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NameHenry Mitchell Sholto Douglas 
[4, 1911 ref: RG14PN7942 RD146 SD3 ED1 SN43A], [3, Death, Q1 of 1931, St Ives dist, vol 3B, p. 364]
[4, 1911 ref: RG14PN7942 RD146 SD3 ED1 SN43A], [3, Death, Q1 of 1931, St Ives dist, vol 3B, p. 364]Birthca 1848, Cheltenham, Glos
Death21 Feb 1931, Hemingford Abbots, St Ives, Huntingdonshire
General1st s.
FatherCaptain Henry Sholto Douglas (ca1822-1892)
MotherMary Mitchell (ca1821-1897)
Spouses
Marriageca Aug 1899, Westminster district, London [3, Marriage, Q3 of 1899, Westminster dist, vol 1a, p. 1227]
ChildrenHenry J S (ca1903-ca1968)
Notes for Henry Mitchell Sholto Douglas
1911 census:
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Henry M S Douglas Head Married Male 63 1848 Isle of Wight Ryde Private Means
Georgina E Douglas Wife Married Female 40 1871 Surrey Yorktown
Henry J S Douglas Son - Male 8 1903 Sussex Brighton
Mabel Morris Governess Single Female 27 1884 Yorks Leeds Governess
Annie Halsey Servant Single Female 35 1876 Bucks Aylesbury Cook Domestic
Emily Bampton Servant Single Female 24 1887 Lincs Kirkby la Thorpe Ladysmaid Domestic
Emma Hall Servant Single Female 30 1881 Leicestershire Waltham Housemaid Domestic
Ethel Robbins Servant Single Female 18 1893 London Marylebone Housemaid Domestic
Zillah Bond Servant Single Female 20 1891 Oxford Hambledon Kitchenmaid Domestic
William Humphreys Servant Single Male 18 1893 Bucks Aston Abbotts Groom Domestic
Census details
First name(s) Henry M S
Last name Douglas
Relationship to household head Head
Marital condition Married
Gender Male
Age 63
Birth year 1848
Birth place Isle of Wight Ryde
Occupation Private Means
Address The Abbay Aston Abbotts Aylesbury
Parish Cubbington Aston Abbots
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Registration district Aylesbury
Registration district number 146
Subdistrict Waddesdon
Subdistrict number 3
Enumeration district 1
Piece number 7942
Piece Number Suffix -
Schedule number 43
Schedule Suffix A
Census reference RG14PN7942 RD146 SD3 ED1 SN43A
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain
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His death index:
First name(s) HENRY M S
Last name DOUGLAS
Gender Male
Birth year 1848
Age 83
Death quarter 1
Death year 1931
District St. Ives
County Huntingdonshire
Volume 3B
Page 364
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
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First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Henry M S Douglas Head Married Male 63 1848 Isle of Wight Ryde Private Means
Georgina E Douglas Wife Married Female 40 1871 Surrey Yorktown
Henry J S Douglas Son - Male 8 1903 Sussex Brighton
Mabel Morris Governess Single Female 27 1884 Yorks Leeds Governess
Annie Halsey Servant Single Female 35 1876 Bucks Aylesbury Cook Domestic
Emily Bampton Servant Single Female 24 1887 Lincs Kirkby la Thorpe Ladysmaid Domestic
Emma Hall Servant Single Female 30 1881 Leicestershire Waltham Housemaid Domestic
Ethel Robbins Servant Single Female 18 1893 London Marylebone Housemaid Domestic
Zillah Bond Servant Single Female 20 1891 Oxford Hambledon Kitchenmaid Domestic
William Humphreys Servant Single Male 18 1893 Bucks Aston Abbotts Groom Domestic
Census details
First name(s) Henry M S
Last name Douglas
Relationship to household head Head
Marital condition Married
Gender Male
Age 63
Birth year 1848
Birth place Isle of Wight Ryde
Occupation Private Means
Address The Abbay Aston Abbotts Aylesbury
Parish Cubbington Aston Abbots
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Registration district Aylesbury
Registration district number 146
Subdistrict Waddesdon
Subdistrict number 3
Enumeration district 1
Piece number 7942
Piece Number Suffix -
Schedule number 43
Schedule Suffix A
Census reference RG14PN7942 RD146 SD3 ED1 SN43A
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain
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His death index:
First name(s) HENRY M S
Last name DOUGLAS
Gender Male
Birth year 1848
Age 83
Death quarter 1
Death year 1931
District St. Ives
County Huntingdonshire
Volume 3B
Page 364
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
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Will notes for Henry Mitchell Sholto Douglas
His probate index:
DOUGLAS Henry Mitchell Sholto of Hemingford Abbots St Ives Huntingdonshire died 21 Feb 1931 Probate London 8 May to Georgina Ethel Douglas widow
Effects £47476 8s. 7d. Resworn £52977 15s. 3d.
