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NameGeorge Welbank 
[2, Vol 2, p.1966], [18, RL for Wm S Trotter of 3.12.1868], [27, 1899: Trotter of Horton Manor, p. 2054], [19, Dau Bapt: St James, Westminster, Middlesex for 1813, page 37], [9, Paul Welbank, 10 Dec 2004, "Welbank Arms"], [19, His burial on 14 May 1821 at St John Ev., Coulsdon], [19, Baptism on 29 Jan 1777 at St Botolphs, Bishopgate.], [14, George Welbank’s pedigree of 1827, MS 12D14.53]
[2, Vol 2, p.1966], [18, RL for Wm S Trotter of 3.12.1868], [27, 1899: Trotter of Horton Manor, p. 2054], [19, Dau Bapt: St James, Westminster, Middlesex for 1813, page 37], [9, Paul Welbank, 10 Dec 2004, "Welbank Arms"], [19, His burial on 14 May 1821 at St John Ev., Coulsdon], [19, Baptism on 29 Jan 1777 at St Botolphs, Bishopgate.], [14, George Welbank’s pedigree of 1827, MS 12D14.53]Birth6 Jan 1777, London, Mx
Baptism29 Jan 1777, St Botolph's, Bishopsgate, London
Death9 May 1821
Burial14 May 1821, Coulsdon, Surrey
General1st s. Broker. Of St James' Place, London SW.
FatherWilliam Welbank (1741-1791)
MotherJemima Jones (ca1754-1840)
Spouses
1Ann Trotter [19, Her burial at Ch Ch, Epsom on 28 Sep 1812], [14, George Welbank’s pedigree of 1827, MS 12D14.53], [18, RL for Wm S Trotter of 3.12.1868], [27, 1899: Trotter of Horton Manor, p. 2054], [19, Dau Bapt: St James, Westminster, Middlesex for 1813, page 37]
[19, Her burial at Ch Ch, Epsom on 28 Sep 1812], [14, George Welbank’s pedigree of 1827, MS 12D14.53], [18, RL for Wm S Trotter of 3.12.1868], [27, 1899: Trotter of Horton Manor, p. 2054], [19, Dau Bapt: St James, Westminster, Middlesex for 1813, page 37]FatherJames Trotter (1754-1833)
MotherElizabeth Meyrick (-1820)
Marriage26 May 1808, Epsom parish church, Surrey [19, Vicar General's Licence to marry: 24th May 1808], [14, George Welbank’s pedigree of 1827, MS 12D14.53]
ChildrenGeorge (1809-1842)
Mary Elizabeth (1812-1885)
Notes for George Welbank
FindMyPast has this baptism, copied from FamilySearch:
First name(s) George
Last name Wellbank [sic]
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1777
Baptism date 29 Jan 1777
Place -
County London
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Jemima
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
The record on Family Search adds that the baptism was at St Botolphs, Bishopgate, London
Ancestry has an image of the baptism register which reads:
[City of London > St Botolph, Bishopsgate > 1752-1779]
“Christnings 1777 Jan&February
“. . . .
“29 [Jan] George Welbank son of William and Jemima”
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The LDS Vital records, but no FHL Film No, of Christenings had a George Welbank baptised on 23 Jul 1755 at Aldborough, Yorks. His father was also George.
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On the Vicar General's Licence, to marry Anne Trotter, of 24 May 1808, he is reported to be of age twenty-one and upwards, giving a birth of before 1787.
At the time of receiving this licence, his address was Great Winchester Street, London.
I have a photocopy of this marriage Licence with his signature on it.
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Ancestry.com have a record for the baptism of a George, son of Sampson and Mary Wallbank [sic] on 28 Jun 1791 at Rocester [sic] parish, Staffs.
I wonder if this use of Sampson has anything to do with the Brown-Trotter sons had Sampson as forenames? If it was a birth baptism, the date is a bit late for his marriage in 1808.
