Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
NamePercy Cunliffe Powys 
[4, 1901, PRO ref RG 13/1371, for Rofford House, Chalgrove, Oxon], [44, May 2002], [43, 1881, Kingsclear, York, New Brunswick, FHL film 1375817]
[4, 1901, PRO ref RG 13/1371, for Rofford House, Chalgrove, Oxon], [44, May 2002], [43, 1881, Kingsclear, York, New Brunswick, FHL film 1375817]Birth27 Aug 1867, Frederickton, New Brunswick, Canada
Death25 Nov 1927
GeneralOf Garden Creek, Frederickton, New Brunswick. 1915: Surveyor and Engineer.
FatherCaptain William Cunliffe Powys (1841-1890)
MotherConstance Ellen Powys (1837-1923)
Spouses
Marriage12 Apr 1893 [44, May 2002]
ChildrenConstance Gwendolen (1894-1984)
Beverley Cunliffe (1896-1916)
Alice Constance Robinson (1898-1991)
Margaret Lybbe (1901-1956)
Notes for Percy Cunliffe Powys
In the 1901 census he, it seems, was working as a farmer for his uncle Rev Charles Richard Powys, at Rofford House, Chalgrove, Oxon, aged 33 and born in New Brunswick, Canada. (So where was his wife that he had supposedly married 8 years previously?) May 2012: The Canadian 1901 census has him as a farmer in Canada, again aged 33; I wonder if Rev C R Powys had gone gaga?
Oct, 2011, TFPL: Just found an entry for his birth on the Overseas Births register. This was described as “Army Birth” in New Brunswick (Canada). So my guess is the his parents were stationed there at the time. My further guess is that his father’s army service explains the different birth places (Ireland and England) for subsequent children, terminating with John who also was born in New Brunswick, almost certainly after his father had left the army.
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In the 1911 census he and his family had moved to 194 Sherbrook, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada and he was an engineer. Their daughter Margaret also appears in this census.
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His claimed photo, found on the Vancouver Archives site <http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/;search?query=powys>; is dated as c.1880 when he would have been 13. Noone in this photo quite looks that age.
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TFPL, Oct 2011: His birth index:
First name(s) PERCY CUNLIFFE
Last name POWYS
Birth year 1860-67
Place NEW BRUNSWICK
Country CANADA
Record source GRO Army Chaplains Birth Indices (1796 to 1880)
Page 541
Record set British nationals armed forces births 1761-2005
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Aug 2018, TFPL: His Canadian military records have been released. A copy has been taken, too large to go in this file, but filed on my computer. Significant points are that:
he was born in Fredericton,
that he joined up on Aug 25, 1915,
he was a Surveyor and engineer,
had been in the North West Mounted Police,
he was taken on as a Gunner and went to France on 13 Jul 1916,
served with 37th Battery, 10th Brigade, C.F.A.
served in Belgium and France,
returned to England on 1 Oct 1918,
probably discharged on 26 Dec 1918,
definitely discharged in Canada on 10 Jan 1919
at discharge he was recorded as in first class condition though still with “3 inch oblique scar near(?) surface upper third right arm caused by bull’s horn 1900”,
he sailed for Canada on 7 Dec 1918,
he paid his wife Susan £25 a month for 2 months when enlisted but thereafter £20 a month, possibly this was a ‘separation allowance’ paid tto her.
In 1917 she received a total of £1195 of ’separation and assigned pay’,
on 23 Oct 1918 he was judged to be suffering from senility on account of age [a mere 51] - see report helow
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Report on his Senility:
6. HISTORY OF THE CASE
“Was a farmer and surveyor in civil life. Five(?) years ago had a bad attack of good poisining which was followed by a nervous breakdown. He thinks that he has entirely recovered from this.
“Joined army May 25 1916. Came to Eng[land] Feb 1916 with 37 Battery. Did full artillery teaining in Eng. & Canada. Was never sick or had any complaints. Went to France July 13 1916 with his Battery carried on H.Q.(?) staff & m???? orderly till June 1st 1918. The duties were not heavy and he carried on without complaint & difficulty. Sent to Base June 1st [19]18 because of his age. Joined 24 Co GFC in France as 8th(?) man. Was put on hard manual labour which he could not do. Was then put on light work till he was evacuated on Sept 10 1918. Was then evacuated because he could not stand hard work,
“Documentary nutts(?), nil. Finding of Stand(?). Bob Staples Sept 16 1918”
7. PRESENT CONDITION
“Subjective Complains of muscular stiffneww on much working. Has wound(?) and cannot move quickly.
“Objective Fairly well marked arteries. Scelerosis and other degenerative changes which are slightly in advance of his years. No other organic lesions(?) can be found & ????????????? is negative. His pulse is slightly rapid (100 standing) and show signs of slight nervousness.
“On account of degenerative changes of age his is not considered fit for continuous manual work in the army. He did hard work in France over 2 years and finally found it impossible to carry on.”