Resworn £47851-7-7
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DOUGLAS Henry Mitchell Sholto of Hemingford Abbots St Ives Huntingdonshire died 21 Feb 1931 Probate London 8 May to Georgina Ethel Douglas widow
Effects £47476 8s. 7d. Resworn £52977 15s. 3d.
Resworn £47851-7-7
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Arms Generally notes for Henry Mitchell Sholto Douglas
In 1952 he petitioned the Lord Lyon for matriculation of his arms and got this excellent response:
On 2nd January 1952, the Lord Lyon King of Arms, found in fact:
1. That the petitioner's descent through Andrew Douglas, 1st of Timpendean, younger son of George Douglas of Bonjedward, is satisfactorily established from Margaret Douglas, 1st of Bonjedward, natural daughter of William, Earl of Douglas, by Margaret, Countess of Angus, in favour of whose natural son, George Douglas, the said Countess resigned the Earldom of Angus.
2. That the issue of the said Margaret Douglas, 1st of Bonjedward, by her husband, Thomas Johnson, bore the name and arms of Douglas of Bonjedward.
3. That John Douglas of Bonjedward, in 1450, bore arms differenced by a label of three points charged with as many mullets, on what ground is not known.
4. That in a painted armorial pedigree seen by Alexander Nisbet (System of Heraldry, Vol. I, p. 79) the descent of Douglas of Bonjedward was incorrectly deduced from a third son of the Earl of Angus, which may have been induced by the difference in the seal of 1450.
His Lordship found in law:
That the petitioner is entitled to matriculate arms on ancient user before 1672 and with a difference congruent to descent illegitimately through Margaret Douglas of Bonjedward from William, Earl of Douglas, and Margaret, Countess of Angus.Grants warrant to the Lyon Clerk to matriculate in the Public Register of All Arms and Bearings in Scotland in name of the petitioner, Major Henry James Sholto Douglas, representative of Douglas of Timpendean, the following ensigns armorial, videlicet, argent, a man's heart gules on a chief azure three mullets of the field, debruised of a riband sinister wavy sable charged with three round buckles or, alternatively, with as many mullets of the field, all within a bordure of the second; above the shield is placed an helmet befitting his degree with a mantling azure doubled argent, and on a wreath of the liveries is set for crest a dexter hand holding a scimitar, both proper, between two ostrich feathers, one on either side, argent, and in an escrol over the same this motto Honor et Amor, and decerns.
The Lord Lyon, King of Arms (Innes of Learney) stated that.
The petitioner is the great-grandson and representative of Major-General William Douglas of Bonjedward and Timpendean in the County of Roxburgh. The Major-General was the son of Archibald Douglas of Bonjedward and Timpendean, and this Archibald was the eldest son of William Douglas of Timpendean, an estate which the family had possessed in uninterrupted descent from Andrew Douglas of Timpendean, third son of George Douglas of Bonjedward who, by charter, dated 1st July 1479, received from his father the Timpendean portion of the Bonjedward estate. I am not told when or how Archibald came to possess Bonjedward, or satisfied as to how the senior line of Bonjedward descending from the eldest son of the laird of 1479 has been proved to be extinct. It was, of course, a laudable and proper act of Timpendean to acquire Bonjedward, if he did so by purchase upon its loss by the heirs of the senior line, or indeed if he had an opportunity to reacquire it. But in the circumstances, and without further proof of the conditions under which Bonjedward was recovered, I think the historic title of Timpendean is the appropriate one to be borne by the petitioner and his successors as the representers of the House of Timpendean, no proof having been offered that the main line of Bonjedward is extinct.
Reverting to Andrew Douglas, 1st of Timpendean, third son of George Douglas of Bonjedward, in 1479, the pedigree of this House of Bonjedward is carried back to Margaret Douglas, illegitimate daughter of William Douglas, Earl of Douglas, by Margaret Stewart, Countess of Angus, eldest daughter and heiress of Thomas Stewart, Earl of Angus. By a Countess of Angus the Earl of Douglas had also an illegitimate son, George, upon whom the Countess settled, by due feudal procedure, the dignity and estates of the Earldom of Angus, which have since descended in the line of that George, who duly became Earl of Angus, which line, following the events of 1455 and a grant of the forfeited duthus, Douglasdale, was taken to have become chief by settlement and came to be recognised, and bore arms, as chief of the name of Douglas.
