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Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
NameFanny Rowe 
[3, Birth, Q1 of 1869, Wolstanton dist, vol 6B, p.163], [4, !891 ref: RG12, piece 2158, folio 112, p. 7]
[3, Birth, Q1 of 1869, Wolstanton dist, vol 6B, p.163], [4, !891 ref: RG12, piece 2158, folio 112, p. 7]Birthca Feb 1869, Wolstanton district, Staffs
General8th dau. She had 10 children.
FatherGeorge Rowe (1813-ca1886)
MotherMary Platt (1830-ca1881)
Spouses
Marriage22 Jul 1889, St Mary’s Church, Tunstall, Staffs [19, Marriage on 22 July 1889 at St Mary’s Church, Tunstall, Staffs]
Notes for Fanny Rowe
Her birth index:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
ROWE, FANNY PLATT
GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 163
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In 1889 a Fanny Rowe married one of Thomas Garner, Enoch Hopkins and Albert Gater in Wolstanton. Was this her?
The marriage register (again) says YES and her man was Albert Gater. See their Marriage Notes for details.
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In 1891 she and Albert has one son and definitely her sister Lavinia living with them at Lime Street, Wolstanton, Staffordshir:
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Albert Gater Head M M 25 1866 House painter Tunstall, Staffordshire
Fanny Gater Wife M F 21 1870 - Burslem, Staffordshire
Henry Gater Son - M 0 1891 - Tunstall, Staffordshire
Henry Lewis Brdr M M 24 1867 Potters printer Longport, Staffordshire
Lavinia Lewis Brdr M F 19 1872 Potters transferer Burslem, Staffordshire
Ref:
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 2158
Folio 112
Page 7
Combined: !891 ref: RG12, piece 2158, folio 112, p. 7
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In 1901 she and Albert had three more children and were living at 70, Victoria Street, Tunstall, Wolstanton, Staffordshire:
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Albert Gater Head M M 35 1866 House painter Tunstall, Staffordshire
Fanny Gater Wife M F 32 1869 - Burslem, Staffordshire
Henry Gater Son - M 10 1891 - Tunstall, Staffordshire
Lilly Gater Daur - F 4 1897 - Tunstall, Staffordshire
Minnie Gater Daur - F 2 1899 - Tunstall, Staffordshire
Albert Gater Son - M 0 1901 - Tunstall, Staffordshire
Ref:
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 2590
Folio 167
Page 12
Combined: 1901 ref: RG13, piece 2590, folio 167, p. 12
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In 1911 they had three more children and all seven were in the house together with their parents, though Fanny did report that she had had 10 children of whom three had died, at 5 Brick Kiln Row Tunstall Stoke in Trent, Tunstall, Staffordshire:
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Albert Gater Head M M 46 1865 House painter Tunstall Staff
Fanny Gater Wife M F 42 1869 - Burslem Staff
Henry Gater Son S M 20 1891 House painter Tunstall Staff
Lilly Gater Daur S F 14 1897 Tile factory fettler Tunstall Staff
Minnie Gater Daur - F 12 1899 School Tunstall Staff
Albert Gater Son - M 10 1901 School Tunstall Staff
Earnest Gater Son - M 5 1906 - Tunstall Staff
Horace Gater Son - M 3 1908 - Tunstall Staff
Fanny Gater Daur - F 1 1910 - Tunstall Staff
1911 ref: RG14 PN16474 RG78 PN1020 RD360 SD2 ED18 SN219
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Now to list the children from the registration information by a search for all Gater births with a mother’s maiden name of Rowe from 1889 to 1919:
FindMyPast produces 8 births:
Last name First name(s) Year Of Birth Location
Gater Henry 1891 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Gater Ada 1893 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Gater Lily 1896 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Gater Minnie 1898 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Gater Albert 1900 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Gater May 1902 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Gater Horace 1908 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Gater Frederick 1914 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
So far on FindMyPast:
Ernest was not (fully) registered but was on the census
Ada looks like she died
May looks like she died.
Frederick was added to the total of 10 to make it 11 births.
