Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
NameThomas Lloyd Robert Spencer Dickin 
[3, Birth, Q2 of 1918, Wokingham dist, vol 2C, p. 662], [3, Death, Q3 of 1987, Trafford dist, vol 39, p. 1797]
[3, Birth, Q2 of 1918, Wokingham dist, vol 2C, p. 662], [3, Death, Q3 of 1987, Trafford dist, vol 39, p. 1797]Birthca May 1918, Wokingham district, Berks
Death30 Aug 1987, Sevendales 304 Moorside Rd, Urmston, Trafford, Greater Manchester
GeneralOnly s. No further identifiable records. Chartered Engineer, from son’s marriage.
FatherEdward Spencer Dickin (1872-1960)
MotherNorah Grace Eden Stopford (1889-1966)
Spouses
Marriageca Aug 1950, Bucklow district, Cheshire [3, Marriage, Q3 of 1950, Bucklow dist, vol 10A, p. 455]
ChildrenRoger Anthony (Adopted) (ca1958-)
Notes for Thomas Lloyd Robert Spencer Dickin
His birth index:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
DICKIN, ROBERT STOPFORD
GRO Reference: 1918 J Quarter in WOKINGHAM Volume 02C Page 662
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In 1939 there was a Thomas L R S Dickin, Undergraduate studying engineering in lodgings in Stretford Lancs and with a birth date of 17th June 1918 which is spot on.
In 1987 there is a death registration for a plain Robert Dickin in Trafford district, Lancs and whose birth date was precisely 17 Jun 1918. No will, though.
But I would need to see the 1921 census before accepting this as any connection.
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His mother’s will makes it plain that she had three children and that one of these was indeed Thomas Lloyd Robert Spencer Dickin. So that settles that: his name was expanded somewhat after birth registration. And the above records are indeed his.
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Now that his name has been established, this is his marriage:
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1950 (>99%)
Dickin Robert Hardman Bucklow 10a 455
Dickin Thomas L R S Hardman Bucklow 10a 455
Hardman Hilda Dickin Bucklow 10a 455
Note that the above is from FreeBMD and correctly combines all the entries for the couple. FindMyPast did not find the bride apart from her surname. No idea about Ancestry.
The other thing to note is that the forename of his wife is the same as that in his mother’s will.
A final thing to note is that they saw it necessary to make two entries for him, one with his birth forename and the other with the extended forenames he had acquired later. The advantage of this is that it makes it clear that they are for one and the same person.
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Now is the time to establish if they had any children. The first point is that also in his mother’s will was a reference to her ‘adopted grandson Roger Dickin’. Will this adoption be registered in some manner or other?
There is no Dickin birth registration with a mother’s maiden name of Hardman from 1945 to 1965. But there are two in Denbighshire, one in 1969 and the other in 1973:
Last name First name(s) Year Of Birth Location
Dickin Stephen 1969 St. Asaph, Denbighshire, Wales
Dickin Matthew 1973 St. Asaph, Denbighshire, Wales
But neither are Roger.
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His death index:
Name: Year of Birth:
DICKIN, THOMAS LLOYD R S 1918
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/1987 in TRAFFORD (0151C) Volume 39 Page 1797
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Now that all three of his marriage, his death and his probate have his forenames as either ‘Thomas L R S’ or ‘THOMAS LLOYD R S’ or ‘Thomas Lloyd Robert Spencer’ I think the time has come to change his forenames to Thomas Lloyd Robert Spencer. So, done.
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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
DICKIN, ROBERT STOPFORD
GRO Reference: 1918 J Quarter in WOKINGHAM Volume 02C Page 662
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In 1939 there was a Thomas L R S Dickin, Undergraduate studying engineering in lodgings in Stretford Lancs and with a birth date of 17th June 1918 which is spot on.
In 1987 there is a death registration for a plain Robert Dickin in Trafford district, Lancs and whose birth date was precisely 17 Jun 1918. No will, though.
But I would need to see the 1921 census before accepting this as any connection.
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His mother’s will makes it plain that she had three children and that one of these was indeed Thomas Lloyd Robert Spencer Dickin. So that settles that: his name was expanded somewhat after birth registration. And the above records are indeed his.
