Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
NameJohn Powys (Junior) 
[29, Section C], [56, Salop 1663, C of A Ms; Ref C35/84v.85]
[29, Section C], [56, Salop 1663, C of A Ms; Ref C35/84v.85]Birthbef 29 Nov 1572
Deathbef 1622
General3rd surv. s. of 2nd marr; 4th surv. s. overall. ”Late of Snitton and now of Greete, yeoman" - his will.
FatherWilliam Powys (of Ludlow) (1494-1577)
MotherMargaret Rowbury (-1613)
Notes for John Powys (Junior)
Martin P-L writes:
His father, William, did not assist genealogists by naming no less than four of his children John. There was John of London, by his first wife; a John who died in infancy; a lame son John, and this one, born 1572, some 12 years after his brother Thomas. Goodness knows why he was given the name. For a long time, Mary Creaser and I thought he could not possibly be a son of WILLIAM, just for this reason.
John Junior (as John of Snitton was known) first appears in 1596 when, with his brother Thomas, he buys le Hale; and again in 1604, on his own, when he buys Whitton's meadow in Hilluppen Cote, next to le Hale. His next appearance is in 1613 as a witness to his mother's will (his signature there being identical to that on his own will, made six years later.)
For his marriage to Thomas's stepdaughter, Susan, see the previous section.
By 1622 he is dead, since Thomas sues his brother's widow in that year.
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He is the head of a line known in an old family notebook as "Powys of Berwick House", with the Powyses dying out in 1851.
Interestingly a ggg-granddaughter Helen Powys married in 1859 a Thomas Greenwood of Crayke, Co Ebor. Might he have any connection to the Yorkshire or Berkshire Greenwoods, from the latter of whom the P-Ls are descended?
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TFPL in 2016, from Martin’s account of Thomas, the elder brother of this John:
John junior, this John, had left £100 in his will for his three younger children. Thomas, eldest son of John, had to sue his uncle Thomas, with his mother Susan assisting, for the £100 due to his younger siblings. As yet, the names of these siblings is not known.
But it does sound as if John and Susan had, from these surviving documents that Martin found, at least four children in all.
There are some children of a John Powis or Powes in the Ludlow baptisms register but none of them is Thomas. If they were living at Snitton, which church would they have been baptised in and do any records survive?
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TFPL, Sep 2004, from Ancestry.com
Shropshire: Ludlow - Parish Registers, Hereford Diocese
Christenings
Christenings
Anno Dni. 1559
County: Shropshire
Country: England
09 Jan 1596 Elinor, d. John Powys.
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and, from the same:
Shropshire: Ludlow - Parish Registers, Hereford Diocese
Christenings
Christenings
Anno Dni. 1559
County: Shropshire
Country: England
24 Jun 1562 John Powys.
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and also from the same:
Shropshire: Ludlow - Parish Registers, Hereford Diocese
Christenings
Christenings
Anno Dni. 1559
County: Shropshire
Country: England
06 Oct 1588 John, b. s. John Powys
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And yet again:
Shropshire: Oldbury, Church Preen, Badger, Burford, Willey, Neen Sollars, Milson - Parish Registers, Hereford Diocese
Marriages from 1813 to 1836.
The Parish Register of Burford.
1611.
County: Shropshire
Country: England
20 Oct 1618 John Powys bur.
Aug 2017, TFPL: FindMyPast has produced scans of this burial register but gives no further information than his name. It could still be him though.
Jan 2020, TFPL: FindAGrave has produced this burial information:
John Powys
BIRTH unknown
DEATH Oct 1618
BURIAL St Mary's Churchyard, Burford, Shropshire Unitary Authority, Shropshire, England Add to Map
MEMORIAL ID 186954914 · View Source
Note: According to the parish register, John Powys was buried on 20 Oct 1618.
(Source: Fletcher, W.G.D. “Burford.” Shropshire Parish Registers. Diocese of Hereford, Vol. 16.
SPRS, 1915.33.)
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Thought to be Of Bryndrincok, Clun, leased in 1657 from Hon Henry Howard for 99 years. No, that was his son who referred to himself as 'of Bryndrynocke' and who referred to his father as 'of Greete'.