The GRO index produces:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
GATER, HENRY ROWE
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 132
GATER, ADA ROWE
GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 132
GATER, LILY ROWE
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 114
GATER, MINNIE ROWE
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 126
GATER, ALBERT ROWE
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 92
GATER, MAY ROWE
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 120
GATER, ARTHUR ROWE
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 126
GATER, ERNEST ROWE
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 115
GATER, HORACE ROWE
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 97
GATER, FREDERICK ROWE
GRO Reference: 1914 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 229
One missing…
I have been through the GRO again and this time allowed it to search all UK, not just Wolstanton. It made no difference, still only 10 in total including Frederick who appeared after the 1911 census.
An answer might be that one of the births just was not registered.
It might be worth seeing if any baptisms are on record. None found.
What did FindMyPast get wrong to have left out two people? They left out Arthur and Ernest.
For Arthur Gater there are two registrations, one in Wolstanton in 1903 and one in Stoke on Trent in 1904; neither have the mother’s maiden name. Curiously there are also two registrations the same for Arthur Rowe.
For Ernest Gater there are three registrations, one in Wolstanton in 1902, one again in Wolstanton in 1904 and an Ernest James in Stoke on Trent in 1903. All three have no mother’s maiden name. There are no parallel Rowe registrations. There are three Gater registrations in Wolstanton from 1902 to 1904:
Ernest in 1902, mother = Johnson,
Ernest in 1904, mother = Bailey,
‘blank’ in 1904, mother = Harris.
There are, in fact, 31 Gater registration between 1901 and 1905. I think I am chasing my tail on this one.
All I can find for Fanny’s children are 10 registered births up to the last in 1914. So that is her score.
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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
ROWE, FANNY PLATT
GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 163
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In 1889 a Fanny Rowe married one of Thomas Garner, Enoch Hopkins and Albert Gater in Wolstanton. Was this her?
The marriage register (again) says YES and her man was Albert Gater. See their Marriage Notes for details.
_________________________
In 1891 she and Albert has one son and definitely her sister Lavinia living with them at Lime Street, Wolstanton, Staffordshir:
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Albert Gater Head M M 25 1866 House painter Tunstall, Staffordshire
Fanny Gater Wife M F 21 1870 - Burslem, Staffordshire
Henry Gater Son - M 0 1891 - Tunstall, Staffordshire
Henry Lewis Brdr M M 24 1867 Potters printer Longport, Staffordshire
Lavinia Lewis Brdr M F 19 1872 Potters transferer Burslem, Staffordshire
Ref:
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 2158
Folio 112
Page 7
Combined: !891 ref: RG12, piece 2158, folio 112, p. 7
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In 1901 she and Albert had three more children and were living at 70, Victoria Street, Tunstall, Wolstanton, Staffordshire:
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Albert Gater Head M M 35 1866 House painter Tunstall, Staffordshire
Fanny Gater Wife M F 32 1869 - Burslem, Staffordshire
Henry Gater Son - M 10 1891 - Tunstall, Staffordshire
Lilly Gater Daur - F 4 1897 - Tunstall, Staffordshire
Minnie Gater Daur - F 2 1899 - Tunstall, Staffordshire
Albert Gater Son - M 0 1901 - Tunstall, Staffordshire
Ref:
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 2590
Folio 167
Page 12
Combined: 1901 ref: RG13, piece 2590, folio 167, p. 12
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In 1911 they had three more children and all seven were in the house together with their parents, though Fanny did report that she had had 10 children of whom three had died, at 5 Brick Kiln Row Tunstall Stoke in Trent, Tunstall, Staffordshire:
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Albert Gater Head M M 46 1865 House painter Tunstall Staff
Fanny Gater Wife M F 42 1869 - Burslem Staff
Henry Gater Son S M 20 1891 House painter Tunstall Staff
Lilly Gater Daur S F 14 1897 Tile factory fettler Tunstall Staff
Minnie Gater Daur - F 12 1899 School Tunstall Staff
Albert Gater Son - M 10 1901 School Tunstall Staff
Earnest Gater Son - M 5 1906 - Tunstall Staff
Horace Gater Son - M 3 1908 - Tunstall Staff
Fanny Gater Daur - F 1 1910 - Tunstall Staff
1911 ref: RG14 PN16474 RG78 PN1020 RD360 SD2 ED18 SN219
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Now to list the children from the registration information by a search for all Gater births with a mother’s maiden name of Rowe from 1889 to 1919:
FindMyPast produces 8 births:
Last name First name(s) Year Of Birth Location
Gater Henry 1891 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Gater Ada 1893 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Gater Lily 1896 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Gater Minnie 1898 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Gater Albert 1900 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Gater May 1902 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Gater Horace 1908 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Gater Frederick 1914 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
So far on FindMyPast:
Ernest was not (fully) registered but was on the census
Ada looks like she died
May looks like she died.
