Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
NameCicely Beauchamp 
[60, Beauchamp of Hatch article, Vol II, p. 50, note (a)], [156, Paul Reed, “St Maur and Seymour”, Vol 2, No 6, Jul 2008, pp. 421-438], [156, Paul Reed “Seymour and de la Mare”, Vol 3, No 3, Apr 2010]
[60, Beauchamp of Hatch article, Vol II, p. 50, note (a)], [156, Paul Reed, “St Maur and Seymour”, Vol 2, No 6, Jul 2008, pp. 421-438], [156, Paul Reed “Seymour and de la Mare”, Vol 3, No 3, Apr 2010]Birthca 1321
Death7 Jun 1394
General1st dau. Co-heir to her brother, and in her issue, eventual sole heir.
FatherJohn Beauchamp Lord Beauchamp (>1304-1343)
MotherMargaret St John
Notes for Cicely Beauchamp
m. (1) Gilbert de Turberville, d. 20 Aug 1347, and had issue by him.
CP got the first marriage wrong: it said in V. 2, p. 50, note (a) that Cicely m. (2) -- Turberville and in vol XIV, p. 76, this was corrected to 14 Sep 1368 with a reference of Calendar of Close Rolls, 1369-74, p. 331.
However in 2008, Paul Reed came out with an excellent article on the Seymous and in which he says that in 1347-8 when she m. Roger de Syemour, Cecily was “the young childless widow of Sir Gilbert de Turberville”. This order is made sense of in his account of the life of Gilbert de Turberville and of his son, another Gilbert, later in the same article.
At her brother John’s death in 1361, she was, in 1362, awarded a string of manors as her inheritance:
Hatch Beauchamp, Shepton Beauchamp, Muirfield, a third of Shepton Mallet, all in Somerset, Sturminster marshall, Dorset, Boultbury, and Halbert in Devon, Dourton in Bucks, Little haw in Suffolk and two-thirds of Selling, Kent.
Paul Reed explains some of the confusion about the order of her husbands by saying (FMG, II, 6, p. 427) that after Roger Seymour’s death she reverted to the surname of Turberville because of the lands she held in dower from her first marriage. Further he provides some evidence that she was not the mother of Gilbert de Turberwille’s son Gilbert, b. cbef. 1327) and thus that she was the elder Gilbert’s second wife, the first being unknown. The elder Gilbert died, probably after the battle of Calais on 4 Aug 1347, on 20 Aug 1347. The younger Gilbert died on 16 Jan 1348/9.
She disposed of most of the Beauchamp manors and land she had inherited, thus giving her cash and annuities to enhance her standard of living, though denying same to heir children and heirs.
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CP got the first marriage wrong: it said in V. 2, p. 50, note (a) that Cicely m. (2) -- Turberville and in vol XIV, p. 76, this was corrected to 14 Sep 1368 with a reference of Calendar of Close Rolls, 1369-74, p. 331.
However in 2008, Paul Reed came out with an excellent article on the Seymous and in which he says that in 1347-8 when she m. Roger de Syemour, Cecily was “the young childless widow of Sir Gilbert de Turberville”. This order is made sense of in his account of the life of Gilbert de Turberville and of his son, another Gilbert, later in the same article.
At her brother John’s death in 1361, she was, in 1362, awarded a string of manors as her inheritance:
Hatch Beauchamp, Shepton Beauchamp, Muirfield, a third of Shepton Mallet, all in Somerset, Sturminster marshall, Dorset, Boultbury, and Halbert in Devon, Dourton in Bucks, Little haw in Suffolk and two-thirds of Selling, Kent.
Paul Reed explains some of the confusion about the order of her husbands by saying (FMG, II, 6, p. 427) that after Roger Seymour’s death she reverted to the surname of Turberville because of the lands she held in dower from her first marriage. Further he provides some evidence that she was not the mother of Gilbert de Turberwille’s son Gilbert, b. cbef. 1327) and thus that she was the elder Gilbert’s second wife, the first being unknown. The elder Gilbert died, probably after the battle of Calais on 4 Aug 1347, on 20 Aug 1347. The younger Gilbert died on 16 Jan 1348/9.
She disposed of most of the Beauchamp manors and land she had inherited, thus giving her cash and annuities to enhance her standard of living, though denying same to heir children and heirs.
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Notes for Roger & Cicely (Family)
Paul Reed, in his magisterial article on the Seymours in FMG v. 2, No 6, clearly says that Cicely was a “young childless, widow of Sir Gilbert de Turberville”, firmly contradicting the statements in CP that she m. Turberville second.