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NameMuriel de Courtenay 
[60, Dinham art, Vol IV, p. 369 seq], [60, Hungerford art, Vol VI, p. 613 seq], [60, Moels art, Vol IX, p. 1 seq], [76, p.130]
[60, Dinham art, Vol IV, p. 369 seq], [60, Hungerford art, Vol VI, p. 613 seq], [60, Moels art, Vol IX, p. 1 seq], [76, p.130]Deathbef 12 Aug 1369
BurialHartland Abbey
GeneralElder dau. and co-heir, in her issue, to her bro. Hugh.
FatherSir Thomas de Courtenay (-1362)
MotherMuriel de Moeles (ca1322-)
Spouses
Marriagebef 27 Mar 1357 [100, John Ravilous, 24 Feb 2004, "Sir John de Dinham and Muriel de Courtenay"]
Notes for John de & Muriel de (Family)
From: therav3@aol.com (John Ravilious)
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Subject: CP Correction: Sir John de Dinham and Muriel de Courtenay
Date: 24 Feb 2004 03:35:33 -0800
Tuesday, 24 February, 2004
Hello All,
The exact date of the marriage of Sir John de Dinham (d. 7 Jan
1382/83) and Muriel de Courtenay is unknown, and has been defined to
date only by the approximation of the birth of their son John,
evidently born before 12 August 1359 as he was 'aged 10 and more'
at the date of the IPM of his uncle Hugh de Courtenay (12 Aug
1369) [1].
The record of a gift of certain manors in Devon and Cornwall has
been found on the PRO site, which evidences that John de Dinham and
Muriel de Courtenay were married no later than 27 March 1357. As
the manors conveyed by this gift were previously held by the Dinham
family, this is the 2nd part of a pair of transactions to
convey these manors to the wedded couple (held previously either by
John de Dinham himself - he was likely aged 37 or 38 at the time -
or by his mother Margaret or grandmother 'Lady Margaret d'Uvedale'
who were both then living). The fact that William de Winkelton
(or 'Wynkaulton') was the rector of Morleigh, Devon and had been
presented by Isabel de Fissacre, mother of Margaret de Hydon (aka
Margaret d'Uvedale) in 1328 [2] would seem to point to the latter
as a likely participant in the gift of these manors.
I should also note that Muriel's parents, Sir Thomas de
Courtenay and Muriel de Moels, were married shortly before
27 August 1337 (date of pardon for their marrying without
licence), which would point to a birthdate for Muriel
de Courtenay no earlier than say Jan 1337/38. Her marriage
to Sir John de Dinham (and the presumption of her being no
less than 14 at that time) as dated above would point to her
being born no later than 27 March 1343, and most likely somewhat
earlier.
Hope this is of interest.
Cheers,
John *
" Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice
[AR/1/528 - AR/1/1121]
Reference: AR/1/890
Creation dates: 1357, Monday 27th Mar
Scope and Content
(Monday after Annunciation, 31 Edw III); at Ilstyngton
Gift
William de Wynkaulton, chaplain, Nicholas de la Pomeray, and
Thomas de Stafforde = (1)-(3)
Sir John de Dyneham, knight, and Muriel his wife = (4)-(5)
(1)-(3) to (4)-(5), their manors of Ilstyngton, Matforde,
Southdon, Bodardel and Gorlyn, with all appurtenances; for
(4)-(5) and the heirs and assigns of (4) to hold of the chief
lords of the fee, by services due. Warranty.
[Witnesses:] Richard de Merton, Theobald de Greyneuile,
Thomas de Raleghe, John de Ferariis, knights, John Dabernoun,
Thomas de Crauwelthorne, John Fraunceys, Matthew Beaumond,
William Holebern. " [3]
NOTES
[1] CP IV, sub Dinham. Thanks to Chris Phillips for verifying
the (lack of) evidence given therein.
[2] " William de Wynkeaultone, instituted to parish of Morleghe
[Devon] in 1328 (patron Isabel de Fyssacre), Reg. Grandisson,
III, 1264 " - PRO, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne
and Trerice [AR/1/528 - AR/1/1121], AR/1/631 dated 25 Aug 1346.
[3] PRO, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice
[AR/1/528 - AR/1/1121], AR/1/890.
* John P. Ravilious
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Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Subject: CP Correction: Sir John de Dinham and Muriel de Courtenay
Date: 24 Feb 2004 03:35:33 -0800
Tuesday, 24 February, 2004
Hello All,
The exact date of the marriage of Sir John de Dinham (d. 7 Jan
1382/83) and Muriel de Courtenay is unknown, and has been defined to
date only by the approximation of the birth of their son John,
evidently born before 12 August 1359 as he was 'aged 10 and more'
at the date of the IPM of his uncle Hugh de Courtenay (12 Aug
1369) [1].
The record of a gift of certain manors in Devon and Cornwall has
been found on the PRO site, which evidences that John de Dinham and
Muriel de Courtenay were married no later than 27 March 1357. As
the manors conveyed by this gift were previously held by the Dinham
family, this is the 2nd part of a pair of transactions to
convey these manors to the wedded couple (held previously either by
John de Dinham himself - he was likely aged 37 or 38 at the time -
or by his mother Margaret or grandmother 'Lady Margaret d'Uvedale'
who were both then living). The fact that William de Winkelton
(or 'Wynkaulton') was the rector of Morleigh, Devon and had been
presented by Isabel de Fissacre, mother of Margaret de Hydon (aka
Margaret d'Uvedale) in 1328 [2] would seem to point to the latter
as a likely participant in the gift of these manors.
I should also note that Muriel's parents, Sir Thomas de
Courtenay and Muriel de Moels, were married shortly before
27 August 1337 (date of pardon for their marrying without
licence), which would point to a birthdate for Muriel
de Courtenay no earlier than say Jan 1337/38. Her marriage
to Sir John de Dinham (and the presumption of her being no
less than 14 at that time) as dated above would point to her
being born no later than 27 March 1343, and most likely somewhat
earlier.
Hope this is of interest.
Cheers,
John *
" Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice
[AR/1/528 - AR/1/1121]
Reference: AR/1/890
Creation dates: 1357, Monday 27th Mar
Scope and Content
(Monday after Annunciation, 31 Edw III); at Ilstyngton
Gift
William de Wynkaulton, chaplain, Nicholas de la Pomeray, and
Thomas de Stafforde = (1)-(3)
Sir John de Dyneham, knight, and Muriel his wife = (4)-(5)
(1)-(3) to (4)-(5), their manors of Ilstyngton, Matforde,
Southdon, Bodardel and Gorlyn, with all appurtenances; for
(4)-(5) and the heirs and assigns of (4) to hold of the chief
lords of the fee, by services due. Warranty.
[Witnesses:] Richard de Merton, Theobald de Greyneuile,
Thomas de Raleghe, John de Ferariis, knights, John Dabernoun,
Thomas de Crauwelthorne, John Fraunceys, Matthew Beaumond,
William Holebern. " [3]
NOTES
[1] CP IV, sub Dinham. Thanks to Chris Phillips for verifying
the (lack of) evidence given therein.
[2] " William de Wynkeaultone, instituted to parish of Morleghe
[Devon] in 1328 (patron Isabel de Fyssacre), Reg. Grandisson,
III, 1264 " - PRO, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne
and Trerice [AR/1/528 - AR/1/1121], AR/1/631 dated 25 Aug 1346.
[3] PRO, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice
[AR/1/528 - AR/1/1121], AR/1/890.
* John P. Ravilious
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