Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
NameRoger Anthony Dickin 
[32, The will of his father Robert Dickin, probate on 1 Feb 1988]
[32, The will of his father Robert Dickin, probate on 1 Feb 1988]Birthca 1958
GeneralAt marriage he was a banker.
FatherThomas Lloyd Robert Spencer Dickin (ca1918-1987)
MotherHilda Hardman
Spouses
Marriage21 May 1983, St Clement’s church, Urmston, Trafford, Lancashire [3, Marriage, Q2 of 1983, Trafford dist, vol 39, p. 1572], [5, Marriage on 21 May 1983 at St Clement’s church, Urmston, Trafford, Lancs]
Notes for Roger Anthony Dickin
It seems that Roger Anthony Dickin was adopted, or at least that is what his father’s mother wrote in her will. His father refers to him only as ‘my son Roger Anthony Dickin’. And no evidence can be found for his birth, which is to be expected for an adoption.
This gives us enough public documents to declare that Roger was real.
In addition Roger named his father in his marriage certificate. So the relationship was recognised in both directions, up and down.
His father stated that Roger had a wife, Angela, and provided for her in his will if Roger predeceased him. So Angela must be found and any children found too.
At marriage on 21st May 1983 he was aged 24. So he was born between 22nd May 1958 and 21st May 1959. Inevitably, still no birth record of around 1958/9.
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The interesting question is what I should do with Roger. This is a study of Powys Descendants. Is he one of those? Certainly an adopted child has rights over his parents’ estates. On the other hand there is no blood connection. What am I doing? The blood lines or the legal lines? I will give it some thought and see what I come up with.
4th Feb 2022, TFPL: The first thoughts have been to search the internet.
The first problem is that the answer varies from country to country, so there is no easy single answer. As this Powys study is the cause of this investigation and the overwhelming content lived in the British Isles, the easy decision is to restrict the answer to UK/British/English practice.
The clear UK law is that legally adopted children have the same rights of inheritance as biological children.
So the next question is clearly about lines of descent: Are they of blood only or of inheritance rights as well?
I am inclining to the view that:
(a) adopted children should be included and their descendants,
(b) the original adoption be shown by an adopted status, adopted flag and,
if possible, by a different line of descent (eg dashed instead of
continuous, or in a different colour).
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Meantime Roger and Angela had three children:
Last name First name(s) Year Of Birth Location
Dickin Gareth Lee S 1984 Trafford, Lancashire
Dickin Adam Christopher 1986 Trafford, Lancashire
Dickin Emma Charlotte 1990 Trafford, Lancashire
and their on-line GRO data are:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
DICKIN, GARETH LEE S RILEY
GRO Reference: DOR Q4/1984 in TRAFFORD (0151A) Volume 39 Page 1984
DICKIN, ADAM CHRISTOPHER RILEY
GRO Reference: DOR Q4/1986 in TRAFFORD (0151A) Volume 39 Page 2053
DICKIN, EMMA CHARLOTTE RILEY
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/1990 in TRAFFORD (0151B) Volume 39 Page 2332
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This gives us enough public documents to declare that Roger was real.
In addition Roger named his father in his marriage certificate. So the relationship was recognised in both directions, up and down.
His father stated that Roger had a wife, Angela, and provided for her in his will if Roger predeceased him. So Angela must be found and any children found too.
At marriage on 21st May 1983 he was aged 24. So he was born between 22nd May 1958 and 21st May 1959. Inevitably, still no birth record of around 1958/9.
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The interesting question is what I should do with Roger. This is a study of Powys Descendants. Is he one of those? Certainly an adopted child has rights over his parents’ estates. On the other hand there is no blood connection. What am I doing? The blood lines or the legal lines? I will give it some thought and see what I come up with.
4th Feb 2022, TFPL: The first thoughts have been to search the internet.
The first problem is that the answer varies from country to country, so there is no easy single answer. As this Powys study is the cause of this investigation and the overwhelming content lived in the British Isles, the easy decision is to restrict the answer to UK/British/English practice.
The clear UK law is that legally adopted children have the same rights of inheritance as biological children.
So the next question is clearly about lines of descent: Are they of blood only or of inheritance rights as well?
I am inclining to the view that:
(a) adopted children should be included and their descendants,
(b) the original adoption be shown by an adopted status, adopted flag and,
if possible, by a different line of descent (eg dashed instead of
continuous, or in a different colour).
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Meantime Roger and Angela had three children:
Last name First name(s) Year Of Birth Location
Dickin Gareth Lee S 1984 Trafford, Lancashire
Dickin Adam Christopher 1986 Trafford, Lancashire
Dickin Emma Charlotte 1990 Trafford, Lancashire
and their on-line GRO data are:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
DICKIN, GARETH LEE S RILEY
GRO Reference: DOR Q4/1984 in TRAFFORD (0151A) Volume 39 Page 1984
DICKIN, ADAM CHRISTOPHER RILEY
GRO Reference: DOR Q4/1986 in TRAFFORD (0151A) Volume 39 Page 2053
DICKIN, EMMA CHARLOTTE RILEY
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/1990 in TRAFFORD (0151B) Volume 39 Page 2332
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Notes for Roger Anthony & Angela (Family)
Their marriage index:
First name(s) Roger A
Last name Dickin
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1983
Marriage Finder Roger A Dickin married one of these people
Angela Riley
Spouse's last name Riley
District Trafford
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 39
Page number 1572
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
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Their marriage certificate has arrived on 3rd February 2022:
“1983 Marriage solemnized at St Clement’s Parish Church in the Parish of
“Urmston in the Metropolitan District of Trafford
“No: 38
“When married: 21st May 1983
His Hers
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“Name: Roger Anthony Dickin Angela Riley
“Age: 24 20
“Condition: Bachelor Spinster
“Profession: Bank Clerk Nurse
“Residence: 304 Moorside Road, Davyhulme 3 Newcroft Road, Urmston
“Father: Thomas Lloyd Robert Spencer Dickin Arthur Cedric Riley
“Father’s job: Chartered Engineer Managing Director
“Married in the Parish Church according to the rites and ceremonies of
“ this Church of England after Banns by me, B Dunwoody, Vicar
“This marriage was solemnized between us, Roger A Dickin, Angela Riley
“ in the presence of us, Gary Kirk, Elaine Rigby
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First name(s) Roger A
Last name Dickin
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1983
Marriage Finder Roger A Dickin married one of these people
Angela Riley
Spouse's last name Riley
District Trafford
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 39
Page number 1572
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
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Their marriage certificate has arrived on 3rd February 2022:
“1983 Marriage solemnized at St Clement’s Parish Church in the Parish of
“Urmston in the Metropolitan District of Trafford
“No: 38
“When married: 21st May 1983
His Hers
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“Name: Roger Anthony Dickin Angela Riley
“Age: 24 20
“Condition: Bachelor Spinster
“Profession: Bank Clerk Nurse
“Residence: 304 Moorside Road, Davyhulme 3 Newcroft Road, Urmston
“Father: Thomas Lloyd Robert Spencer Dickin Arthur Cedric Riley
“Father’s job: Chartered Engineer Managing Director
“Married in the Parish Church according to the rites and ceremonies of
“ this Church of England after Banns by me, B Dunwoody, Vicar
“This marriage was solemnized between us, Roger A Dickin, Angela Riley
“ in the presence of us, Gary Kirk, Elaine Rigby
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