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In 1820 he was involved in buying a mortgage through Messrs Hanby Holmes, solicitors of Durham:
Ref No. D/HH 3/1/21/26
1820
(1) Robert Johnson of Ploughlands, Crosby Garratt, Westmorland
(2) Ann Hutchinson of Barningham, Yorks., widow
(3) George Welbank of St. James' Place, Middlesex, Esquire; William Sampson of Copthall Court, Throgmorton Street, London, Esquire; Robert Clarke of Stockton, gentleman
Draft assignment by (2) to (3) of two messuages and lands (Kidley Close etc.) as specified in Arkengarthdale, Yorks., for the remainder of two terms of 2,000 years. Recites previous deeds.
Consideration: £500 [to (2) in part redemption of mortgage money due from (1) to (2)]
(1 file)
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Just to confuse there is another George Welbank on the 1841 census, reported to be aged 62 and born in Middlesex. And there is another one, aged 51 and living in York.
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This looks like his burial, I should get a copy:
First name(s): George
Last name: WELBANK
Date of burial: 14 May 1821
Age at death: 44
Calculated year of birth: 1779
7Place of burial Coulsdon
Dedication: St John the Evangelist
County: Surrey
Notes: Coulsdon St John the Evangelist:
Denomination: Anglican
Coverage 1655 - 1840
Number of entries: 1,217
Record source: National Burial Index
Data provider: West Surrey Family History Society
The Record Office for this church’s registers is at Woking.
The photocopy of the register merely confirms the above, no information on his death date.
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And the 1851 burial is, but with NO surname:
First name(s) George
Last name -
Age -
Birth year 1778
Death year 1851
Death date ? ? 1851
Burial year 1851
Burial date 07 May 1851
Burial place St George, Hanover Square
County Middlesex
Country England
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Record set Westminster Burials
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A death index, with surname, in York in 1852, but no age:
First name(s) GEORGE
Last name WELLBANK
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year -
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1852
District York
County Yorkshire
Volume 9D
Page 29
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
The later GRO index, with age, has:
Name: Age at Death (in years):
WELLBANK, GEORGE 73
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in OF YORK IN THE CITY AND COUNTY OF YORK Volume 09D Page 29
This gives a birth date of 1779, which corresponds with the baptism date.
So, he would be in the 1851 census… And he was, and was a shoe-maker, so not our Merchant!.
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In Feb 1821 the London Gazette had this, which sounds like him:
“Notice is hereby given, that the Partnership subsisting between George Welbank and John Petyt of No 80, Old, Broad Street, Ship and Insurance `Brokers under the firms of Brown, Welbank and Petyt and Welbak and petyt, was dissolved on the 30th Day of December last by mutual consent, the said George Welbank retiring—Alldebts due to and from the late partnership will be liquidated and settled and the business continued by the said John Petytr, at No 80, Old Broad-Street aforesaid—Witness our hands this 7th daye of February 1821.
George Welbank.
John Petyt.”
This would tie in with his death in May of that year.
In March 1806 the earlier partnership of Welbank, Brown and Petyt was dissolved, to be carried on by Welbank and petyt.
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In The Sun of Thursday 10 May 1821, p. 4 of 4:
DIED
On the 9th Instant, George Welbank,Esq., late of St James’s-place.
In Feb 1827 there was a creditors meeting for sttlement of the debts of the lat George Walbanke of Red Lion STreet, Clerkenwell, Goldsmith and Jeweller.
I do not think this was for him.
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No will can be found for him in the PCC records at the National Archives. Not accessed any of the York records nor and Admin records.
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First name(s) George
Last name Wellbank [sic]
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1777
Baptism date 29 Jan 1777
Place -
County London
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Jemima
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
The record on Family Search adds that the baptism was at St Botolphs, Bishopgate, London
Ancestry has an image of the baptism register which reads:
[City of London > St Botolph, Bishopsgate > 1752-1779]
“Christnings 1777 Jan&February
“. . . .