The position of Margaret Douglas, the Earl of Douglas's illegitimate daughter by Margaret, Countess of Angus, is different, because no step was taken, as in the case of her brother, George, to bring her in as an heir of tailzie even to the Angus succession, and accordingly she remains in the status of the Earl's natural daughter, but her children took or bore the name of Douglas and, as we see, have done so for five and a half centuries. Her husband appears as Thomas filio Johannis, and by this person Margaret Douglas was mother of John Douglas of Bonjedward, ancestor of the Bonjedward and Timpendean line above mentioned. There is nothing to say who Thomas and his father, John, were. They may have been Douglasses, early cadets of the main line of Douglas, but on the other hand, the presence of a saltire in chief in the arms in one seal of Douglas of Bonjedward and Timpendean suggests that Filio Johannis was a latinisation of Johnston.
Anyway, I do not consider it necessary to investigate the origins of Margaret's husband further, since there is no doubt about the foundation of the house originating in Margaret herself and her grant of the lands of Bonjedward in 1404. There is evidence of use of the arms by members of the family prior to 1672, first in the person of John Douglas of Bonjedward, 1450, who bore the paternal coat of arms with a label of three points gules charged with three mullets argent for difference. This suggests to me that Margaret and John sought to hold themselves out as the next line in “remainder” to the Angus inheritance after issue of her father, Earl George (cf. also Nisbet's System of Heraldry, p. 79). The painting of the genealogical tree of the House of Douglas to which he refers shows that an effort was there made to deduce Bonjedward legitimately from a third son of Angus. In the light of modern knowledge this is evidently incorrect, and it probably just shows the result of the self-assumed label difference on the painter of the pedigree. That is what correct differencing by the Lord Lyon is to guard against…
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Enormous thanks to Sally Douglas for transcibing this, publishing it and passing it on.
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On 2nd January 1952, the Lord Lyon King of Arms, found in fact:
1. That the petitioner's descent through Andrew Douglas, 1st of Timpendean, younger son of George Douglas of Bonjedward, is satisfactorily established from Margaret Douglas, 1st of Bonjedward, natural daughter of William, Earl of Douglas, by Margaret, Countess of Angus, in favour of whose natural son, George Douglas, the said Countess resigned the Earldom of Angus.
2. That the issue of the said Margaret Douglas, 1st of Bonjedward, by her husband, Thomas Johnson, bore the name and arms of Douglas of Bonjedward.
3. That John Douglas of Bonjedward, in 1450, bore arms differenced by a label of three points charged with as many mullets, on what ground is not known.
4. That in a painted armorial pedigree seen by Alexander Nisbet (System of Heraldry, Vol. I, p. 79) the descent of Douglas of Bonjedward was incorrectly deduced from a third son of the Earl of Angus, which may have been induced by the difference in the seal of 1450.
His Lordship found in law:
That the petitioner is entitled to matriculate arms on ancient user before 1672 and with a difference congruent to descent illegitimately through Margaret Douglas of Bonjedward from William, Earl of Douglas, and Margaret, Countess of Angus.Grants warrant to the Lyon Clerk to matriculate in the Public Register of All Arms and Bearings in Scotland in name of the petitioner, Major Henry James Sholto Douglas, representative of Douglas of Timpendean, the following ensigns armorial, videlicet, argent, a man's heart gules on a chief azure three mullets of the field, debruised of a riband sinister wavy sable charged with three round buckles or, alternatively, with as many mullets of the field, all within a bordure of the second; above the shield is placed an helmet befitting his degree with a mantling azure doubled argent, and on a wreath of the liveries is set for crest a dexter hand holding a scimitar, both proper, between two ostrich feathers, one on either side, argent, and in an escrol over the same this motto Honor et Amor, and decerns.
The Lord Lyon, King of Arms (Innes of Learney) stated that.
The petitioner is the great-grandson and representative of Major-General William Douglas of Bonjedward and Timpendean in the County of Roxburgh. The Major-General was the son of Archibald Douglas of Bonjedward and Timpendean, and this Archibald was the eldest son of William Douglas of Timpendean, an estate which the family had possessed in uninterrupted descent from Andrew Douglas of Timpendean, third son of George Douglas of Bonjedward who, by charter, dated 1st July 1479, received from his father the Timpendean portion of the Bonjedward estate. I am not told when or how Archibald came to possess Bonjedward, or satisfied as to how the senior line of Bonjedward descending from the eldest son of the laird of 1479 has been proved to be extinct. It was, of course, a laudable and proper act of Timpendean to acquire Bonjedward, if he did so by purchase upon its loss by the heirs of the senior line, or indeed if he had an opportunity to reacquire it. But in the circumstances, and without further proof of the conditions under which Bonjedward was recovered, I think the historic title of Timpendean is the appropriate one to be borne by the petitioner and his successors as the representers of the House of Timpendean, no proof having been offered that the main line of Bonjedward is extinct.
