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NameJohn The Constable 
[54, His own co-article to his son John de Lacy], [60, Lincoln art, Vol VII, p. 676-677], [119, Johannes Constabularius Cestrie article, p. 250], [121, Pontefract, Yorks barony (2nd class), p. 138], [289, FitzWilliam chapter, pp. 348-350]
[54, His own co-article to his son John de Lacy], [60, Lincoln art, Vol VII, p. 676-677], [119, Johannes Constabularius Cestrie article, p. 250], [121, Pontefract, Yorks barony (2nd class), p. 138], [289, FitzWilliam chapter, pp. 348-350]Birthca 1152
Death11 Oct 1190, Tyre, while on crusade
GeneralConstable of Chester. In charge of Dublin: 1181.
FatherRichard FitzEustace (-<1157)
MotherAlbreda de Lisours
Notes for John The Constable
Feudal baron (2nd class) of Pontefract, Yorks.
Constable of Chester.
Founded Stanlaw Abbey, Cheshire c. 1172 and the hospital of Castle Donington.
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According to Dugdale's 1584-5 Yorks visitaiton he had a younger son Robert whi was given flamborough by his elder brother Roger and was the ancestor of the Constables of Flamborough. No evidence as yet! But see Early Yorkshire charters, Vol XII, The Tison Fee for confirmation.
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Constable of Chester.
Founded Stanlaw Abbey, Cheshire c. 1172 and the hospital of Castle Donington.
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According to Dugdale's 1584-5 Yorks visitaiton he had a younger son Robert whi was given flamborough by his elder brother Roger and was the ancestor of the Constables of Flamborough. No evidence as yet! But see Early Yorkshire charters, Vol XII, The Tison Fee for confirmation.
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Arms Generally notes for John The Constable
The Dictionary of British Arms, Medieval Ordinary, vol 2, p. 97 has this entry:
Barry wavy Gu and Erm (of 6) for Sire Johan de Lacy.
It is just possible that these arms were those of or invented for this John.
Later by TFPL, Mar 2010: See his maternal gt-grandfather, Robert II de lacy for an account of why the above arms are wrong. It is quite clear that he bore the much same arms as his grandson, the label apart:
Barry wavy Gu and Erm (of 6) for Sire Johan de Lacy.
It is just possible that these arms were those of or invented for this John.
Later by TFPL, Mar 2010: See his maternal gt-grandfather, Robert II de lacy for an account of why the above arms are wrong. It is quite clear that he bore the much same arms as his grandson, the label apart:
Armorial Blazon notes for John The Constable
Quarterly or and gules a bend sable and a label of 7 points argent.
Blazon source notes for John The Constable
The Dictionary of British Arms, Medieval Ordinary, vol 1, p. 364.
DNB Main notes for John The Constable
Co-subject: Lacy, John de
Dates: d. 1190
Active Date: 1170
Gender: Male
Field of Interest: Military, Religion and Occultism
Occupation: Crusader
John de Lacy d. 1190 was son of Richard FitzEustace, constable of Chester, by Alberda, daughter of Robert de Lisours and Alberda, aunt of Robert de Lacy (d. 1193), the last male representative of Ilbert de Lacy, who came over at the Conquest (Herald and Genealogist, vii. 182). John de Lacy assumed his cousin's name as heir to his estates. He was in charge of Dublin in 1181, and, going on the crusade, died at Tyre on 11 Oct. 1190 (Girald. Cambr. v. 355; Hoveden, ii. 253, iii. 88). John de Lacy founded Stanlaw Abbey, Cheshire, about 1172; it was afterwards transferred to Whalley in 1296, by his descendant Henry de Lacy, third earl of Lincoln [q.v.]. The charter, dated 1178, is printed by Dugdale. John de Lacy also founded the hospital of Castle Donington (Mon. Angl. vi. 639, 641, 765).
Dates: d. 1190
Active Date: 1170
Gender: Male
Field of Interest: Military, Religion and Occultism
Occupation: Crusader
John de Lacy d. 1190 was son of Richard FitzEustace, constable of Chester, by Alberda, daughter of Robert de Lisours and Alberda, aunt of Robert de Lacy (d. 1193), the last male representative of Ilbert de Lacy, who came over at the Conquest (Herald and Genealogist, vii. 182). John de Lacy assumed his cousin's name as heir to his estates. He was in charge of Dublin in 1181, and, going on the crusade, died at Tyre on 11 Oct. 1190 (Girald. Cambr. v. 355; Hoveden, ii. 253, iii. 88). John de Lacy founded Stanlaw Abbey, Cheshire, about 1172; it was afterwards transferred to Whalley in 1296, by his descendant Henry de Lacy, third earl of Lincoln [q.v.]. The charter, dated 1178, is printed by Dugdale. John de Lacy also founded the hospital of Castle Donington (Mon. Angl. vi. 639, 641, 765).