“29 [Jan] George Welbank son of William and Jemima”
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The LDS Vital records, but no FHL Film No, of Christenings had a George Welbank baptised on 23 Jul 1755 at Aldborough, Yorks. His father was also George.
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On the Vicar General's Licence, to marry Anne Trotter, of 24 May 1808, he is reported to be of age twenty-one and upwards, giving a birth of before 1787.
At the time of receiving this licence, his address was Great Winchester Street, London.
I have a photocopy of this marriage Licence with his signature on it.
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Ancestry.com have a record for the baptism of a George, son of Sampson and Mary Wallbank [sic] on 28 Jun 1791 at Rocester [sic] parish, Staffs.
I wonder if this use of Sampson has anything to do with the Brown-Trotter sons had Sampson as forenames? If it was a birth baptism, the date is a bit late for his marriage in 1808.
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In 1820 he was involved in buying a mortgage through Messrs Hanby Holmes, solicitors of Durham:
Ref No. D/HH 3/1/21/26
1820
(1) Robert Johnson of Ploughlands, Crosby Garratt, Westmorland
(2) Ann Hutchinson of Barningham, Yorks., widow
(3) George Welbank of St. James' Place, Middlesex, Esquire; William Sampson of Copthall Court, Throgmorton Street, London, Esquire; Robert Clarke of Stockton, gentleman
Draft assignment by (2) to (3) of two messuages and lands (Kidley Close etc.) as specified in Arkengarthdale, Yorks., for the remainder of two terms of 2,000 years. Recites previous deeds.
Consideration: £500 [to (2) in part redemption of mortgage money due from (1) to (2)]
(1 file)
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Just to confuse there is another George Welbank on the 1841 census, reported to be aged 62 and born in Middlesex. And there is another one, aged 51 and living in York.
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This looks like his burial, I should get a copy:
First name(s): George
Last name: WELBANK
Date of burial: 14 May 1821
Age at death: 44
Calculated year of birth: 1779
7Place of burial Coulsdon
Dedication: St John the Evangelist
County: Surrey
Notes: Coulsdon St John the Evangelist:
Denomination: Anglican
Coverage 1655 - 1840
Number of entries: 1,217
Record source: National Burial Index
Data provider: West Surrey Family History Society
The Record Office for this church’s registers is at Woking.
The photocopy of the register merely confirms the above, no information on his death date.
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And the 1851 burial is, but with NO surname:
First name(s) George
Last name -
Age -
Birth year 1778
Death year 1851
Death date ? ? 1851
Burial year 1851
Burial date 07 May 1851
Burial place St George, Hanover Square
County Middlesex
Country England
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Record set Westminster Burials
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A death index, with surname, in York in 1852, but no age:
First name(s) GEORGE
Last name WELLBANK
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year -
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1852
District York
County Yorkshire
Volume 9D
Page 29
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
The later GRO index, with age, has:
Name: Age at Death (in years):
WELLBANK, GEORGE 73
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in OF YORK IN THE CITY AND COUNTY OF YORK Volume 09D Page 29
This gives a birth date of 1779, which corresponds with the baptism date.
So, he would be in the 1851 census… And he was, and was a shoe-maker, so not our Merchant!.
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In Feb 1821 the London Gazette had this, which sounds like him:
“Notice is hereby given, that the Partnership subsisting between George Welbank and John Petyt of No 80, Old, Broad Street, Ship and Insurance `Brokers under the firms of Brown, Welbank and Petyt and Welbak and petyt, was dissolved on the 30th Day of December last by mutual consent, the said George Welbank retiring—Alldebts due to and from the late partnership will be liquidated and settled and the business continued by the said John Petytr, at No 80, Old Broad-Street aforesaid—Witness our hands this 7th daye of February 1821.
George Welbank.
John Petyt.”
This would tie in with his death in May of that year.