Reverting to Andrew Douglas, 1st of Timpendean, third son of George Douglas of Bonjedward, in 1479, the pedigree of this House of Bonjedward is carried back to Margaret Douglas, illegitimate daughter of William Douglas, Earl of Douglas, by Margaret Stewart, Countess of Angus, eldest daughter and heiress of Thomas Stewart, Earl of Angus. By a Countess of Angus the Earl of Douglas had also an illegitimate son, George, upon whom the Countess settled, by due feudal procedure, the dignity and estates of the Earldom of Angus, which have since descended in the line of that George, who duly became Earl of Angus, which line, following the events of 1455 and a grant of the forfeited duthus, Douglasdale, was taken to have become chief by settlement and came to be recognised, and bore arms, as chief of the name of Douglas.
The position of Margaret Douglas, the Earl of Douglas's illegitimate daughter by Margaret, Countess of Angus, is different, because no step was taken, as in the case of her brother, George, to bring her in as an heir of tailzie even to the Angus succession, and accordingly she remains in the status of the Earl's natural daughter, but her children took or bore the name of Douglas and, as we see, have done so for five and a half centuries. Her husband appears as Thomas filio Johannis, and by this person Margaret Douglas was mother of John Douglas of Bonjedward, ancestor of the Bonjedward and Timpendean line above mentioned. There is nothing to say who Thomas and his father, John, were. They may have been Douglasses, early cadets of the main line of Douglas, but on the other hand, the presence of a saltire in chief in the arms in one seal of Douglas of Bonjedward and Timpendean suggests that Filio Johannis was a latinisation of Johnston.
Anyway, I do not consider it necessary to investigate the origins of Margaret's husband further, since there is no doubt about the foundation of the house originating in Margaret herself and her grant of the lands of Bonjedward in 1404. There is evidence of use of the arms by members of the family prior to 1672, first in the person of John Douglas of Bonjedward, 1450, who bore the paternal coat of arms with a label of three points gules charged with three mullets argent for difference. This suggests to me that Margaret and John sought to hold themselves out as the next line in “remainder” to the Angus inheritance after issue of her father, Earl George (cf. also Nisbet's System of Heraldry, p. 79). The painting of the genealogical tree of the House of Douglas to which he refers shows that an effort was there made to deduce Bonjedward legitimately from a third son of Angus. In the light of modern knowledge this is evidently incorrect, and it probably just shows the result of the self-assumed label difference on the painter of the pedigree. That is what correct differencing by the Lord Lyon is to guard against…
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Enormous thanks to Sally Douglas for transcibing this, publishing it and passing it on.
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Armorial Blazon notes for Henry Mitchell Sholto Douglas
Argent, a man's heart gules on a chief azure three mullets of the field, debruised of a riband sinister wavy sable charged with three round buckles or, alternatively, with as many mullets of the field, all within a bordure of the second; above the shield is placed an helmet befitting his degree with a mantling azure doubled argent, and on a wreath of the liveries is set for crest a dexter hand holding a scimitar, both proper, between two ostrich feathers, one on either side, argent, and in an escrol over the same this motto Honor et Amor, and decerns.
Blazon source notes for Henry Mitchell Sholto Douglas
Matriculation of 2 Jan 1952 by Lord Lyon.
Notes for Henry Mitchell Sholto & Georgina Ethel (Family)
Their more likely marriage:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1899 (>99%)
Douglas Henry Mitchell S Westminster 1a 1227
Gilbard Georgina Ethel Westminster 1a 1227
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Their marriage:
Henry Sholto Douglas
England and Wales, Marriage Registration Index
Name: Henry Sholto Douglas
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1904
Registration District: Amersham
County: Buckinghamshire
Event Place: Amersham, Buckinghamshire, England
Volume: 3A
Page: 933
Line Number: 321
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Ther marriage registration:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1904 (>99%)
Crawley Florence Amersham 3a 953
Douglas Henry Sholto Amersham 3a 953
Lang Elizabeth Amersham 3a 953
Long Elizabeth Amersham 3a 953
Pickton Joseph Amersham 3a 953
Picton Joseph Amersham 3a 953
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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1899 (>99%)
Douglas Henry Mitchell S Westminster 1a 1227
Gilbard Georgina Ethel Westminster 1a 1227
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Their marriage:
Henry Sholto Douglas
England and Wales, Marriage Registration Index
Name: Henry Sholto Douglas
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1904
Registration District: Amersham
County: Buckinghamshire
Event Place: Amersham, Buckinghamshire, England
Volume: 3A
Page: 933
Line Number: 321
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Ther marriage registration:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1904 (>99%)
Crawley Florence Amersham 3a 953
Douglas Henry Sholto Amersham 3a 953
Lang Elizabeth Amersham 3a 953
Long Elizabeth Amersham 3a 953
Pickton Joseph Amersham 3a 953
Picton Joseph Amersham 3a 953
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