10. “Recommendation: Fit of base duty? B Three (not likely to ???? within 6 months)”
Date: 23/10/18 signed by a medical Captain.
Countersigned by a Major SMO on Oct 28 1918.
Proceedings of Medical Board on the Soldier Mentioned
q8: Remarks:
“This man is a fairly marked picture of age condition as described in Question seven
Board meeting date: Oct 30 1918. Station: Sunningdale
Approved: 7 Nov 1918
Curiously, though, at discharge in Canada there is none of this and he signed that he had no reservation about what was on the discharge papers (possibly because he had had enough and wished only to get out of the army) His signature in 1919 was virtually the same as that in 1915 when enlisted.
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Oct, 2011, TFPL: Just found an entry for his birth on the Overseas Births register. This was described as “Army Birth” in New Brunswick (Canada). So my guess is the his parents were stationed there at the time. My further guess is that his father’s army service explains the different birth places (Ireland and England) for subsequent children, terminating with John who also was born in New Brunswick, almost certainly after his father had left the army.
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In the 1911 census he and his family had moved to 194 Sherbrook, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada and he was an engineer. Their daughter Margaret also appears in this census.
______________
His claimed photo, found on the Vancouver Archives site <http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/;search?query=powys>; is dated as c.1880 when he would have been 13. Noone in this photo quite looks that age.
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TFPL, Oct 2011: His birth index:
First name(s) PERCY CUNLIFFE
Last name POWYS
Birth year 1860-67
Place NEW BRUNSWICK
Country CANADA
Record source GRO Army Chaplains Birth Indices (1796 to 1880)
Page 541
Record set British nationals armed forces births 1761-2005
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Aug 2018, TFPL: His Canadian military records have been released. A copy has been taken, too large to go in this file, but filed on my computer. Significant points are that:
he was born in Fredericton,
that he joined up on Aug 25, 1915,
he was a Surveyor and engineer,
had been in the North West Mounted Police,
he was taken on as a Gunner and went to France on 13 Jul 1916,
served with 37th Battery, 10th Brigade, C.F.A.
served in Belgium and France,
returned to England on 1 Oct 1918,
probably discharged on 26 Dec 1918,
definitely discharged in Canada on 10 Jan 1919
at discharge he was recorded as in first class condition though still with “3 inch oblique scar near(?) surface upper third right arm caused by bull’s horn 1900”,
he sailed for Canada on 7 Dec 1918,
he paid his wife Susan £25 a month for 2 months when enlisted but thereafter £20 a month, possibly this was a ‘separation allowance’ paid tto her.
In 1917 she received a total of £1195 of ’separation and assigned pay’,
on 23 Oct 1918 he was judged to be suffering from senility on account of age [a mere 51] - see report helow
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Report on his Senility:
6. HISTORY OF THE CASE
“Was a farmer and surveyor in civil life. Five(?) years ago had a bad attack of good poisining which was followed by a nervous breakdown. He thinks that he has entirely recovered from this.
“Joined army May 25 1916. Came to Eng[land] Feb 1916 with 37 Battery. Did full artillery teaining in Eng. & Canada. Was never sick or had any complaints. Went to France July 13 1916 with his Battery carried on H.Q.(?) staff & m???? orderly till June 1st 1918. The duties were not heavy and he carried on without complaint & difficulty. Sent to Base June 1st [19]18 because of his age. Joined 24 Co GFC in France as 8th(?) man. Was put on hard manual labour which he could not do. Was then put on light work till he was evacuated on Sept 10 1918. Was then evacuated because he could not stand hard work,
“Documentary nutts(?), nil. Finding of Stand(?). Bob Staples Sept 16 1918”
7. PRESENT CONDITION
“Subjective Complains of muscular stiffneww on much working. Has wound(?) and cannot move quickly.
“Objective Fairly well marked arteries. Scelerosis and other degenerative changes which are slightly in advance of his years. No other organic lesions(?) can be found & ????????????? is negative. His pulse is slightly rapid (100 standing) and show signs of slight nervousness.
“On account of degenerative changes of age his is not considered fit for continuous manual work in the army. He did hard work in France over 2 years and finally found it impossible to carry on.”
10. “Recommendation: Fit of base duty? B Three (not likely to ???? within 6 months)”
Date: 23/10/18 signed by a medical Captain.
Countersigned by a Major SMO on Oct 28 1918.
Proceedings of Medical Board on the Soldier Mentioned
q8: Remarks:
“This man is a fairly marked picture of age condition as described in Question seven
Board meeting date: Oct 30 1918. Station: Sunningdale
Approved: 7 Nov 1918
Curiously, though, at discharge in Canada there is none of this and he signed that he had no reservation about what was on the discharge papers (possibly because he had had enough and wished only to get out of the army) His signature in 1919 was virtually the same as that in 1915 when enlisted.
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