Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
NameHonorah Moran 
[5, The birth certificate for her son Michael Desmond], [3, Birth, Q2 of 1899, Wolstanton dist, Vol 06B, p. 176], [4, 1901 ref: RG13, piece 2595, folio 18, p. 12], [4, 1911 ref: RG14 PN16486 RG78 PN1021 RD360 SD3 ED4 SN322], [4, 1939 ref: RG101/3272A/005/12], [5, Death, Mar 1989, Stafford dist, vol 30, p. 1365]
[5, The birth certificate for her son Michael Desmond], [3, Birth, Q2 of 1899, Wolstanton dist, Vol 06B, p. 176], [4, 1901 ref: RG13, piece 2595, folio 18, p. 12], [4, 1911 ref: RG14 PN16486 RG78 PN1021 RD360 SD3 ED4 SN322], [4, 1939 ref: RG101/3272A/005/12], [5, Death, Mar 1989, Stafford dist, vol 30, p. 1365]Birth29 May 1899, Wolstanton district, Staffs
Baptism16 Jul 1899, St Joseph, Burslem, Staffs
Death13 Mar 1989, 66 Old Eaton Rd Rugeley Staffs
General5th dau. In 1939: Helper For Evacuation Scheme. Born Honora, called Norah, adopted Honorah. She had 5 children.
FatherMartin Moran (ca1856-ca1907)
MotherLouisa Rowe (1861-ca1943)
Spouses
1John McDermott [5, The birth certificate for his son Michael Desmond], [3, Birth, Q2 of 1907, Bramley dist, vol 9B, p. 301], [4, 1911 ref: RG14 PN26858 RG78 PN1543 RD499 SD1 ED2 SN168], [4, 1939 Ref: RG101/3272A/003/13], [3, Death, July 1995, Cannock Chase dist 7301, reg 230, ent 283]
[5, The birth certificate for his son Michael Desmond], [3, Birth, Q2 of 1907, Bramley dist, vol 9B, p. 301], [4, 1911 ref: RG14 PN26858 RG78 PN1543 RD499 SD1 ED2 SN168], [4, 1939 Ref: RG101/3272A/003/13], [3, Death, July 1995, Cannock Chase dist 7301, reg 230, ent 283]FatherJoseph Michael McDermott (1876-)
MotherElsie Sharp (1888-ca1960)
Marriage18 May 1929, RC Church of the Sacred heart, Tipton, Dudley, Staffs [5, Marriage on 29 May 1929 at Sacred Heart church, Tipton, Staffs], [3, Marriage, Q2 of 1929, Dudley dist, vol 6B, p. 1867]
ChildrenMichael Desmond (1930-2021)
Patrick Neil (1932-ca2015)
Mary Bernadette (1933-2018)
Moira J (ca1940-)
Gerald (ca1942-)
Notes for Honorah Moran
This could be her birth index, Wolstanton being in Staffs:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MORAN, HONORA ROWE
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 176
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And her RC baptism, with the same birth date as in 1939, at St Joseph, Burslem, Staffs:
“Die 29 Maii 1899 natus et die 16 Julii 1899 baptizata est Honora Moran fili Martini & Louisae Moran ( olim Rowe ) conjugum a me Geo. Jos. Murphy
Patrinus fuit Matrina fuit Maria Helena Cullen”
and in real words:
Birth: 19 May 1899
Baptised: 16 July 1899
Named as: Honora Moran
Parents: Martin & Louise Moran
Maiden name: Rowe
Celebrant: Geo Jos Murphy
Godfather: -
Godmother: Mary Helen Cullen
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In both the 1901 and 1911 censuses she is listed with the name Norah.
