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Notes for Juliana de Deiville
In April 2004, John Ravilous found some vital charters in the East Yorks R.O. which showed that Juliana was the dau. of Robert de Deivelle and his wife Juliana de Monfort:

From: Therav3@aol.com
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Subject: Constable Connections !  Juliana (de Eyville), wife of William le Constable
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 05:16:45 +0000 (UTC)

Monday, 26 April, 2004


Dear Rosie, Chris, Doug, Leo, Ian, Ivor, et al.,

     A significant resource has been noted on the PRO site, courtesy
of the East Riding of Yorkshire Archives and Records Service, which
should assist in resolving many issues with the pedigrees of the
Constable families (Flamborough and Halsham, at least).  

     One particular generation can now be resolved.  Rosie had posted
a pedigree of the heirs and other relations of Magister Roger
Arundel last year [1], which gives in part:

    1. William de Arundel fl 1175
       2. William de Arundel d.s.p.
       2. Mag. Roger de Arundel d.s.p.c.1210
       2. Cecily de Arundel
         + Jordan Lenveise
          . . . . . . .
       2. Maud de Arundel
         + NN
          3. Alice
          3. Eufemia
            + Robert Constable of Flamborough d.bef 1208
             4. William the Constable of Flamborough
               + Juliana had issue

     Juliana is (now) identified in several documents extracted on
the PRO site as Juliana de Eyville (or Deiville), and further as
the mother of Sir Robert le Constable: the text for these documents
is given below [2].  Further, based on the known chronology and
onomastic evidence for the Constable and d'Eyville generations
during this period, Juliana (de Eyville/Deiville) le Constable can
be placed as a hitherto unknown daughter of Robert de Daiville of
Egmanton, co. Notts. (d. bef 2 Apr 1201) and his wife Juliana de
Montfort, daughter of Thurstan de Montfort of Beaudesert, co. Warwicks.  A
pedigree follows, illustrating this descent.

        ______________________________________________________

    
1 Thurstan de Montfort
----------------------------------------

probable father of Thurstan de Montfort and his brothers[1]

witness (ca. 1118 or before) to a grant of conveyance by Henry, Earl
of Warwick to the Church of St Mary in Warwick of the Church of
Compton (Murdak) -PRO, Warwickshire County Record Office: Greville
of Warwick Castle [CR1886/BB405/1 - CR1886/BL/9437][2]

Children:   Robert (-<1142)
            Thurstan (-ca1170)
            Henry (-<1170)


1.1 Robert de Montfort
----------------------------------------
Death:  bef 1142, d.s.p.[1]

of Preston, co. Rutland


1.2 Thurstan de Montfort
----------------------------------------
Death:  ca 1170[1]

of Beaudesert, co. Warwick

'Turstin de Montfort', succeeded to the lands of his brother Robert,
ca. 1141 (DD p. 596-7)[3]

a charter in Clay, EYC [vlx no. 17] identifies Robert de Daiville and
  'Juliana his wife, daughter of Thurstan de Montfort'[4]

a supporter of the Empress Matilda against Stephen:
had charter for a market at Beaudesert, granted 1141 by the Empress
Matilda, to be held at the manor [Regesta, iii, p. 597][5]

held 10 1/4 fees of the Earl of Warwick,  3 1/4 fees of Roger de
Mowbray in Yorks., and 1/4 fee [Henley in Arden] of Robert de
Stafford in 1166 [Red Book of the Exchequer, pp. 268, 325, 420][1]

Spouse: Juliana Murdac
Father: Geoffrey Murdac (->1130)

Children:   Juliana (->1202)
            Robert (-ca1185)
            Henry (-ca1199)
            Walter (-<1199)


1.2.1 Juliana de Montfort
----------------------------------------
Death:  aft Aug 1202[1]

'Julian' , parentage not identified, in CP Vol. IV (Deiville)[1]

2nd wife of Robert de Daiville

received vill of Kilburn, co. Yorks. as her dower following exchange
of same between Robert de Stuteville and Roger de Mowbray [of whom
it was subsequently held][4]