In March 1806 the earlier partnership of Welbank, Brown and Petyt was dissolved, to be carried on by Welbank and petyt.
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In The Sun of Thursday 10 May 1821, p. 4 of 4:
DIED
On the 9th Instant, George Welbank,Esq., late of St James’s-place.
In Feb 1827 there was a creditors meeting for sttlement of the debts of the lat George Walbanke of Red Lion STreet, Clerkenwell, Goldsmith and Jeweller.
I do not think this was for him.
__________________
No will can be found for him in the PCC records at the National Archives. Not accessed any of the York records nor and Admin records.
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Arms Generally notes for George Welbank
It was only in 2020 that I followed up this attenuated notice in “Grantees of Arms”, vol 2, p. 388:
“WELBANK, . . . ., of Cowton, co. York, and London (1808) Vol XXIV, fol. 396.”
I put a query in to the College of Arms to see if they could tell me more.
(Thanks to Paul Welbank with his Welbank site at <welbank.net> for pointing this out.)
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On 1st November 2020 I got this e-mail from William Hunt, Research Assistant to the John Petrie, Windsor Herald:
The blazon of the grant of arms to George Welbank on 26 April 1808 with the limitation extended to include his siblings and their descendants is as follows (Grants 24.396)
Arms: Erminois on a Chevron Azure between three Bucks trippant Sable in the mouth of each a Sprig of Hazel proper an Anchor erect between two Bees volant Or
Crest: On a Wreath Or and Azure A Buck Erminois attired Or in the mouth a Sprig of Hazel proper the dexter forefoot resting on an Anchor Sable
No motto was exemplified.
A pedigree was recorded in 1827 (12D14.53), beginning with the grantee’s grandfather and including his siblings and children. His wife is given as Ann (sic) Trotter.
The pedigree has been ordered.
It is incredible that this grant was not mentioned by any of his descendants, let alone in the Royal Licence to grant arms to his daughter and her husband, Mary Elizabeth and William Brown (to allow them to hold the Trotter arms. To me it was only because George Welbank was armigerous that his daughter could carry both his arms and the Trotter Arms carried by her mother. I had once asked the then York herald about this, before I knew of any grant to George, and he said that the kings of arms could make any grant they wished, regardless of rights of inheritance.
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The Pedigree:
George Welbank of North Cawton co. York
Died Anno 1768
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William Welbank of Stockton co Durham = Jemima daughter of Robert Jones of Old Ford
and of the City of London, Merchant co Middlesex, Gent
Died 16 October 1791, married in 1776
buried at Croydon co Surrey living 1827
|
|_________Grants 24, 396 George Welbank of North = Ann eldest daughter of James Trotter
| Cawton afsd and of the City of London, | of Kettleshiel co Berwick and of
| Merchant, eldest son | Horton co Surrey, Esqre.
| Born 6 January1777 in London | Born 10 January 1784
| Died 9 March 1821 | Married 26 May 1808 at Epsom co Surrey
| buried at Coulsdon co Surrey | Died 22 September 1812, buried at Epsom
| |
| __________________|_____________
| | |
| George Welbank, only son Mary Elizabeth, only daughter
| Born 9 September 1809 Born 21 March 1812
|_
|________ Robert Welbank 2nd son, Captain in = Sarah daughter of Major Rohde of Bromley
| the Naval Service of the East India Common co Kent, esqre.
| India Company. Living SP 1827
| Born 17 January 1778 in London
| Living without issue 1827.
|
|________ Jemima, eldest daughter
| Born 22 April 1779.
| Living unmarried 1827
|
|________ Mary 2nd daughter. Married 27 April 1800 to Richard Bethell
| of Rise co York, Esqre. Both living 1827
|
|________ Harriet 3rd daughter died an infant
|
|
|________ Harriet 4th daughter married 28 September to William Sampson
of Southgate co Middlesex and of the City of London, Merchant
Both living 1827 without issue.