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In 1939 she and her daughter were boarding a short distance away from her husband with the headmaster and her sons in Another Establishment. Probably this was due to the wartime evacuations scheme and she was at Stillington York, Yorks, Stillington, Easingwold R.D., Yorkshire:
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Jane E Watson 21 Dec 1870 F Unpaid Domestic Duties W 25 1
William Watson 24 Feb 1899 M Rural Postman S 25 2
Honorah McDermott 29 May 1899 F Helper For Evacuation Scheme M 25 3
Mary B McDermott 25 Dec 1933 F At School S 25 4
The record for this person is officially closed.
1939 ref: RG101/3272A/005/12
I wonder who the redacted person 5 was? Related to her? Or another boarder?
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Her death index, with the same birth date:
First name(s) Honorah
Last name McDermott
Gender Female
Birth day 29
Birth month 5
Birth year 1899
Death quarter 1
Registration Month 3
Death year 1989
District Stafford
Register number 389
County Staffordshire
Volume 30
Page 1365
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MORAN, HONORA ROWE
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 176
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And her RC baptism, with the same birth date as in 1939, at St Joseph, Burslem, Staffs:
“Die 29 Maii 1899 natus et die 16 Julii 1899 baptizata est Honora Moran fili Martini & Louisae Moran ( olim Rowe ) conjugum a me Geo. Jos. Murphy
Patrinus fuit Matrina fuit Maria Helena Cullen”
and in real words:
Birth: 19 May 1899
Baptised: 16 July 1899
Named as: Honora Moran
Parents: Martin & Louise Moran
Maiden name: Rowe
Celebrant: Geo Jos Murphy
Godfather: -
Godmother: Mary Helen Cullen
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In both the 1901 and 1911 censuses she is listed with the name Norah.
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In 1939 she and her daughter were boarding a short distance away from her husband with the headmaster and her sons in Another Establishment. Probably this was due to the wartime evacuations scheme and she was at Stillington York, Yorks, Stillington, Easingwold R.D., Yorkshire:
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Jane E Watson 21 Dec 1870 F Unpaid Domestic Duties W 25 1
William Watson 24 Feb 1899 M Rural Postman S 25 2
Honorah McDermott 29 May 1899 F Helper For Evacuation Scheme M 25 3
Mary B McDermott 25 Dec 1933 F At School S 25 4
The record for this person is officially closed.
1939 ref: RG101/3272A/005/12
I wonder who the redacted person 5 was? Related to her? Or another boarder?
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Her death index, with the same birth date:
First name(s) Honorah
Last name McDermott
Gender Female
Birth day 29
Birth month 5
Birth year 1899
Death quarter 1
Registration Month 3
Death year 1989
District Stafford
Register number 389
County Staffordshire
Volume 30
Page 1365
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
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Will notes for Honorah Moran
Her Probate Index:
1989
MCDERMOTT, Honorah of 66 Old Eaton Rd Rugeley Staffs died 13 March 1989 Administration Birminghamd 2 June Not exceeding £70000 8981702168W
Not ordered as no will.
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1989
MCDERMOTT, Honorah of 66 Old Eaton Rd Rugeley Staffs died 13 March 1989 Administration Birminghamd 2 June Not exceeding £70000 8981702168W
Not ordered as no will.
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Notes for John & Honorah (Family)
Between 1920 and 1930 there was only one marriage of a McDermott and a Moran:
First name(s) John
Last name McDermott
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1929
MarriageFinder John McDermott married one of these people
Honorah Moran
Spouse's last name Moran
District Dudley
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 6B
Page number 1867
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
They are precisely the names on the birth record for their son Michael Desmond, so it looks very solid.
I may have to get their marriage certificate to identify their fathers and their ages so that I can find them in a census, assuming they were born before March 1911. There is a chance the the 1921 census will also hold their details.
In fact the 1939 Register has the pair of them and their children with birth dates for all of them, so that what is now needed is the name of the father of John McDermot. There are two candidates for John McDermott’s family: one in Carlisle and on in Leeds, both of which have Johns born in Q1 or Q2 of 1907; see the Misc Notes for John McDermott for an analysis of this.
