Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
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NameMuriel de Dinham 
[60, Hastings article, Vol VI, p. 359], [76, p.130], [100, John Ravilous, 20 Feb 2004, £Muriel Dinham, dau of John lord Dinham"]
[60, Hastings article, Vol VI, p. 359], [76, p.130], [100, John Ravilous, 20 Feb 2004, £Muriel Dinham, dau of John lord Dinham"]Birthbef 1399
FatherSir John Dinham (1359-1428)
MotherPhillippe Lovel (-1465)
Spouses
Notes for Muriel de Dinham
The dates of the deaths of her parents do not stack up with her child-bearing age. It is more likely, on these grounds, that she was the daughter of John de Dinham, son of John de D and Muriel de Courtenay.
In fact John Ravilous has managed to prove that she was married in 1406 and was thus the dau. of John Dirham who d. 1428:
From: John Ravilious
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Subject: CP Addition: Muriel Dinham, daughter of John, Lord Dinham (d. 1428)
Date: 20 Feb 2004 11:07:00 -0800
Friday, 20 February, 2004
Hello All,
Previous posts to SGM have discussed the problem and apparent
resolution concerning the parentage of Muriel Dinham, wife of Edward
Hastings of Elsing and Gressenhall (d. 1437) [1].
Evidence has now been found on the PRO site identifying John
Dinham, Lord Dinham (d. 25 Dec 1428) as the father of Muriel. This is
the text of the prenuptial agreement/marriage contract between Edward
Hastings (d. 1437) and John Dinham dated 20 February 1406. This
agreement provides that "Edward, Lord of Hastyngges shall marry
Muriel, John [de Dynham, knight]'s daughter". The text from the PRO
site is provided in full below.
Reference: AR/37/24 of Cornwall Record Office
Creation dates: 1406, 20th
Feb Language: French
Scope and Content
(7 Hen IV); at Notewill (Devon)
Pre-nuptial settlement
Edward Lord of Hastyngges = (1) John de Dynham, knight = (2)
Agreement between (1) and (2), that (1) shall marry Muriel (2)'s
daughter, and shall enfeoff certain persons at their choice (a lour
dieux ellection) with certain lands and tenements, to the value of 100
marks yearly, in 'which Muriel shall be jointured (iungne) during her
life, and that she shall be dowered in lands and tenements to the
yearly value of 300 marks along with that jointure. For the marriage
and jointure, (2) shall pay to (1) 400 marks (100 marks on the day of
the marriage, 100 marks the following Michaelmas, and 100 marks yearly
at Michaelmas until fully paid), provided that she is so jointured; if
not, the payments shall not be made.
Seal [fine; of (1) presumably]. [18th century?] "This indenture is in
French and contains articles of mariage between Sr Edward Hastings and
the Lady Muriell daughter to Sr Johne Dynham."
As John de Dinham, husband of Muriel de Courtenay, was murdered 7
Jan 1382/3, it is quite certain that the John de Dinham identified in
this agreement of 1406 was the son of John and Muriel. He married
(1st) Ellen ______, and has been identified as indicated before as the
father of Muriel. This identification can now be made with certainty.
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In fact John Ravilous has managed to prove that she was married in 1406 and was thus the dau. of John Dirham who d. 1428:
From: John Ravilious
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Subject: CP Addition: Muriel Dinham, daughter of John, Lord Dinham (d. 1428)
Date: 20 Feb 2004 11:07:00 -0800
Friday, 20 February, 2004
Hello All,
Previous posts to SGM have discussed the problem and apparent
resolution concerning the parentage of Muriel Dinham, wife of Edward
Hastings of Elsing and Gressenhall (d. 1437) [1].
Evidence has now been found on the PRO site identifying John
Dinham, Lord Dinham (d. 25 Dec 1428) as the father of Muriel. This is
the text of the prenuptial agreement/marriage contract between Edward
Hastings (d. 1437) and John Dinham dated 20 February 1406. This
agreement provides that "Edward, Lord of Hastyngges shall marry
Muriel, John [de Dynham, knight]'s daughter". The text from the PRO
site is provided in full below.
Reference: AR/37/24 of Cornwall Record Office
Creation dates: 1406, 20th
Feb Language: French
Scope and Content
(7 Hen IV); at Notewill (Devon)
Pre-nuptial settlement
Edward Lord of Hastyngges = (1) John de Dynham, knight = (2)
Agreement between (1) and (2), that (1) shall marry Muriel (2)'s
daughter, and shall enfeoff certain persons at their choice (a lour
dieux ellection) with certain lands and tenements, to the value of 100
marks yearly, in 'which Muriel shall be jointured (iungne) during her
life, and that she shall be dowered in lands and tenements to the
yearly value of 300 marks along with that jointure. For the marriage
and jointure, (2) shall pay to (1) 400 marks (100 marks on the day of
the marriage, 100 marks the following Michaelmas, and 100 marks yearly
at Michaelmas until fully paid), provided that she is so jointured; if
not, the payments shall not be made.
Seal [fine; of (1) presumably]. [18th century?] "This indenture is in
French and contains articles of mariage between Sr Edward Hastings and
the Lady Muriell daughter to Sr Johne Dynham."
As John de Dinham, husband of Muriel de Courtenay, was murdered 7
Jan 1382/3, it is quite certain that the John de Dinham identified in
this agreement of 1406 was the son of John and Muriel. He married
(1st) Ellen ______, and has been identified as indicated before as the
father of Muriel. This identification can now be made with certainty.
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