Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
NameLucy Charlotte Stopford 
[19, Baptism on 18dec1811 at St Botolph, Barton Segrave, Northants], [4, 1861 ref: RG09, piece 930, folio 91, p. 14], [4, 1891 ref: RG12, piece 71, folio 64, p. 9], [4, 1901 ref: RG13, piece 2059, folio 147, page 27], [3, Death, Q1 of 1902, Hardingstone dist, vol 3B, p. 17]
[19, Baptism on 18dec1811 at St Botolph, Barton Segrave, Northants], [4, 1861 ref: RG09, piece 930, folio 91, p. 14], [4, 1891 ref: RG12, piece 71, folio 64, p. 9], [4, 1901 ref: RG13, piece 2059, folio 147, page 27], [3, Death, Q1 of 1902, Hardingstone dist, vol 3B, p. 17]BirthNov 1811, Barton Segrave, Northants
Baptism18 Dec 1811, St Botolph, Barton Segrave, Northants
Deathca Feb 1902, Hardingstone district, Northants
General2nd dau. dsp.
FatherRev Richard Bruce Stopford (1774-1844)
MotherEleanor Powys (1773-1854)
Spouses
Marriage21 May 1844, Barton Seagrave, Northants [3, Marriage on 21 May 1844 at Barton Seagrave, Northants]
No Children
Notes for Lucy Charlotte Stopford
Her baptism, courtesy of Ancestry for the Bishop Transcripts image, transcript by me:
[ Baton Seagrave > Bishop’s Trancripts . 1706-1812
“ Baptisms
“. . . .
“Lucy Charlotte Daughter of Richd. Bruce & Eleanor Stopford
“Baptized Decr. 8th. 1811
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Her death index:
Name: Age at Death (in years):
SMYTH, LUCY CHARLOTTE 90
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in HARDINGSTONE Volume 03B Page 17
Her ref: Death, Q1 of 1902, Hardingstone dist, vol 3B, p. 17
Hardingstone was the local registration district to Little Houghton where she had lived. Had she gone back there? Where was she living? Who registered her death? It sounds like only her death certificate would answer these questions. It might be worth doing an address search within the 1901 census.
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I have searched for her in all censuses and the only one that looks like it was her, apart from the fact that she was reported to be Single, is in 1891 when she was lodging, possibly accompanied by a lady’s maid AND a footman at a lodging house in St George Hanover Square, London:
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frederick W Phillis Head M M 47 1844 Lodging house keeper London, Middlesex
Ellen L Phillis Wife M F 47 1844 - Bungay, Suffolk
Kate Phillis Daur S F 21 1870 Assistant in lodging house Woodford, Essex
Ellen Phillis Daur S F 17 1874 Machinist Woodford, Essex
Nora Phillis Daur S F 14 1877 - Catford, Kent
Eliza Goste Serv S F 17 1874 Kitchen maid Yarmouth, Norfolk
Lucy Smyth Ldgr S F 81 1810 Living on own means Northampton, Northamptonshire
Ellen Wagham Serv S F 55 1836 Lady’s maid Catford, Kent
Frederick Langton Serv S M 17 1874 Footman Lincoln, Lincolnshire
Ref:
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 71
Folio 64
Page 9
Combined: 1891 ref: RG12, piece 71, folio 64, p. 9
For the moment I am not adding this to her source references but will first try to see what I can of her husband.
Her husband was found in 1861, he died in 1872, Lucy Charlotte was found in Devon in 1901 with both Ellen Waghorn, above, and her niece Mabel C Stopford. So this 1891 census entry has to be hers and i have added it as a reference for her life.