In view of the fact that Honorah’s family has been so clearly identified, what is needed now is to identify John’s family and this can be done from his and Honora’s marriage certificate by the names of their fathers. Buying just one birth certificate might not be the right one and will then still need the purchase of the other one. So: buy the marriage certificate!
Ordered on 7th August. Posting scheduled for 13 Aug, so arrive 14/15 Aug, all in 2021.
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No record of any church marriage can be found on FindMyPast, FamilySearch or Ancestry.
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The marriage certificate was received on 14th August 2021 and the marriage had been in a Catholic Church, and here is the transcript of that document by me:
“1929. Marriage solemnized at Roman Catholic Church of the Sacred heart, Tipton
“ in the district oTipton in the Counties of Dudley and Stafford
“No: 67
“When married: Eighteenth May 1929
His Hers
“Name & Surname: John Mc Dermott Honorah Moran
“Age: 22 Years 29 Years
“Condition: Bachelor Spinster
“Profession: School Teacher Clerk Municipal Offices
“Residence: 19 Victoria Road Tipton 73 Hale Street Burslem
“Father: Joseph Mc Dermott Martin Moran (deceased)
“Father’s Job: Insurance Agent House Painter (Master)
“Married in the Roman Catholic Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholics
“ by Licence by me: C S Barnes Catholic Priest, R V Westwood Registrar
“The marriage was solemnized between us: John McDermott, Honorah Moran
“In the presence of us: F Ballance, Soo Grigg
Now go back to John’ Misc Notes to complete the analysis of his parentage and birth.
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First name(s) John
Last name McDermott
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1929
MarriageFinder John McDermott married one of these people
Honorah Moran
Spouse's last name Moran
District Dudley
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 6B
Page number 1867
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
They are precisely the names on the birth record for their son Michael Desmond, so it looks very solid.
I may have to get their marriage certificate to identify their fathers and their ages so that I can find them in a census, assuming they were born before March 1911. There is a chance the the 1921 census will also hold their details.
In fact the 1939 Register has the pair of them and their children with birth dates for all of them, so that what is now needed is the name of the father of John McDermot. There are two candidates for John McDermott’s family: one in Carlisle and on in Leeds, both of which have Johns born in Q1 or Q2 of 1907; see the Misc Notes for John McDermott for an analysis of this.
In view of the fact that Honorah’s family has been so clearly identified, what is needed now is to identify John’s family and this can be done from his and Honora’s marriage certificate by the names of their fathers. Buying just one birth certificate might not be the right one and will then still need the purchase of the other one. So: buy the marriage certificate!
Ordered on 7th August. Posting scheduled for 13 Aug, so arrive 14/15 Aug, all in 2021.
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No record of any church marriage can be found on FindMyPast, FamilySearch or Ancestry.
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The marriage certificate was received on 14th August 2021 and the marriage had been in a Catholic Church, and here is the transcript of that document by me:
“1929. Marriage solemnized at Roman Catholic Church of the Sacred heart, Tipton
“ in the district oTipton in the Counties of Dudley and Stafford
“No: 67
“When married: Eighteenth May 1929
His Hers
“Name & Surname: John Mc Dermott Honorah Moran
“Age: 22 Years 29 Years
“Condition: Bachelor Spinster
“Profession: School Teacher Clerk Municipal Offices
“Residence: 19 Victoria Road Tipton 73 Hale Street Burslem
“Father: Joseph Mc Dermott Martin Moran (deceased)
“Father’s Job: Insurance Agent House Painter (Master)
“Married in the Roman Catholic Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholics
“ by Licence by me: C S Barnes Catholic Priest, R V Westwood Registrar
“The marriage was solemnized between us: John McDermott, Honorah Moran
“In the presence of us: F Ballance, Soo Grigg
Now go back to John’ Misc Notes to complete the analysis of his parentage and birth.
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