Rosie Bevan, citing Curia Regis Roll, vol. ix, p. 291 [dated 1220] :
' William de Cantelou as custodian of Piers [de Montfort] and
   his sisters (not stated how many) petitioned the prior " del
   Broc " for charters pertaining to the feoffment of Walter de
   Montfort, to establish who his (Walter's) heirs were.  
   Several members of the family came forward claiming to be
   his heirs. '[6]

   One of these claimants was Juliana's son, John de Daiville
   (called John de Ayvill in the C.R. Roll)[6],[7]

Spouse: Robert de Daiville, of Egmanton, Notts.
Death:  bef 2 Apr 1201[4]
Father: Robert de Daiville
Marr:   bef 1170[4]

Children:   John (->1228)
            Nicholas
            Juliana


1.2.1.1 John de Daiville
----------------------------------------
Death:  aft Jun 1228[1]

of Egmanton, Notts.[1]

claimed to be (an) heir of his uncle, Walter de Montfort (R. Bevan,
citing Curia Regis Roll, vol. ix, p. 291)[6],[7]

held a market at Adlingfleet, co. Yorks.
'mercatum, gr 30 May 1220, by K Hen III to John Daivill (C 60/12 m.
5). Nova Oblata: John Daivill owed one palfrey (PR, 5 Hen III,
p. 135). '[5]

his maternity as indicated was originally based on (and now proven):

   1) CP Vol. IV p. 131 note a (simply calls her 'Julian')[1]
   2) Analysis and cites by Rosie Bevan, showing that the
       holdings of Langford, co. Notts. of the maritagium
       (modified) of Robert de Daiville's first wife were NOT
       inherited by John de Daiville[4]

'...the text from Curia Regis Roll, vol. ix, p. 291 which establishes
that Julian was Juliana de Montfort, daughter of Thurstan de
Montfort by Juliana Murdac, daughter of Geoffrey Murdac.  The
salient portion of the CR Roll record provided by Rosie states
[concerning the claims put forward in 1220 regarding the estate
of Walter de Montfort, son of Thurstan]:

      ' Et super hoc venit Johannes de Ayvill' et dicit
       quod cartas illas de Waltero debet ipse habere et
       non heres predicti Thurstani, quia Henricus de
       Muntford avus predicti heredid Thurstani dedit
       quandam terram predicto Waltero pro homagio suo
       et idem Johannes est filius sororis ipsius Walteri '

    To which Rosie has also kindly provided the English rendering:

        And afterwards John D'Eiville came and said that
       the charters of Walter [de Montfort] belonged to
       him and not the heirs of the said Thurstan
       because Henry de Montfort, the grandfather of the
       said Thurstan's heirs, had given the land to
       Walter for homage, and John was the son of the
       sister of this Walter.'[7]
      
Spouse: Maud de Percy
Father: Joscelin of Louvain (-ca1180)
Mother: Agnes de Percy (-<1204)

Children:   Sir Robert (->1242)
            Henry
            Joscelin (-<1250)


1.2.1.2 Nicholas de Daiville
----------------------------------------

cf. DD p. 429[3]


1.2.1.3 Juliana de Daiville
----------------------------------------

cf. R. Bevan, 'Re: Magister Roger de Arundel...', SGM, 14 June
2003[8]

Gift, dated ca. 1265-1290
Matilda daughter of Robert son of Godfrey de Holm to Juliana
(Gillian) de Dayvill wife of William the Constable property selion
in Bonnecroft, lying between the sections sometime of Peter Bernard
and of Thomas de Belvero Witn. Laurence de Flamburg.' - PRO,  East
Riding of Yorkshire Archives and Records Service: Chichester-
Constable Family [DDCC/111 - DDCC/135],DDCC/135/2/p24/2[2]