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Now that his name has been established, this is his marriage:
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1950 (>99%)
Dickin Robert Hardman Bucklow 10a 455
Dickin Thomas L R S Hardman Bucklow 10a 455
Hardman Hilda Dickin Bucklow 10a 455
Note that the above is from FreeBMD and correctly combines all the entries for the couple. FindMyPast did not find the bride apart from her surname. No idea about Ancestry.
The other thing to note is that the forename of his wife is the same as that in his mother’s will.
A final thing to note is that they saw it necessary to make two entries for him, one with his birth forename and the other with the extended forenames he had acquired later. The advantage of this is that it makes it clear that they are for one and the same person.
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Now is the time to establish if they had any children. The first point is that also in his mother’s will was a reference to her ‘adopted grandson Roger Dickin’. Will this adoption be registered in some manner or other?
There is no Dickin birth registration with a mother’s maiden name of Hardman from 1945 to 1965. But there are two in Denbighshire, one in 1969 and the other in 1973:
Last name First name(s) Year Of Birth Location
Dickin Stephen 1969 St. Asaph, Denbighshire, Wales
Dickin Matthew 1973 St. Asaph, Denbighshire, Wales
But neither are Roger.
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His death index:
Name: Year of Birth:
DICKIN, THOMAS LLOYD R S 1918
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/1987 in TRAFFORD (0151C) Volume 39 Page 1797
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Now that all three of his marriage, his death and his probate have his forenames as either ‘Thomas L R S’ or ‘THOMAS LLOYD R S’ or ‘Thomas Lloyd Robert Spencer’ I think the time has come to change his forenames to Thomas Lloyd Robert Spencer. So, done.
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Will notes for Thomas Lloyd Robert Spencer Dickin
His probate index:
1988
DICKIN, Thomas Lloyd Robert Spencer of Sevendales 304 Moorside Rd Urmston Trafford Greater Manchester died 30 August 1987 Probate Leeds 1 February £59697 8851601373M
Ordered.
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In his will, dated 24th March 1986 he appointed Lloyds bank as his executors and Trustee.
He listed:
1. His son Roger Anthony Dickin
2. His niece Clare Russell of Scotland
3. His wife Hilda Dickin
4. His daughter-in-law Angela Dickin
1988
DICKIN, Thomas Lloyd Robert Spencer of Sevendales 304 Moorside Rd Urmston Trafford Greater Manchester died 30 August 1987 Probate Leeds 1 February £59697 8851601373M
Ordered.
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In his will, dated 24th March 1986 he appointed Lloyds bank as his executors and Trustee.
He listed:
1. His son Roger Anthony Dickin
2. His niece Clare Russell of Scotland
3. His wife Hilda Dickin
4. His daughter-in-law Angela Dickin
Notes for Thomas Lloyd Robert Spencer & Hilda (Family)
Their marriage index:
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1950 (>99%)
Dickin Robert Hardman Bucklow 10a 455
Dickin Thomas L R S Hardman Bucklow 10a 455
Hardman Hilda Dickin Bucklow 10a 455
Note that the above is from FreeBMD and correctly combines all the entries for the couple. FindMyPast did not find the bride apart from her surname. No idea about Ancestry.
The other thing to note is that the forename of his wife is the same as that in his mother’s will.
A final thing to note is that they saw it necessary to make two entries for him, one with his birth forename and the other with the extended forenames he had acquired later. The advantage of this is that it makes it clear that they are for one and the same person.
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Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1950 (>99%)
Dickin Robert Hardman Bucklow 10a 455
Dickin Thomas L R S Hardman Bucklow 10a 455
Hardman Hilda Dickin Bucklow 10a 455
Note that the above is from FreeBMD and correctly combines all the entries for the couple. FindMyPast did not find the bride apart from her surname. No idea about Ancestry.
The other thing to note is that the forename of his wife is the same as that in his mother’s will.
A final thing to note is that they saw it necessary to make two entries for him, one with his birth forename and the other with the extended forenames he had acquired later. The advantage of this is that it makes it clear that they are for one and the same person.
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