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This led to finding her in the 1861 census aged 47 and born in 1814, contradicting the above baptism information but explaining why my search based on her baptism year did not find her. This census gave also a bit more information on her husband at Houghton House, Little Houghton, Hardingstone, Northamptonshire, which was where he was living at the time of marriage:
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Smyth Head M M 52 1809 Magistrate landowner St Giles, Northamptonshire, England
Lucy C Smyth Wife M F 47 1814 Wife of wm smyth esgr Barton Seagrave, Northamptonshire, England
John Booty Serv U M 31 1830 House servant Norfolk, England
Philip Morters Serv U M 21 1840 House servant Mundesley, Norfolk, England
Elizabeth Traylen Serv U F 29 1832 House servant Ramsden Heath, Essex, England
Sarah Wesley Serv U F 22 1839 House servant Hardingstone, Northamptonshire, England
Clara Smith Serv U F 21 1840 House servant Lower Heyford, Northamptonshire, England
Elizabeth Chapman Serv - F 20 1841 House servant Surrey, England
Sarah Daniels Serv U F 29 1832 House servant Chelsea, Middlesex, England
Ref:
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 930
Folio 91
Page 14
Combined: 1861 ref: RG09, piece 930, folio 91, p. 14
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In the 1871 census she was still with her husband in Little Houghton and clearly shown to be 50 years old and thus born in 1821, ten years after her actual baptism.
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In 1981 neither she nor her husband were found. But her husband had clearly died in 1872: see his probate information in his Will Note.
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In the 1879 edition of Burke’s landed Gentry, p. 1482, she was listed as the holder of the LittleHoughton estate. The article showed that her husband had died and showed no living relatives.
In the 1894 edition of Burke’s Landed gentry, p.1871, She appeared as the widow of her late husband but the occupant of Little Houghton House was her brother-in-law, Christopher Smyth and the latter’s children were Christopher and Emily Harriett, both of whom were married and the latter even had some children.
In the 1914 edition of Burke’s Landed Gentry, p.1740, She appeared only as the wife of the uncle of the present estate holder and she was not given any death date. They reported that the previous holder, Christopher, as in 1894, had died in 1897. The current holder, anoth Christopher had two daughters and heirs presumptive.
My guess is that Lucy had to leave the mansion as she no longer had title to is and drove a bit of bargain that gave her two servants to look after her in London. Or she was on a bit of holiday at the time of the 1891 census. Probably one of the Christopher’s brought her back to Little Houghton and she died pretty close and the current holder in 1914 was the one who registered her death in 1902.
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A last ditch attempt to find her in 1901: I searched all censuses for a Lucy C Smyth born in 1811 plus or minus ten years and found this entry which looks very much like hers as (a) her birth was in Northants, (b) she had with her the same lady’s maid as in 1891 in St George Hanover Square, London and (c) she had Mabel C Stopford with her who was indeed her niece, being the daughter of her brother James Sydney Stopford. The only issue was that her birth year was a decade out, possibly an understandable mistake. They were in a lodging house at Braddon Hall, Torquay, Tormoham, Newton Abbot, Devon:
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Emma Crute Head S F 52 1849 Lodging house keeper Torquay, Devon
Jane Kestell Prtnr M F 44 1857 Lodging house keeper Torquay, Devon
Florence Kestell Prtnr's dau S F 24 1877 - Torquay, Devon
Ann Crute Mother M F 79 1822 - Devon
William J Cousins Visitor S M 28 1873 Insurance broker Cardiff, Glamorgans, Wales
Hilda Sutton Visitor M F 26 1875 - London, Middlesex
Dick Sutton Visitor - M 7 1894 - London, Middlesex
L C Smyth Visitor W F 80 1821 - Northamptonshire
Mabel C Stopford Visitor S F 32 1869 - London, Middlesex
Ellen Waghorn Visitor S F 35 1866 Lady's maid Kent
Ref:
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 2059
Folio 147
Page 27
Combined: 1901 ref: RG13, piece 2059, folio 147, page 27
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[ Baton Seagrave > Bishop’s Trancripts . 1706-1812
“ Baptisms
“. . . .