Quitclaim, dated 'post 1267':
Ralph de Belvero, William de Holm, William de Greynesby, Peter
Husband and Robert de Mora to Sir Robert the Constable, his mother
Dame Juliana, and their tenants relating to all assarts and
inclosures in Holm which they had inclosed or begun to inclose on
the eve of St. Margaret Virgin 1258 (20 July 1258). Reserving their
common of pasture in them after the hay and corn have been carried
away and also their common in Elysaker They will not oppose any
assarts by Sir Robert in Elysker, reserving their rights of common
after hay and corn have been carried away.' - PRO,  East
Riding of Yorkshire Archives and Records Service: Chichester-
Constable Family [DDCC/111 - DDCC/135], DDCC/135/2/p7/2[2]

Spouse: William le Constable, of Flamborough
Father: Robert le Constable (-<1208)
Mother: Eufemia

Children:   Robert (-<1272)
            Richard


1.2.1.3.1 Robert le Constable
----------------------------------------
Death:  bef 1272[9]

of Flamborough, co. Yorks.

Gift: Fulk de Oiri to Robert the Constable in marriage with his
daughter Ela property / carucate in Newton which Robert the
Constable (uncle of the said Robert) gave to Walter de Tharet
Witn. Adam de Torno, John de Melsa, Simon de Sketling, William
Passemer, John de Humbleton, Walter de Weton, William de Holbechia,
William de Welsonia, Robert de Glocestre, William de.

(Early 13th cent.)



13 As 11 but including a clause for reversion to Fulk on deaths of
Robert, Ela and heirs of their bodies, Fulk rendering £1 yearly to
right heirs of Robert. Witn. as 11 but "Sketling" now "Skeftling"
and Ranulf the sheriff is included.' PRO,  East Riding of Yorkshire
Archives and Records Service: Chichester-Constable Family
[DDCC/111 - DDCC/135], DDCC/135/51: "Records and Deeds mentioned
in the large Pedigree of the Constables"[2]

Children:   Sir William (->1300)
            John
            Robert


1.2.1.3.1.1 Sir William le Constable
----------------------------------------
Death:  aft 24 Jun 1300[9],[10]
Burial: Flamborough, co. Yorks.[11]

of Flamborough, co. Yorks.

witnessed charter of Croyland Abbey, 11 Aug 1269
summoned from East Riding, Yorks., to council at York, 15 Jan 1300
(Knights I:233, citing C.R.)
summoned to serve against the Scots 24 June 1300, having lands
worth  £40 in Yorks.[10]

'domini Willielmi le Constable avi mei', will of grandson Marmaduke
Constable dated 1376, proved 19 June 1378
[Testa. Eboracensia IV:97-99, No. 73[11] ]

Children:   Sir Robert (->1336)


1.2.1.3.1.1.1 Sir Robert le Constable
----------------------------------------
Death:  aft 8 Dec 1336[2]

of Flamborough, co. Yorks.

summoned to serve in Scotland, 24 June 1300;
knighted 22 May 1306 together with Edward (II), Prince of Wales[10]

'Sir Robert de C. of Holderness is overlord at Hilston, Aldeburgh
Thorpe, and Oustwick, Ap. 1311 (Inq.).  Witnesses grant by
Henry de Percy 1 Sep. 1311 (P.R.).' [Knights I:233[10]]

'Robertus le Conestable',  lord of Tharlthorp, co. Yorks. together
with Walter de Fauconberg [ Kirkby's Inquest, p. 302-  'Nomina
Villarum' for Yorkshire, 9 Edw. II (1316)[12]]

Spouse: Katherine

Children:   Marmaduke (-1378)


1.2.1.3.1.1.1.1a Marmaduke le Constable*[9]
----------------------------------------
Death:  1 Jun 1378[13]

of Flamborough, co. Yorks.

