); died 1466. Son and heir. King's Serjeant, was made
constable of Southampton in 1457. He was sued in 1461, by Mercy, 2nd wife of
his grandfather.
Married Margaret, daughter of Edward Langford.

(1). NICHOLAS CAREW V. Born 1462 (being aged 4 at the death of his
father), came of age in Sep 1484, but died childless about 1485, leaving as his
heirs his three sisters.

(2). SANCHIA CAREW. Married, as his 2nd of 3 wives, Sir John
Iwardby (d. 1525), on whom Carshalton Manor, co. Surrey was settled in 1514.
Great Purley, Berkshire was her share of the estate of her brother.

(3). ELIZABETH CAREW. Married Walter Twynho.

(4). ANNE CAREW. Married Christopher Tropnell. Sulham Manor,
Berkshire was her share of her brother's estate.

b. Sir JAMES CAREW, of Beddington, co. Surrey and Delamers,
Hertfordshire. Died 1492. Heir of his nephew. Married Eleanor Hoo.

c. ROSE CAREW.

d. MARGARET CAREW.

e. GINELINE CAREW.

2. THOMAS CAREW. Predeceased his father, dying in October 1430. He is named
as a son of Isabel on the monumental brass of his parents in Beddington Church.
Another brass in Beddington Church is attributed to him and includes his
sister, Isabel.
Married Agnes, daughter of Thomas Hayton, of Batilles and Westburgh, co.
Surrey. At his death in 1432, Agnes was married to her 2nd husband, John Exham
or Hexham, and by 1450 was married to her 3rd husband, Thomas Sayer, with whom
she conveyed Westburgh to her daughters Mercy and Joan and their husbands,
Richard Ford and William Saunders.

a. JOAN CAREW. Born in or before 1417 (being under age 15 at the time of
her grandfather's will); died 1470. Joan was named as the heir of her
grandfather in his will to his manor of Warlingham, co. Surrey, later called
Carews. In default of Joan's issue the manor was then to descend to her sister
Mercy, with contingent remainders to Nicholas and Isabel, son and daughter of
the testator. Joan married William Saunders, together with whom she brought a
suit against William Selman and William Bradford, trustees appointed by her
grandfather, to oblige them to surrender the estate to her, she being more than
15 years old, the age to which she was entitled to the estate. She deposed
that in spite of this fact and of the will of her grandfather, produced by her
grandmother Mercy, the trustees refused to give it up. The lands were
surrendered to her in 1451. Warlington (Carew) Manor descended to her
descendants.

b. MERCY CAREW. Under age 15 at the time of her grandfather's will.
Contingent heir of her sister. Married Richard Ford.

c. ISABEL CAREW. She had apparently predeceased her grandfather as she
was not included in his will as a contingent heir.

3. ISABEL CAREW. Died 1434. She appears on the monumental brass of her
brother Thomas as Isabel Bukton. Her father bequeathed to her his lands in
Wantynge, Berkshire.
Married 1) Brian Harsick, 2) Robert Bukton.

a. ANN. Named in her grandfather's will.

Issue by MERCY HAYME.

4. ELIZABETH CAREW. Born in or shortly after 1398; died 25 Sep 1410 and was
buried in Beddington Church. Her now lost monumental brass referred to her as
'Elizabetha filia Nicholai et Mariae' the latter name which should read
'Merciae' and wife of 'Thomae Lewknore.' Sir Thomas Lewkenor was one of the
supervisors of the will of her father. Based upon her likely birthdate she was
clearly a childbride and no issue was likely.

5. PHILIPE CAREW. Died 1414 and was buried in Beddington Church. Her
monumental brass there calls her the daughter of Nicholas and Mercy Carreu and
includes the names of 7 brothers and 6 sisters who had predeceased her.

6-12.GUY, JOHN, JOHN, JOHN, JOHN, WILLIAM and WILLIAM CAREW.

13-18.ELEANOR, LUCY, AGNES, AGNES, MARGARET and ANNE CAREW.

REFERENCES
Roskell, J.S., Linda Clark and Carole Rawcliffe. The History of Parliament:
The House of Commons 1386-1421. 4 vols. Stroud: Alan Sutton Publishing,
1992.

Wedgwood, Josiah C. History of Parliament: Biographies of the Members of the
House of Commons, 1439-1509. 3 vols. London: H.M. Stationary Office, 1936.

Stephenson, Mill. A List of Monumental Brasses in the British Isles. London,
1926.

Surrey Archaeological Collection, 1956, article "The Manor of Batailles and the
Family of Saunder in Ewell During the 16th and 17th Centuries," by Michael L.
Walker, p. 76-100.

VCH, Berkshire, iii, 419 (Manor of Great Purley)
VCH, Berkshire, iii, 429 (Manor of Sulham)
VCH, Hertfordshire, ii, 298-9 (Manor of Delamers)
VCH, Surrey, iii, 170 (Manor of Beddington)
VCH, Surrey, iii, 223-4 (Manor of Nutfield)
VCH, Surrey, iii, 256 (Manor of Westburgh)
VCH, Surrey, iv, 182 (Manor of Carshalton)
VCH, Surrey, iv, 248 (Manor of Woodmansterne)
VCH, Surrey, iv, 335-336 (Manor of Carews)
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Will notes for Nicholas Carew
In his will, dated 28 August 1432, he lists:
Mary his wife [Marcy? or were there a few mis-copyings???],
(Sir) Nicholas his son [ and heir?],
Thomas his son [possibly desceased as the gifts are always to Thomas's daughters],
Mary, daughter of Thomas Carew his son,
Johanne daughter of Thomas Carew his son.

Isabel his daughter [he had three such, Elizabeth and Isabel by his first wife and Isabel by his second]
Ann daughter of Isabel his daughter,

[It sounds as if he was left with only two children and three grandchildren at his death.]
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