“Lucy Charlotte Daughter of Richd. Bruce & Eleanor Stopford
“Baptized Decr. 8th. 1811
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Her death index:
Name: Age at Death (in years):
SMYTH, LUCY CHARLOTTE 90
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in HARDINGSTONE Volume 03B Page 17
Her ref: Death, Q1 of 1902, Hardingstone dist, vol 3B, p. 17
Hardingstone was the local registration district to Little Houghton where she had lived. Had she gone back there? Where was she living? Who registered her death? It sounds like only her death certificate would answer these questions. It might be worth doing an address search within the 1901 census.
_____________________
I have searched for her in all censuses and the only one that looks like it was her, apart from the fact that she was reported to be Single, is in 1891 when she was lodging, possibly accompanied by a lady’s maid AND a footman at a lodging house in St George Hanover Square, London:
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frederick W Phillis Head M M 47 1844 Lodging house keeper London, Middlesex
Ellen L Phillis Wife M F 47 1844 - Bungay, Suffolk
Kate Phillis Daur S F 21 1870 Assistant in lodging house Woodford, Essex
Ellen Phillis Daur S F 17 1874 Machinist Woodford, Essex
Nora Phillis Daur S F 14 1877 - Catford, Kent
Eliza Goste Serv S F 17 1874 Kitchen maid Yarmouth, Norfolk
Lucy Smyth Ldgr S F 81 1810 Living on own means Northampton, Northamptonshire
Ellen Wagham Serv S F 55 1836 Lady’s maid Catford, Kent
Frederick Langton Serv S M 17 1874 Footman Lincoln, Lincolnshire
Ref:
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 71
Folio 64
Page 9
Combined: 1891 ref: RG12, piece 71, folio 64, p. 9
For the moment I am not adding this to her source references but will first try to see what I can of her husband.
Her husband was found in 1861, he died in 1872, Lucy Charlotte was found in Devon in 1901 with both Ellen Waghorn, above, and her niece Mabel C Stopford. So this 1891 census entry has to be hers and i have added it as a reference for her life.
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This led to finding her in the 1861 census aged 47 and born in 1814, contradicting the above baptism information but explaining why my search based on her baptism year did not find her. This census gave also a bit more information on her husband at Houghton House, Little Houghton, Hardingstone, Northamptonshire, which was where he was living at the time of marriage:
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Smyth Head M M 52 1809 Magistrate landowner St Giles, Northamptonshire, England
Lucy C Smyth Wife M F 47 1814 Wife of wm smyth esgr Barton Seagrave, Northamptonshire, England
John Booty Serv U M 31 1830 House servant Norfolk, England
Philip Morters Serv U M 21 1840 House servant Mundesley, Norfolk, England
Elizabeth Traylen Serv U F 29 1832 House servant Ramsden Heath, Essex, England
Sarah Wesley Serv U F 22 1839 House servant Hardingstone, Northamptonshire, England
Clara Smith Serv U F 21 1840 House servant Lower Heyford, Northamptonshire, England
Elizabeth Chapman Serv - F 20 1841 House servant Surrey, England
Sarah Daniels Serv U F 29 1832 House servant Chelsea, Middlesex, England
Ref:
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 930
Folio 91
Page 14
Combined: 1861 ref: RG09, piece 930, folio 91, p. 14
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In the 1871 census she was still with her husband in Little Houghton and clearly shown to be 50 years old and thus born in 1821, ten years after her actual baptism.
__________________
In 1981 neither she nor her husband were found. But her husband had clearly died in 1872: see his probate information in his Will Note.
__________________
In the 1879 edition of Burke’s landed Gentry, p. 1482, she was listed as the holder of the LittleHoughton estate. The article showed that her husband had died and showed no living relatives.
In the 1894 edition of Burke’s Landed gentry, p.1871, She appeared as the widow of her late husband but the occupant of Little Houghton House was her brother-in-law, Christopher Smyth and the latter’s children were Christopher and Emily Harriett, both of whom were married and the latter even had some children.
In the 1914 edition of Burke’s Landed Gentry, p.1740, She appeared only as the wife of the uncle of the present estate holder and she was not given any death date. They reported that the previous holder, Christopher, as in 1894, had died in 1897. The current holder, anoth Christopher had two daughters and heirs presumptive.
