Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
NameBrian Charles MacDermot 
[3, Marriage, 1946-1950, Bierut, Lebanon, vol 43, p. 296], [3, Death, Q2 of 2003, Salisbury dist (7951A), Reg A5BC, ent 161], [5, Birth of son Alan David on 1 Mar 1950 in Bierut, Lebanon]
[3, Marriage, 1946-1950, Bierut, Lebanon, vol 43, p. 296], [3, Death, Q2 of 2003, Salisbury dist (7951A), Reg A5BC, ent 161], [5, Birth of son Alan David on 1 Mar 1950 in Bierut, Lebanon]Birth29 Jan 1914, Taiping, Perak, Federated Malay States
Death25 Apr 2003, Ashley Grange, Lode Hill, Downton, Salisbury, Wilts
GeneralIn Foreign Office.
Spouses
Marriageca 1948, Bierut, Lebanon [3, Marriage, 1946-1950, Bierut, Lebanon, vol 43, p. 296]
ChildrenAlan David (1950-)
Mark Bernard (ca1952-)
Denis Benedict (ca1953-)
Dominic Charles (ca1956-)
Henry Simon (ca1958-)
Paul Hilary (ca1961-)
Francis Celestine (ca1963-)
Lucy Ann (ca1965-)
Jacinta Mary (1966-)
Notes for Brian Charles MacDermot
On the birth certificate for his son Alan David, this entry for him, Brian Charles, was included:
“Father’s citizenship: H.M. Foreign Service, Born at Taiping, Perak, Federated Malay States
on 29th January 1914“
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A possible death index for him:
Name: Year of Birth:
MACDERMOT, BRIAN CHARLES 1914
GRO Reference: DOR Q2/2003 in SALISBURY (7951A) Reg A58C Entry Number 161
Death, Q2 of 2003, Salisbury dist (7951A), Reg A5BC, ent 161
The death corresponds with a probate and the will for that probate has his wife and one known child mentioned within it. The problem is the other eight children included in the will. Where did they come from? Were they, or some of them, from an earlier marriage?
I think that answer to those questions is that there was but one mother for all nine children. The test is to get the certificate for the first as we know the last has Hunter for her mother. If the first is the same, then all are the same.
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The birth certificate for Alan David, first born has arrived on 13th Jan 2022. It shows that Alan’s mother was Mary Arden MacDermot née Hunter. This is as anticipated. By the infamous principle of induction, now that the first and the last children are clearly identified as of Brian Charles and Mary Arden, née Hunter, MacDermot, all the intervening children must be the same.
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“Father’s citizenship: H.M. Foreign Service, Born at Taiping, Perak, Federated Malay States
on 29th January 1914“
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A possible death index for him:
Name: Year of Birth:
MACDERMOT, BRIAN CHARLES 1914
GRO Reference: DOR Q2/2003 in SALISBURY (7951A) Reg A58C Entry Number 161
Death, Q2 of 2003, Salisbury dist (7951A), Reg A5BC, ent 161
The death corresponds with a probate and the will for that probate has his wife and one known child mentioned within it. The problem is the other eight children included in the will. Where did they come from? Were they, or some of them, from an earlier marriage?
I think that answer to those questions is that there was but one mother for all nine children. The test is to get the certificate for the first as we know the last has Hunter for her mother. If the first is the same, then all are the same.
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The birth certificate for Alan David, first born has arrived on 13th Jan 2022. It shows that Alan’s mother was Mary Arden MacDermot née Hunter. This is as anticipated. By the infamous principle of induction, now that the first and the last children are clearly identified as of Brian Charles and Mary Arden, née Hunter, MacDermot, all the intervening children must be the same.
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Will notes for Brian Charles MacDermot
His probate index:
2003
Surname First name Date of probate Probate number Date of death Document type Registry
MACDERMOT BRIAN CHARLES 27 August 2003 1311096 25 April 2003 Grant and will Winchester
This has been ordered in the hope that he names either his wife or daughter (or anyone else).
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His wife Mary Arden MacDermot was his executor so we are on the straight and narrow here.
His will will was signed on the 17th May 1984. He appointed his first and third eldest sons as executors. But if his wife survived him he appointed her as his sole executor and beneficiary. His net estate was £2307.
