Birth25 Jul 1959, Women’s Hospital Wolverhampton
Death18 Mar 2007, Rugeley, Staffs
GeneralOnly dau. In 1986: Export Sales Administrator.
Spouses
1Christopher John Knight [412, Marriage, Q3 of 1986, Cannock Chase dist, vol 30, p. 376], [412, Birth, Q1 of 1953, Cannock dist, vol 9B, p. 153]
Marriage15 Mar 1986, St Joseph’s RC church, Rugely, Staffs [412, Marriage, Q3 of 1986, Cannock Chase dist, vol 30, p. 376], [273, Marriage on 15 Mar 1986 at St Joseph’s EC church, Rugely, Staffs]
Notes for Julie McDermott
TFPL, July 2021: These opening paragraphs indicate that I had severe problems discovering which record was the precise one for these people. The problems were both that it possible for two different people to have the same names and second that many index records show only the initials for second and subsequent forenames. A further problem can be that people change the names they are known by as their years pass. I leave in these paragraphs so that you can see the story unfold. At the end you can see that I now have what I hope to be the actuals records that belong to Julie, the co-grandparent of our only grandson.
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I cannot find an unambiguous record of her birth. All that has been found so far is her birth date, of 25 Jul 1959, on her death certificate.
There are 2 people born in England and Wales with the precise name of Julie McDermott in 1959 exactly; there are four further people born in that year with an additional forename letter. So I cannot identify her birth and it may have been abroad. Her marriage certificate would identify her father and give confirmation of her age at marriage; this has now been obtained.
The six candidate birth records are:
Birth
Last name First name(s) Year Qtr Location Mother’s maiden name
1. McDermott Julie 1959 3 Liverpool South, Lancashire McDermott
2. McDermott Julie 1959 3 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire Eccleston
3. McDermott Julie A 1959 4 Woolwich, London Needham
4. McDermott Julie D 1959 3 Liverpool North, Lancashire Smith
5. McDermott Julie E 1959 1 Bradford, Yorkshire Brassley
6. McDermott Julie L 1959 4 Isle of Wight, Hampshire Dimmick
Registrations are supposed to be done with two months of birth (or so, not sure). Her birth was in Q3 so she should have been registered by the 25th September which is still in Q3, but could also have got delayed to Q4. This reduces the candidates to certainly three and possibly 5.
If she was born where she died, in Staffs, this reduces the candidates to 1. It might even be worth getting that birth certificate as it would give the full names of both parents and all this information might strike a resonant chord somewhere, or not.
But even if her name is discovered, the marriage of Julie’s parents is thought to have been in Ireland. No information can be obtained about marriages there until seventy-five years after the event. If they got married in 1955, it will not be until 2030 or 2031 that the marriage details can be revealed or obtained.
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Eccleston(e) has been confirmed for Julie’s mother’s maiden name, The details for Julie’s birth registration index are:
First name(s) Julie
Last name McDermott
Birth quarter 3
Birth year 1959
Mother's maiden name Eccleston
District Wolverhampton
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 9B
Page 1337
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
and the certificate has been ordered to give the full names of the public record for Julie’s parents.
3rd July 2021, TFPL: The certificate has arrived and the transcript is:
CERTIFIED COPY OF AN ENTRY OF BIRTH GIVEN AT THE GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE
Registration District: Wolverhampton
1959 BIRTH in the sub-district of Wolverhampton West in the County of Wolverhampton
Certificate No: 484
Birth date and place: 25 July 1959, Women’s Hospital Wolverhampton
Name: Julie
Sex: Girl
Father’s name: Michael Desmond McDermott
Mother name w/maiden: Eunice Peggy May McDermott formerly ECCLESTON of 235 St Johns Road, Cannock
Father occupation: Gas Engineer.
Informant: P. McDermott, Mother, 235 St John’s Road, Cannock
Reg date: 19th August 1959
Registrar: J Burndred
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Her death index from findMyPast from unspecified records:
Title Mrs
First name(s) Julie
Last name Knight
Sex Female
Age 48
Birth year 1959
Death year 2007
Death date 18 Mar 2007
Residence Rugeley
Area Walsall
Geo direction West Midlands
Postcode area WS
Postcode district WS15
Postcode sector WS15 3
County Staffordshire
Country England
Record set United Kingdom Deaths
and, with more information:
Title Mrs
First name(s) Julie
Last name Knight
Sex Female
Age 48
Birth year 1959
Birth date 25 Jul 1959
Death year 2007
Death date 18 Mar 2007
Residence Rugeley
Area Walsall
Geo direction West Midlands
Postcode area WS
Postcode district WS15
Postcode sector WS15 3
County Staffordshire
Country England
Record set United Kingdom Deaths
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
This second record with the precise birth date enabled the identification of her precise probate event.
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Will notes for Julie McDermott
Her probate index:
First Date of Probate Date of
Surname name probate number death Document type Registry
KNIGHT JULIE 18 Mar 2008 2695481 18 Mar 2007 Grant and will Birmingham
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Notes for Christopher John & Julie (Family)
Their marriage index:
First name(s) CHRISTOPHER J
Last name KNIGHT
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1986
Registration month 3
MarriageFinder CHRISTOPHER J KNIGHT married one of these people
Julie McDermott
Spouse's last name McDermott
District Cannock Chase
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 30
Page number 376
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
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Their marriage certificate is needed to provide the names of their fathers and give a firm steer to their birth dates.
No birth record can be found for Julie McDermott. I have not searched the Scottish records and I cannot access the Irish records until 100 years after her birth.
While Christopher J Knight’s probable birth records says his mother’s maiden name was turner, this turns up thirty Knight-Turner marriages within a few years of his possible birth year and with no means of finding which is that for his parents. His birth certificate would also give the name of both his parents.
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Marriage cert arrived on 27 Jan 2020 and added:
Location: St Joseph’s RC church, Lishfield St, Rugeley, Cannock Close, Staffs
Cert NO: 213
Date: 15 March 1986
His Hers
Names: Christopher John Knight Julie McDermott
Ages: 32 26
Condition: Bachelor Spinster
Pank/Job: Garage Repreistive Export Sales Administrator
Residence: 3, St John’s Close, 29 West Butts Road, Etching Hill,
Histing Mill, Rugeley Rugeley
Father: Kenneth Knight (deceased) Michael D McDermott
Father job: - Company Director
Witnesses: Graham Packer, M R McDermott
Celebrant: C. Fitzpatrick.
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