My guess is that Lucy had to leave the mansion as she no longer had title to is and drove a bit of bargain that gave her two servants to look after her in London. Or she was on a bit of holiday at the time of the 1891 census. Probably one of the Christopher’s brought her back to Little Houghton and she died pretty close and the current holder in 1914 was the one who registered her death in 1902.
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A last ditch attempt to find her in 1901: I searched all censuses for a Lucy C Smyth born in 1811 plus or minus ten years and found this entry which looks very much like hers as (a) her birth was in Northants, (b) she had with her the same lady’s maid as in 1891 in St George Hanover Square, London and (c) she had Mabel C Stopford with her who was indeed her niece, being the daughter of her brother James Sydney Stopford. The only issue was that her birth year was a decade out, possibly an understandable mistake. They were in a lodging house at Braddon Hall, Torquay, Tormoham, Newton Abbot, Devon:
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Emma Crute Head S F 52 1849 Lodging house keeper Torquay, Devon
Jane Kestell Prtnr M F 44 1857 Lodging house keeper Torquay, Devon
Florence Kestell Prtnr's dau S F 24 1877 - Torquay, Devon
Ann Crute Mother M F 79 1822 - Devon
William J Cousins Visitor S M 28 1873 Insurance broker Cardiff, Glamorgans, Wales
Hilda Sutton Visitor M F 26 1875 - London, Middlesex
Dick Sutton Visitor - M 7 1894 - London, Middlesex
L C Smyth Visitor W F 80 1821 - Northamptonshire
Mabel C Stopford Visitor S F 32 1869 - London, Middlesex
Ellen Waghorn Visitor S F 35 1866 Lady's maid Kent
Ref:
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 2059
Folio 147
Page 27
Combined: 1901 ref: RG13, piece 2059, folio 147, page 27
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Notes for William & Lucy Charlotte (Family)
As ever, Ancestry is where I got the image of the register page from, transcript by me:
“ [ Page 5 ]
“1844. MARRIAGE solemnized By Bannes in the Church of Barton Seagrave
“ in the County of Northampton
“No: 10
“When Married: May 21st
His Hers
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“Name: William Smyth Lucy Charlotte Stopford
“Age: full age full age
“Condition: Bachelor Spinster
“Profession: Barrister -
“Residence: Little Houghton Barton Seagrave
“Father: William Tyler Smyth Richard Bruce Stopford
“Father’s job: Esquire Clerk
“Married in the parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Church of England by me,
“ G. P. Stopford, Rector of Warkton
“This marriage was solemnized between us, William Smythe, Lucy Charlotte Stopford
“in the presence of us, R B Stopford, H J Stopford, F. Smyth, L.S Paul
“ C. Smyth, Eleanor Stopford, C. H. Stopford,
“ A. M. Powys, Edith Powys, Lilford
What a bevy of Powyses in the Witnesses, 4 including Eleanor Stopford née Powys.
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“ [ Page 5 ]
“1844. MARRIAGE solemnized By Bannes in the Church of Barton Seagrave
“ in the County of Northampton
“No: 10
“When Married: May 21st
His Hers
=== ====
“Name: William Smyth Lucy Charlotte Stopford
“Age: full age full age
“Condition: Bachelor Spinster
“Profession: Barrister -
“Residence: Little Houghton Barton Seagrave
“Father: William Tyler Smyth Richard Bruce Stopford
“Father’s job: Esquire Clerk
“Married in the parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Church of England by me,
“ G. P. Stopford, Rector of Warkton
“This marriage was solemnized between us, William Smythe, Lucy Charlotte Stopford
“in the presence of us, R B Stopford, H J Stopford, F. Smyth, L.S Paul
“ C. Smyth, Eleanor Stopford, C. H. Stopford,
“ A. M. Powys, Edith Powys, Lilford
What a bevy of Powyses in the Witnesses, 4 including Eleanor Stopford née Powys.
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