In his will he listed nine children! As follows, with other information as it has accumulated:
Birth on
Original FindMyPast Birth Birth
Name Executor (1924-1964) Year Place Mother
Alan David MacDermot Y Y 1946-50 Bierut, Lebanon Hunter
Mark Bernard MacDermot Y 1951-54 Berne, Switzerl’d -
Denis Benedict MacDermot Y Y 1951-54 Berne, Switzerl’d -
Dominic Charles MacDermot Y 1955-60 Rome, Italy -
Henry Simon MacDermot Y 1955-60 Rome, Italy -
Paul Hilary MacDermot Y 1961-65 Rome, Italy -
Francis Celestine MacDermot Y 1961-65 Oporto, Portugal -
Lucy Ann MacDermot Y 1961-65 Oporto, Portugal -
Jacinta Mary MacDermot Y 1966 Oporto, Portugal Hunter
It really does look this family moved round slowly and might all have had the one mother.
Note that when discovering each in FindMyPast, I entered only the first forename and just the initial for the second. It is remarkable that this list in a will should produce without any error these registrations around Europe and the Mediterranean.
If the first born had Hunter for his mother, then it is likely that the rest did as well. So I will order that birth certificate and see what it says. Done on 3 Jan 2022. Received on 13 Jan 2022; and Alan David indeed had his mother as Mary Arden MacDermot, née Hunter. QED.
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2003
Surname First name Date of probate Probate number Date of death Document type Registry
MACDERMOT BRIAN CHARLES 27 August 2003 1311096 25 April 2003 Grant and will Winchester
This has been ordered in the hope that he names either his wife or daughter (or anyone else).
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His wife Mary Arden MacDermot was his executor so we are on the straight and narrow here.
His will will was signed on the 17th May 1984. He appointed his first and third eldest sons as executors. But if his wife survived him he appointed her as his sole executor and beneficiary. His net estate was £2307.
In his will he listed nine children! As follows, with other information as it has accumulated:
Birth on
Original FindMyPast Birth Birth
Name Executor (1924-1964) Year Place Mother
Alan David MacDermot Y Y 1946-50 Bierut, Lebanon Hunter
Mark Bernard MacDermot Y 1951-54 Berne, Switzerl’d -
Denis Benedict MacDermot Y Y 1951-54 Berne, Switzerl’d -
Dominic Charles MacDermot Y 1955-60 Rome, Italy -
Henry Simon MacDermot Y 1955-60 Rome, Italy -
Paul Hilary MacDermot Y 1961-65 Rome, Italy -
Francis Celestine MacDermot Y 1961-65 Oporto, Portugal -
Lucy Ann MacDermot Y 1961-65 Oporto, Portugal -
Jacinta Mary MacDermot Y 1966 Oporto, Portugal Hunter
It really does look this family moved round slowly and might all have had the one mother.
Note that when discovering each in FindMyPast, I entered only the first forename and just the initial for the second. It is remarkable that this list in a will should produce without any error these registrations around Europe and the Mediterranean.
If the first born had Hunter for his mother, then it is likely that the rest did as well. So I will order that birth certificate and see what it says. Done on 3 Jan 2022. Received on 13 Jan 2022; and Alan David indeed had his mother as Mary Arden MacDermot, née Hunter. QED.
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Notes for Brian Charles & Mary Arden (Family)
Their marriage index:
First name(s) Mary A
Last name Hunter
Sex Female
Marriage year 1946-50
Marriage Finder Mary A Hunter married one of these people
Brian C Macdermot
Marriage place Beirut
Place type Place
Country Lebanon
Type Consular/Overseas
Source Gro Consular Marriages (1849-1965)
Records year range 1946-1950
Archive reference MCON
Volume 43
Page 296
Line number 31
Archive General Register Office
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Banns And Marriages
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First name(s) Mary A
Last name Hunter
Sex Female
Marriage year 1946-50
Marriage Finder Mary A Hunter married one of these people
Brian C Macdermot
Marriage place Beirut
Place type Place
Country Lebanon
Type Consular/Overseas
Source Gro Consular Marriages (1849-1965)
Records year range 1946-1950
Archive reference MCON
Volume 43
Page 296
Line number 31
Archive General Register Office
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Banns And Marriages
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