'Marmaducus le Constable Miles', will dated 1376, proved 19 June 1378
- names mother Katherine, first wife Joan, current wife Elizabeth,
son Robert and grandfather William le Constable (son Robert, wife
Elizabeth executors, among others) [Testa. Eboracensia IV:97-99,
No. 73[11] ]

Sheriff of Yorkshire, 1366/7 (Burke, p. 548)[14]
_______________________

called William Constable, pedigree of Constable, in Visitation of
Yorkshire[15] [in error; see also Testa. Eboracensia IV:264, note
1[11]]

he m. 1stly Joan la Zouche,
      2ndly Elizabeth ______[11]

Spouse: Joan la Zouche
Death:  bef 1376[11]
Father: Sir Roger la Zouche (ca1292->1349) of Lubbesthorpe, co. Leic
Mother: Felicia

Children:   Robert (~1353-<1400)

Other Spouses Elizabeth


1.2.1.3.1.1.1.1a.1 Robert Constable[15]
----------------------------------------
Birth:  abt 1353
Death:  bef 8 Jan 1400[13],[11]

of Flamborough, co. Yorks. and Lubbesthorpe, co. Leics.
Sheriff of Yorkshire

inherited moiety of Lubbesthorpe, co. Leics. :
     ' Leics., Lubbesthorpe.  Jan. 1399/1400:
         Receipt of Sir Robert Conestable to Sir Hugh de Sherlay
       by hands of Thos. Dodeman for 8 marks, for the farm of the
       manor of Lubbesthorpe for Easter and Michaelmas 1399.' PRO,
       Leicestershire, Leicester and Rutland Record Office: Records
       of the Shirley family, Earls Ferrers. of Stauton Harold,
       Leicestershire. MAIN FERRERS ESTATES. Leicestershire -
       various parishes, including Barrow-on-soar, Breedon, Cold
       Newton, Lubbesthorpe, Misterton and others. FILE ref.
       26D53/422[2]  

'...Thomas Ashby had custody of a
third of the manor of Lubbesthorpe during the minority of Robert,
son of Marmaduke Constable, which manor was held by Marmaduke
(son of Robert, son of Marmaduke and Joan),...'[16]

'Robertus Constable, Dominus de Flayneburgh', nuncupative will dated
1400 -
names wife Margaret ('Margaretae uxori suae'), son Marmaduke ('domino
Marmaduco Constable militi filio suo'), his executors.
  Dated at Flamesborough, proved 8 January 1400 [ Testa. Eboracensia
  IV:264-5, No. 194[11] ]

2nd husband of Margaret Skipwith[17]

Spouse: Margaret Skipwith
Death:  aft Jan 1401
Father: William Skipwith (-<1370)
Mother: NN
Marr:   ca 1381[17]

Children:   Joan (-<1432)
            Marmaduke (-<1404)
            Robert (->1432)


1.2.1.3.1.1.1.1a.1.1 Joan Constable[15]
----------------------------------------
Death:  bef 10 Jan 1432[18]

beneficiary in will of Sir Robert Hildyard, son in law - 'To Dame
Joan, his wife, "librum Gallicum de Romancia Rosae" ' [Testa.
Eboracensia 53:12, footnote: cites Reg. Luffenham, 74a., will at
'Doctor's Commons'[11] ]

' dominae Johannae Hilton dominae de Swyne ' , residual beneficiary
of will of husband's niece, Isabella Salvayn [Surtees, Testa.
Eboracensia IV:418-419, No. 305[11] ]

cf. Poulson II:198[18]

Spouse: Sir Robert Hilton[15] of Swine and Winestead in Holderness
Death:  aft 1442[18]
Father: Robert Hilton (->1392)
Mother: Constance de Mauley

Children:   Isabel (-<1453)
            Elizabeth


1.2.1.3.1.1.1.1a.1.2 Marmaduke Constable
----------------------------------------
Death:  bef 5 Aug 1404[13]

knight, of Flamborough, co. York and Lubbesthorpe, co. Leics.

