Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Birth25 Jul 1959, Women’s Hospital Wolverhampton
Death18 Mar 2007, Rugeley, Staffs
GeneralOnly dau. In 1986: Export Sales Administrator.
FatherMichael Desmond McDermott (1930-2021)
MotherEunice Peggy May Eccleston (1932-2008)
Notes for Julie McDermott
TFPL, July 2021: These opening paragraphs indicate that I had severe problems discovering which record was the precise one for these people.  The problems were both that it possible for two different people to have the same names and second that many index records show only the initials for second and subsequent forenames.  A further problem can be that people change the names they are known by as their years pass.  I leave in these paragraphs so that you can see the story unfold.  At the end you can see that I now have what I hope to be the actuals records that belong to Julie, the co-grandparent of our only grandson.
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I cannot find an unambiguous record of her birth.  All that has been found so far is her birth date, of 25 Jul 1959, on her death certificate.

There are 2 people born in England and Wales with the precise name of Julie McDermott in 1959 exactly; there are four further people born in that year with an additional forename letter.  So I cannot identify her birth and it may have been abroad.  Her marriage certificate would identify her father and give confirmation of her age at marriage; this has now been obtained.

The six candidate birth records are:

                                Birth
   Last name  First name(s)  Year  Qtr  Location                       Mother’s maiden name
1. McDermott  Julie          1959   3   Liverpool South, Lancashire    McDermott
2. McDermott  Julie          1959   3   Wolverhampton, Staffordshire   Eccleston
3. McDermott  Julie A        1959   4   Woolwich, London               Needham
4. McDermott  Julie D        1959   3   Liverpool North, Lancashire    Smith
5. McDermott  Julie E        1959   1   Bradford, Yorkshire            Brassley
6. McDermott  Julie L        1959   4   Isle of Wight, Hampshire       Dimmick

Registrations are supposed to be done with two months of birth (or so, not sure).  Her birth was in Q3 so she should have been registered by the 25th September which is still in Q3, but could also have got delayed to Q4.  This reduces the candidates to certainly three and possibly 5.

If she was born where she died, in Staffs, this reduces the candidates to 1.  It might even be worth getting that birth certificate as it would give the full names of both parents and all this information might strike a resonant chord somewhere, or not.

But even if her name is discovered, the marriage of Julie’s parents is thought to have been in Ireland.  No information can be obtained about marriages there until seventy-five years after the event.  If they got married in 1955, it will not be until 2030 or 2031 that the marriage details can be revealed or obtained.
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Eccleston(e) has been confirmed for Julie’s mother’s maiden name,  The details for Julie’s birth registration index are:

First name(s)         Julie
Last name             McDermott
Birth quarter         3
Birth year            1959
Mother's maiden name  Eccleston
District              Wolverhampton
County                Staffordshire
Country               England
Volume                9B
Page                  1337
Record set            England & Wales Births 1837-2006

and the certificate has been ordered to give the full names of the public record for Julie’s parents.

3rd July 2021, TFPL: The certificate has arrived and the transcript is:

CERTIFIED COPY OF AN ENTRY OF BIRTH GIVEN AT THE GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE


                    Registration District:    Wolverhampton
1959 BIRTH in the sub-district of Wolverhampton West in the County of Wolverhampton

Certificate No:         484
Birth date and place:  
25 July 1959, Women’s Hospital Wolverhampton
Name:  
                 Julie
Sex:
                    Girl
Father’s name:
          Michael Desmond McDermott
Mother name w/maiden:
   Eunice Peggy May McDermott formerly ECCLESTON of 235 St Johns Road, Cannock
Father occupation:
      Gas Engineer.
Informant:  
            P. McDermott, Mother, 235 St John’s Road, Cannock
Reg date:               19th August 1959
Registrar:
              J Burndred
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Her death index from findMyPast from unspecified records:

Title              Mrs
First name(s)      Julie
Last name          Knight
Sex                Female
Age                48
Birth year         1959
Death year         2007
Death date         18 Mar 2007
Residence          Rugeley
Area               Walsall
Geo direction      West Midlands
Postcode area      WS
Postcode district  WS15
Postcode sector    WS15 3
County             Staffordshire
Country            England
Record set         United Kingdom Deaths

and, with more information:

Title              Mrs
First name(s)      Julie
Last name          Knight
Sex                Female
Age                48
Birth year       1959
Birth date         25 Jul 1959
Death year         2007
Death date         18 Mar 2007
Residence          Rugeley
Area               Walsall
Geo direction      West Midlands
Postcode area      WS
Postcode district  WS15
Postcode sector    WS15 3
County             Staffordshire
Country            England
Record set         United Kingdom Deaths
Category           Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

This second record with the precise birth date enabled the identification of her precise probate event.
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Will notes for Julie McDermott
Her probate index:

         First    Date of    Probate    Date of
Surname  name     probate    number      death     Document type   Registry
KNIGHT   JULIE  18 Mar 2008  2695481  18 Mar 2007  Grant and will  Birmingham
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Notes for Christopher John & Julie (Family)
Their marriage index:

First name(s)       CHRISTOPHER J
Last name           KNIGHT
Marriage quarter    1
Marriage year       1986
Registration month  3
MarriageFinder      CHRISTOPHER J KNIGHT married one of these people
                    Julie McDermott
Spouse's last name  McDermott
District            Cannock Chase
County              Staffordshire
Country             England
Volume              30
Page number         376
Record set          England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
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Their marriage certificate is needed to provide the names of their fathers and give a firm steer to their birth dates.

No birth record can be found for Julie McDermott.  I have not searched the Scottish records and I cannot access the Irish records until 100 years after her birth.

While Christopher J Knight’s probable birth records says his mother’s maiden name was turner, this turns up thirty Knight-Turner marriages within a few years of his possible birth year and with no means of finding which is that for his parents.  His birth certificate would also give the name of both his parents.
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Marriage cert arrived on 27 Jan 2020 and added:

Location:      St Joseph’s RC church, Lishfield St, Rugeley, Cannock Close, Staffs
Cert NO:       213
Date:          15 March 1986

               His                            Hers
Names:         Christopher John Knight        Julie McDermott
Ages:          32                             26
Condition:     Bachelor                       Spinster
Pank/Job:      Garage Repreistive             Export Sales Administrator
Residence:     3, St John’s Close,            29 West Butts Road, Etching Hill,
               Histing Mill, Rugeley          Rugeley
Father:        Kenneth Knight (deceased)      Michael D McDermott
Father job:    -                              Company Director

Witnesses:     Graham Packer, M R McDermott
Celebrant:     C. Fitzpatrick.
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Last Modified 3 Aug 2021Created 14 May 2022 by Tim Powys-Lybbe
Re-created by Tim Powys-Lybbe on 14 May 20220