Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
NameNicholas Carew 
[74, No 1096, p. 56], [140, No 17, Carew ancestry by P. Montague-Smith], [78, The will of Nicholas de Carew, Knight, p. 123]
[74, No 1096, p. 56], [140, No 17, Carew ancestry by P. Montague-Smith], [78, The will of Nicholas de Carew, Knight, p. 123]Death17 Aug 1390
GeneralFounder of Beddington line.
FatherThomas Carew (ca1292->1337)
MotherN. N.
Notes for Nicholas Carew
This descent to Nicholas of Beddington is given by Patrick Montague Smith in a short paper in the box files of the Society of Genealogists.
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Additionally there is a descent given in Coll. Top. et Gen., v., pp. 171-4 which has slightly different dates, though the people are the same. I wonder which is right? This one traces the descent of Norbury manor, part of the Boddington fief.
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From the Victoria County History of Surrey, Vol IV, pp. 168-178, they give this account of the acquisition and early history of Beddington Manor:
“John [Roges] died without issue in 1302, when the manor once again escheated and was granted at the same rent to Thomas Corber, (fn. 18) whose son Thomas Corbet (fn. 19) died seised of it subject to his mother's dower of one-third. Against Thomas Corbet the elder (fn. 20) Edmund Gacelyn brought an action, claiming the manor as kinsman and heir of John Roges, viz. son of Geoffrey brother of Denise mother of Rogo, Isabel's husband. This Rogo therefore must stand in the plaintiff's pedigree for Reginald de Gacelyn, for if Isabel had had a son by a first husband Rogo, Geoffrey de Gacelyn could not have claimed any kinship with him, his connexion being necessarily through Reginald de Gacelyn.
“Corbet evidently won the case as grantee on failure of collateral heirs to Raymund de Luk's daughter. In 1338 (fn. 21) a pardon with a fine of 100s. was given to Thomas de Morle for acquiring the manor of Beddington from Thomas Corbet son of the younger Thomas without royal licence, and in 1345 (fn. 22) Richard de Wylughby and Elizabeth his wife had to pay another 100s. fine for entering on the manor without licence on purchase from Thomas de Brayton, the king's clerk, to whom Thomas de Morle had transferred it. Richard de Wylughby (fn. 23) acquired a mill in Beddington from Walter de Kenele in 1347. In 1352 Richard and Elizabeth had licence to lease the manor for life to Nicholas Carew, (fn. 24) who, according to the pedigree of the Carew family formerly preserved at Beddington and printed by Manning and Bray, (fn. 25) married their daughter Lucy widow of Thomas Huscarl. (fn. 26)
“After Richard's death Elizabeth in 1363 (fn. 27) conveyed the manor in fee to Nicholas Carew, (fn. 28) patron of the church of Beddington, who in 1373 was granted free warren in his manor of Beddington (fn. 29) and died seised of it in 1390, leaving a son Nicholas. (fn. 30) The manor (together with such of the other manors as his family bought in Beddington, as will be seen under those heads) continued in the Carew family down to the time of George II. In 1421 (fn. 31) we find Roger Heroun and others appointed trustees by Nicholas Carew to hold the manors to his use and the uses of his will. (fn. 32) After his death in 1432 the trustees gave them to his son Nicholas in tail male. The son of the elder son of Nicholas, the heir of the first-named, died without issue and the estates devolved first on his uncle James Carew, who died in 1492, and then on Richard his cousin, the son of his uncle James. (fn. 33)”
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Additionally there is a descent given in Coll. Top. et Gen., v., pp. 171-4 which has slightly different dates, though the people are the same. I wonder which is right? This one traces the descent of Norbury manor, part of the Boddington fief.
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From the Victoria County History of Surrey, Vol IV, pp. 168-178, they give this account of the acquisition and early history of Beddington Manor:
“John [Roges] died without issue in 1302, when the manor once again escheated and was granted at the same rent to Thomas Corber, (fn. 18) whose son Thomas Corbet (fn. 19) died seised of it subject to his mother's dower of one-third. Against Thomas Corbet the elder (fn. 20) Edmund Gacelyn brought an action, claiming the manor as kinsman and heir of John Roges, viz. son of Geoffrey brother of Denise mother of Rogo, Isabel's husband. This Rogo therefore must stand in the plaintiff's pedigree for Reginald de Gacelyn, for if Isabel had had a son by a first husband Rogo, Geoffrey de Gacelyn could not have claimed any kinship with him, his connexion being necessarily through Reginald de Gacelyn.
“Corbet evidently won the case as grantee on failure of collateral heirs to Raymund de Luk's daughter. In 1338 (fn. 21) a pardon with a fine of 100s. was given to Thomas de Morle for acquiring the manor of Beddington from Thomas Corbet son of the younger Thomas without royal licence, and in 1345 (fn. 22) Richard de Wylughby and Elizabeth his wife had to pay another 100s. fine for entering on the manor without licence on purchase from Thomas de Brayton, the king's clerk, to whom Thomas de Morle had transferred it. Richard de Wylughby (fn. 23) acquired a mill in Beddington from Walter de Kenele in 1347. In 1352 Richard and Elizabeth had licence to lease the manor for life to Nicholas Carew, (fn. 24) who, according to the pedigree of the Carew family formerly preserved at Beddington and printed by Manning and Bray, (fn. 25) married their daughter Lucy widow of Thomas Huscarl. (fn. 26)
“After Richard's death Elizabeth in 1363 (fn. 27) conveyed the manor in fee to Nicholas Carew, (fn. 28) patron of the church of Beddington, who in 1373 was granted free warren in his manor of Beddington (fn. 29) and died seised of it in 1390, leaving a son Nicholas. (fn. 30) The manor (together with such of the other manors as his family bought in Beddington, as will be seen under those heads) continued in the Carew family down to the time of George II. In 1421 (fn. 31) we find Roger Heroun and others appointed trustees by Nicholas Carew to hold the manors to his use and the uses of his will. (fn. 32) After his death in 1432 the trustees gave them to his son Nicholas in tail male. The son of the elder son of Nicholas, the heir of the first-named, died without issue and the estates devolved first on his uncle James Carew, who died in 1492, and then on Richard his cousin, the son of his uncle James. (fn. 33)”
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Will notes for Nicholas Carew
In what must be the will of this Nicholas, dated 13th October 1387, he writes that he is at his Manor of Bedington, asks to be buried at St Mary's Bedington, near the sepulture of Monsr John de Carew, his brother and lists:
Monsr John de Carew, his brother,
Nicholas de Carew, his son,
Dame Margaret Turberville, his daughter,
Dame Lucy, his daughter, Prioress of Redsparre.
Monsr John de Carew, his brother,
Nicholas de Carew, his son,
Dame Margaret Turberville, his daughter,
Dame Lucy, his daughter, Prioress of Redsparre.