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FamilySearch has this christening entry, but no father’s name:
name: John Powys
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 29 Nov 1572
baptism/christening place: LUDLOW,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
indexing project (batch) number: P00680-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 599486
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His father, William, did not assist genealogists by naming no less than four of his children John. There was John of London, by his first wife; a John who died in infancy; a lame son John, and this one, born 1572, some 12 years after his brother Thomas. Goodness knows why he was given the name. For a long time, Mary Creaser and I thought he could not possibly be a son of WILLIAM, just for this reason.
John Junior (as John of Snitton was known) first appears in 1596 when, with his brother Thomas, he buys le Hale; and again in 1604, on his own, when he buys Whitton's meadow in Hilluppen Cote, next to le Hale. His next appearance is in 1613 as a witness to his mother's will (his signature there being identical to that on his own will, made six years later.)
For his marriage to Thomas's stepdaughter, Susan, see the previous section.
By 1622 he is dead, since Thomas sues his brother's widow in that year.
_________________________________________________________
He is the head of a line known in an old family notebook as "Powys of Berwick House", with the Powyses dying out in 1851.
Interestingly a ggg-granddaughter Helen Powys married in 1859 a Thomas Greenwood of Crayke, Co Ebor. Might he have any connection to the Yorkshire or Berkshire Greenwoods, from the latter of whom the P-Ls are descended?
_________________________________________________________
TFPL in 2016, from Martin’s account of Thomas, the elder brother of this John:
John junior, this John, had left £100 in his will for his three younger children. Thomas, eldest son of John, had to sue his uncle Thomas, with his mother Susan assisting, for the £100 due to his younger siblings. As yet, the names of these siblings is not known.
But it does sound as if John and Susan had, from these surviving documents that Martin found, at least four children in all.
There are some children of a John Powis or Powes in the Ludlow baptisms register but none of them is Thomas. If they were living at Snitton, which church would they have been baptised in and do any records survive?
____________________
TFPL, Sep 2004, from Ancestry.com
Shropshire: Ludlow - Parish Registers, Hereford Diocese
Christenings
Christenings
Anno Dni. 1559
County: Shropshire
Country: England
09 Jan 1596 Elinor, d. John Powys.
_________________________________________________________
and, from the same:
Shropshire: Ludlow - Parish Registers, Hereford Diocese
Christenings
Christenings
Anno Dni. 1559
County: Shropshire
Country: England
24 Jun 1562 John Powys.
_________________________________________________________
and also from the same:
Shropshire: Ludlow - Parish Registers, Hereford Diocese
Christenings
Christenings
Anno Dni. 1559
County: Shropshire
Country: England
06 Oct 1588 John, b. s. John Powys
_________________________________________________________
And yet again:
Shropshire: Oldbury, Church Preen, Badger, Burford, Willey, Neen Sollars, Milson - Parish Registers, Hereford Diocese
Marriages from 1813 to 1836.
The Parish Register of Burford.
1611.
County: Shropshire
Country: England
20 Oct 1618 John Powys bur.
Aug 2017, TFPL: FindMyPast has produced scans of this burial register but gives no further information than his name. It could still be him though.
Jan 2020, TFPL: FindAGrave has produced this burial information:
John Powys
BIRTH unknown
DEATH Oct 1618
BURIAL St Mary's Churchyard, Burford, Shropshire Unitary Authority, Shropshire, England Add to Map
MEMORIAL ID 186954914 · View Source
Note: According to the parish register, John Powys was buried on 20 Oct 1618.
(Source: Fletcher, W.G.D. “Burford.” Shropshire Parish Registers. Diocese of Hereford, Vol. 16.
SPRS, 1915.33.)
_________________________________________________________
Thought to be Of Bryndrincok, Clun, leased in 1657 from Hon Henry Howard for 99 years. No, that was his son who referred to himself as 'of Bryndrynocke' and who referred to his father as 'of Greete'.
_________________
FamilySearch has this christening entry, but no father’s name:
name: John Powys
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 29 Nov 1572
baptism/christening place: LUDLOW,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
indexing project (batch) number: P00680-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 599486
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Notes for John & Susan (Family)
Martin recites first that Susan was two when Thomas Powys married her mother, jane, in 1584 and second that Susan married Thomas’ younger brother John when she came of age. If the latter was at 21 (though the age of girls to get married could be a slow as 16 (eg Isabella Lybbe in 1730), the marriage of John and Susan was in 1603. QED?