Frederick was added to the total of 10 to make it 11 births.
The GRO index produces:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
GATER, HENRY ROWE
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 132
GATER, ADA ROWE
GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 132
GATER, LILY ROWE
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 114
GATER, MINNIE ROWE
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 126
GATER, ALBERT ROWE
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 92
GATER, MAY ROWE
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 120
GATER, ARTHUR ROWE
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 126
GATER, ERNEST ROWE
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 115
GATER, HORACE ROWE
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 97
GATER, FREDERICK ROWE
GRO Reference: 1914 M Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 229
One missing…
I have been through the GRO again and this time allowed it to search all UK, not just Wolstanton. It made no difference, still only 10 in total including Frederick who appeared after the 1911 census.
An answer might be that one of the births just was not registered.
It might be worth seeing if any baptisms are on record. None found.
What did FindMyPast get wrong to have left out two people? They left out Arthur and Ernest.
For Arthur Gater there are two registrations, one in Wolstanton in 1903 and one in Stoke on Trent in 1904; neither have the mother’s maiden name. Curiously there are also two registrations the same for Arthur Rowe.
For Ernest Gater there are three registrations, one in Wolstanton in 1902, one again in Wolstanton in 1904 and an Ernest James in Stoke on Trent in 1903. All three have no mother’s maiden name. There are no parallel Rowe registrations. There are three Gater registrations in Wolstanton from 1902 to 1904:
Ernest in 1902, mother = Johnson,
Ernest in 1904, mother = Bailey,
‘blank’ in 1904, mother = Harris.
There are, in fact, 31 Gater registration between 1901 and 1905. I think I am chasing my tail on this one.
All I can find for Fanny’s children are 10 registered births up to the last in 1914. So that is her score.
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Notes for Albert & Fanny (Family)
The image of the marriage register is available on FindMyPast, transcript by me:
“ Page 130
“1889. Marriage solemnized at S. Mary’s Church in the Parish of Tunstall in the County of Stafford.
“No: 259
“When Married: 22nd July 1889
His Hers
“Name: Albert Gater Fanny Rowe
“Age: 24 20
“Condition: Bachelor Spinster
“Profession: House Painter -
“Residence: 7 Lime St. 8 Heath St. Burslem
“Father’s name: Henry Gater George Rowe
“Father’s job: House Painter Fireman
“Married in the S. Mary’s Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church
“ after Banns by me Percy Stowers(?)
“This Marriage was solemnized between us, Albert Gater Fanny Rowe
“In the Presence of us, William Parry, Alice Smallwood
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“ Page 130
“1889. Marriage solemnized at S. Mary’s Church in the Parish of Tunstall in the County of Stafford.
“No: 259
“When Married: 22nd July 1889
His Hers
“Name: Albert Gater Fanny Rowe
“Age: 24 20
“Condition: Bachelor Spinster
“Profession: House Painter -
“Residence: 7 Lime St. 8 Heath St. Burslem
“Father’s name: Henry Gater George Rowe
“Father’s job: House Painter Fireman
“Married in the S. Mary’s Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church
“ after Banns by me Percy Stowers(?)
“This Marriage was solemnized between us, Albert Gater Fanny Rowe
“In the Presence of us, William Parry, Alice Smallwood
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