'...Thomas Ashby had custody of a
third of the manor of Lubbesthorpe during the minority of Robert,
son of Marmaduke Constable, which manor was held by Marmaduke
(son of Robert, son of Marmaduke and Joan), Robert de St. Andrew
(heir of Juliana and Sir John de St. Andrew) and Thomas Ashby
(heir of Margaret, whose daughter and heiress Elizabeth Burdet
married Richard Ashby of Loseby).'[16]

Spouse: Catherine Cumberworth[18]

Children:   Sir Robert
            Thomas
            John
            James


1.2.1.3.1.1.1.1a.1.3 Robert Constable
----------------------------------------
Death:  aft 10 Jan 1432[18]

executor of sister Joan's will, 1432[18]


1.2.1.3.1.1.1.1b Marmaduke le Constable* (See above)
----------------------------------------

Spouse: Elizabeth

Other Spouses Joan la Zouche


1.2.2 Robert de Montfort
----------------------------------------
Death:  ca 1185, d.s.p.[1]

of Beaudesert, co. Warwick,  & c.


1.2.3 Henry de Montfort
----------------------------------------
Death:  ca 1199[1]

of Beaudesert, co. Warwick,  & c.

Children:   Thurstan (ca1184-<1216)
            Juliana
            Margery


1.2.4 Walter de Montfort
----------------------------------------
Death:  bef 1199, d.s.p.[6]


1.3 Henry de Montfort
----------------------------------------
Death:  bef 1170[1]


1.  G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage,"
    The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain
    and the United Kingdom.
2. "Public Record Office Archives," http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/
3.  K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday Descendants," The Boydell Press,
    Woodbridge, 2002, cited by Rosie Bevan, 'Re: de Stuteville' Jul
    2, 2002, p. 723 (Osmund de Stuteville), full title: Domesday
    Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons, Occurring in English
    Documents 1066-1166: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum.
4.  Rosie Bevan, "Re: Stuteville of Cottingham," September 8, 2002,
    paper copy: library of John P. Ravilious, citations from Rosie
    Bevan :  rbevan@paradise.net.nz, cites Clay, Early Yorkshire
    Charters vlx no. 17.
5. "Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516,"
    www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/
6.  Rosie Bevan, "Re: de Montfort connections (2)," September 11,
    2002, paper copy: library of John P. Ravilious, citations from
    Rosie Bevan :  rbevan@paradise.net.nz, cites Curia Regis Roll,
    vol. ix p. 291, which identifies living descendants of Thurstan
    de Montfort, who came forward claiming to be heirs of Walter de
    Montfort.
7.  John P. Ravilious, "Identification of Julian(a), wife of Robert
    de Daiville," Sept 12, 2002, paper copy: library of John
    Ravilious, cites Clay, Early Yorkshire Charters; and Curia Regis
    Roll, vol. ix p. 291 provided by Rosie Bevan (incl. translation),
    which sets out the relationship between Walter de Montfort, son
    of Thurstan, and John de Daiville.
8.  Rosie Bevan, "Re: Magister Roger de Arundel and the Birkins of
    Laxton, co. Notts.," June 14, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com,
    cites EYC X pp. 170-2 (Trussebut fee), XI pp. 196-202 (Percy
    fee), and XII pp. 144-6 (Tison fee) re: William de Arundel, of
    Foston on the Wolds, co.Yorks., & c.
9.  J. C. B. Sharp, "Constable Connections!," Sept 15, 2000,
    GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, citing C. T. Clay, Early
    Yorkshire Charteres, xii, pp. 142-151.
10. Rev. Charles Moor, D.D., F.S.A., "Knights of Edward I," Pubs.
    of the Harleian Society, 1929-1930, 3 Vols. (Vols. 80-83 in
    series).
11. "Testamenta Eboracensia  [Selection of Wills, Reg. at York],"
    The Surtees Society, Andrews & Co., Durham (J. B. Nichols &
    Sons, London), Vol. IV, Pt. I: 1869, see pp. 100-101 for will
    of Sir Martin de la See, IV:418-419, will of Isabella Salvayn,
    IV:97-99, will of Marmaduke Constable (d. 1378).
12. John de Kirkby, "The survey of the county of York taken by John
    de Kirkby, commonly called Kirkby's Inquest," also inquisitions
    of knights' fees, the Nomina villarum for orkshire, and an
    appendix of illustrative documents, Durham: Pub. for the Society
    by Andrews and Co., 1867.
13. Kevan Barton, "Hilton (& Constable) Connections," Sept 14, 2000,
    GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, additional notes and information
    from Leo van de Pas and John Ravilious.
14. John Burke, Esq., "A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the
    Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland," Baltimore: Genealogical
    Publishing Co., Vol. III (repub., 1977), pp. 60-61
   (Crompton-Stansfield of Esholt Hall), pp. 548 et seq. (Constable
    of Wassand).
15. "The Visitation of Yorkshire," Harleian Soc., William Flower,
    Esquire, Norroy King of Arms, Harleian Series, Vol. 16, Mitchell
    and Hughes, Printers, London, 1881, pp. 154-156: pedigree of
    Hastings of Elsing ('Hastynges..' of Fenwick, co. Yorks.), 'The
    Visitation of Yorkshire in the Years 1563 and 1564'.
16. Todd A. Farmerie, "Re: La Zouche and Lubbesthorpe, co. Leics.
    - A Constable Connection ?," June 14, 2003, GEN-MEDIEVAL-
    L@rootsweb.com, cites Sheppard article (TAG 49:1-12) re: Zouche
    of Lubbesthorpe,, citing Clay's Early Bedfordshire Charters
    12:150f, Henrico Tertio Rege, A.D. 1216-1272, p.66.
17. Adrian Channing, "Skipwith Pt 1 of 2," Jan 6, 2000,
    GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
18. George Poulson, Esq., "The History and Antiquities of the
    Seigniory of Holderness," Hull: Thomas Topping, and W. Pickering,
    1840 (Vol I)   1841 (Vol II), pp. 197-198, pedigree of Hilton of
    Swine.
        ______________________________________________________