Extracted from College of Arms MS 12D14.53 by William Hunt, sometime Windsor Herald
[signed] William Hunt 7 November 2020
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I am not sure that the above death date for George was correct as his burial was two months after that date.
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“WELBANK, . . . ., of Cowton, co. York, and London (1808) Vol XXIV, fol. 396.”
I put a query in to the College of Arms to see if they could tell me more.
(Thanks to Paul Welbank with his Welbank site at <welbank.net> for pointing this out.)
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On 1st November 2020 I got this e-mail from William Hunt, Research Assistant to the John Petrie, Windsor Herald:
The blazon of the grant of arms to George Welbank on 26 April 1808 with the limitation extended to include his siblings and their descendants is as follows (Grants 24.396)
Arms: Erminois on a Chevron Azure between three Bucks trippant Sable in the mouth of each a Sprig of Hazel proper an Anchor erect between two Bees volant Or
Crest: On a Wreath Or and Azure A Buck Erminois attired Or in the mouth a Sprig of Hazel proper the dexter forefoot resting on an Anchor Sable
No motto was exemplified.
A pedigree was recorded in 1827 (12D14.53), beginning with the grantee’s grandfather and including his siblings and children. His wife is given as Ann (sic) Trotter.
The pedigree has been ordered.
It is incredible that this grant was not mentioned by any of his descendants, let alone in the Royal Licence to grant arms to his daughter and her husband, Mary Elizabeth and William Brown (to allow them to hold the Trotter arms. To me it was only because George Welbank was armigerous that his daughter could carry both his arms and the Trotter Arms carried by her mother. I had once asked the then York herald about this, before I knew of any grant to George, and he said that the kings of arms could make any grant they wished, regardless of rights of inheritance.
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The Pedigree:
George Welbank of North Cawton co. York
Died Anno 1768
|
|
William Welbank of Stockton co Durham = Jemima daughter of Robert Jones of Old Ford
and of the City of London, Merchant co Middlesex, Gent
Died 16 October 1791, married in 1776
buried at Croydon co Surrey living 1827
|
|_________Grants 24, 396 George Welbank of North = Ann eldest daughter of James Trotter
| Cawton afsd and of the City of London, | of Kettleshiel co Berwick and of
| Merchant, eldest son | Horton co Surrey, Esqre.
| Born 6 January1777 in London | Born 10 January 1784
| Died 9 March 1821 | Married 26 May 1808 at Epsom co Surrey
| buried at Coulsdon co Surrey | Died 22 September 1812, buried at Epsom
| |
| __________________|_____________
| | |
| George Welbank, only son Mary Elizabeth, only daughter
| Born 9 September 1809 Born 21 March 1812
|_
|________ Robert Welbank 2nd son, Captain in = Sarah daughter of Major Rohde of Bromley
| the Naval Service of the East India Common co Kent, esqre.
| India Company. Living SP 1827
| Born 17 January 1778 in London
| Living without issue 1827.
|
|________ Jemima, eldest daughter
| Born 22 April 1779.
| Living unmarried 1827
|
|________ Mary 2nd daughter. Married 27 April 1800 to Richard Bethell
| of Rise co York, Esqre. Both living 1827
|
|________ Harriet 3rd daughter died an infant
|
|
|________ Harriet 4th daughter married 28 September to William Sampson
of Southgate co Middlesex and of the City of London, Merchant
Both living 1827 without issue.
Extracted from College of Arms MS 12D14.53 by William Hunt, sometime Windsor Herald
[signed] William Hunt 7 November 2020
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I am not sure that the above death date for George was correct as his burial was two months after that date.
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Armorial Blazon notes for George Welbank
Arms: Erminois on a Chevron Azure between three Bucks trippant Sable in the mouth of each a Sprig of Hazel proper an Anchor erect between two Bees volant Or
Crest: On a Wreath Or and Azure A Buck Erminois attired Or in the mouth a Sprig of Hazel proper the dexter forefoot resting on an Anchor Sable
Crest: On a Wreath Or and Azure A Buck Erminois attired Or in the mouth a Sprig of Hazel proper the dexter forefoot resting on an Anchor Sable
Blazon source notes for George Welbank
Arms Grant of 26 April 1808 by College of Arms.