     The URL is given below, and in a followup message I will post
the text from the PRO site for general access and review.

     Any relevant documentation, comment or criticism is welcome
as always.

     Cheers,

                                   John *  




NOTES

[1] Rosie Bevan, <Re: Magister Roger de Arundel and the Birkins of
     Laxton, co. Notts.>, SGM, 14 June 2003.

[2] PRO, East Riding of Yorkshire Archives and Records Service:
     Chichester-Constable Family [DDCC/111-DDCC/135]

     URL:   http://www.a2a.org.uk/


Reference: DDCC/135/2/p7/2
Quitclaim
Creation dates: Post 1267

Scope and Content
Ralph de Belvero, William de Holm, William de Greynesby, Peter
Husband and Robert de Mora to Sir Robert the Constable, his mother
Dame Juliana, and their tenants relating to all assarts and
inclosures in Holm which they had inclosed or begun to inclose on
the eve of St. Margaret Virgin 1258 (20 July 1258). Reserving their
common of pasture in them after the hay and corn have been carried
away and also their common in Elysaker They will not oppose any
assarts by Sir Robert in Elysker, reserving their rights of common
after hay and corn have been carried away.


----------------------------------------------------

Reference: DDCC/135/2/p9/1
Gift
Creation dates: Pre - 1290


Scope and Content
Richard de Chokeringtona and wife Elizabeth to Sir Robert the
Constable of Flayneburgh, property: 5 ac. meadow in Holm (of a
perch of 20 paces measure) which Sir R. held of R. de C. for a
term (between meadows of Godfrey de Holm and of R. de C.; the
head on meadow of Dame Juliana de Dayville E. and the common
pasture W.) Rendering 1d yearly Witn. Sir William de Drax.


---------------------------------------------------


Reference: DDCC/135/2/p10/1
Quitclaim
Creation dates: Post 1267


Scope and Content
Peter Bernard of Holm to Dame Juliana Deyvil and her son Sir Robert
the Constable, property: assart called Bulmar and all his other
assarts and inclosures in Holm since Thurs. before Exaltation of
Holy Cross Reserving common of pasture after hay and corn have
been carried away. Witn. Sir John the parson of Holm.


* John P. Ravilious
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