Notes for George & Ann (Family)
Their marriage licence text is:
Vicar General’s Office 24 May 1809
Which Day appeared personally George Welbank and made Oath that he is of Great Winchester Street London q Bachelor of the age of twenty one years super and intendeth to intermarry with Ann Trotter of the parish of Epsom in the County of Surrey a Spinster of the age of twenty one super and that he knoweth of no lawful impediment, by Reason of any Precontract, Consanguity, Addinity, or any other lawful Cause whatsoever, to hinder the said intended Marriage, and prayed a Livence to solemnize the same in the Parish Church of Epsom aforesaid and further made Oath, that the usual Place of Abode of her the said Ann Trotter hath been in the said Parish of Epsom for upwards of four Weeks last past.
James Bush & Jenner
Sworn before me:
GHeorge Welbank [signed]
C Coote Jnr [signed]
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From the Morning Post of 28 May 1808, p. 4 of 4:
MARRIED
On Thursday last, at Epsom, by the Rev Thomas Woodman, George Welbank, Wsq. of Winchester-street, to Ann, eldest daughter of James Trotter, Esq. of Horton-place, Surrey.
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Finally, the marriage itself, the image of the register page being found on Ancestry:
[Epsom, St Martin > 1783-1812
“Page [The Yearf 1808]
“No 225} George Welbank of the Parish Great Winchester, South London and Ann Trotter of this Parish were Married In This Church By Licence This Twenty Eighth Day Of May In The Year On Thousand Eight Hundred And Eight By Me Thos. B Woodman Minister
This Marriage Was Solemnized Between Us:
[Signed] George Welbank Ann Tyrotter
In The Presence Of [Signed]
James Trotter George Brown”
The witness George Brown was probably his senior partner in his business who was from Co Durham (or so) and NOT the George aged 8 who was to marry their daughter nearly thirty years later.
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Vicar General’s Office 24 May 1809
Which Day appeared personally George Welbank and made Oath that he is of Great Winchester Street London q Bachelor of the age of twenty one years super and intendeth to intermarry with Ann Trotter of the parish of Epsom in the County of Surrey a Spinster of the age of twenty one super and that he knoweth of no lawful impediment, by Reason of any Precontract, Consanguity, Addinity, or any other lawful Cause whatsoever, to hinder the said intended Marriage, and prayed a Livence to solemnize the same in the Parish Church of Epsom aforesaid and further made Oath, that the usual Place of Abode of her the said Ann Trotter hath been in the said Parish of Epsom for upwards of four Weeks last past.
James Bush & Jenner
Sworn before me:
GHeorge Welbank [signed]
C Coote Jnr [signed]
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From the Morning Post of 28 May 1808, p. 4 of 4:
MARRIED
On Thursday last, at Epsom, by the Rev Thomas Woodman, George Welbank, Wsq. of Winchester-street, to Ann, eldest daughter of James Trotter, Esq. of Horton-place, Surrey.
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Finally, the marriage itself, the image of the register page being found on Ancestry:
[Epsom, St Martin > 1783-1812
“Page [The Yearf 1808]
“No 225} George Welbank of the Parish Great Winchester, South London and Ann Trotter of this Parish were Married In This Church By Licence This Twenty Eighth Day Of May In The Year On Thousand Eight Hundred And Eight By Me Thos. B Woodman Minister
This Marriage Was Solemnized Between Us:
[Signed] George Welbank Ann Tyrotter
In The Presence Of [Signed]
James Trotter George Brown”
The witness George Brown was probably his senior partner in his business who was from Co Durham (or so) and NOT the George aged 8 who was to marry their daughter nearly thirty years later.
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