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NameArchibald Hamilton 
[27, 1937 (Irish Supp) & 1958 (Irish)], [135, Clanboye, p. 259], [248, pp. 29-46], [190, Raploch article, p.734], [189, Bruce Meade Hamilton’s matriculation, 10 July 1997]
[27, 1937 (Irish Supp) & 1958 (Irish)], [135, Clanboye, p. 259], [248, pp. 29-46], [190, Raploch article, p.734], [189, Bruce Meade Hamilton’s matriculation, 10 July 1997]Deathca 1558
Generaldspml. Servant to James V. Master of Raploch.
FatherJames Hamilton (-<1538)
MotherIsabel Weir
Notes for Archibald Hamilton
m. (1) Marion Ogilvy (dsp), (2) Margaret Hamilton and had 2 daus.
1. In Burke's Colonial Gentry for Moore of Caldwell, p.489, and in Burke's Commoners also for Mure of Caldwell, p. 453, it includes:
(a) that a William Moore, whose father John d. c.1544, married Elizabeth, daughter of a Hamilton of Raploch and aunt of Gavin Hamilton, commendator of Kilwinning and confidential minister of Mary Guise, regent of Scotland. I wonder if this Gavin is a son of Rev Hans and thus that Elizabeth was Hans' brother and the dau. of Archibald of Raploch? No! Rubbish, in fact. But Gavin was Hans' uncle and Elizabeth his gt-gt-aunt
(b). This Wm had a son Wm who married Jean, daughter of Rev Hans Hamilton and sister of James, Earl of Clanbrassil (not true - James was Viscount Clanboye but father of the earl). Might this be a marriage of cousins? Yes.
2. In Burke's Commoners, Vol III p, 179 there is an account of some very early Hamiltons:
Sir John de Hamilton, Lord of Cadzow = Janet, dau of Sir Jas Douglas of Dalkeith and had three sone:
(a) Sir James H of Cadzow, ancestor of the ducal house of Hamilton,
(b) David, ancestor of the Hamiltons of Dalserf,
(c) Thomas H, of Darngaber
The last, Thomas H, married Helen, dau of Sir Henry Douglas of Lochleven and had James, ancestor of the Hamiltons of Raploch, represented by the Hamilton of Barns.
So what's the connection between James H of Raploch and our Archibald H of Raploch? (If any, of course.)
3. In Burke's Commoners, Vol III, for Gray of Carntyne, pp. 8 to 12 they include a much longer and more detailed descent of the Hamiltons of Cadzow:
(a) Sir Walter de Hamilton, Lord of Cadzow, Lanark m. in 1324 Mary dau of Adam Lord Gordon. Their two sons were:
(i) Sir David H - see (b)
(ii) Sir John H., ancestor of the Hamiltons of Innerwick and the Earls of Haddington. (CP refers to "The Memorials of the Earls of Haddington" by Sir William Fraser, LL D, pub in Edinburgh in 1899.)
(b) Sir David m a daughter of Wm, Earl of Ross, and they had two children:
(i) Sir David - see (c)
(ii) Sir Walter H., ancestor of the Hamiltons of Cambeskeith and Grange.
(c) Sir David de H, Lord of Cadzow, d.bef 1392, m. Janetta, dau of Sir Wm Keith of Galston and they had these sons:
(i) John - see (d)
(ii) David, ancestor of the Hamiltons of Bonland
(iii) William, ancestor of the Hamiltons of Brathgate
(iv) Andrew, ancestor of the Hamiltons of Uldston
(v) John, ancestor of the Hamiltons of Bardowie
(d) Sir John Hamilton, Lord of Cadzow m. Janet, dau. of Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith and they had these sons:
(i) Sir James - see (e)
(ii) David, ancestor of the Hamiltons of Dalserf
(iii) Thomas of Darngaller, ancestor of the Hamiltons of Raplock, Barnes, Torrance, Westburn, Aitkenhead, the earls of Clanbrassil, etc.
(e) Sir John H,. Lord of Cadzow m. Janet 1st dau. of Sir Alexander Livingston of Callander, ancestor of the earls of Linlithgow and their sons were:
(i) Sir James H., later Lord H., who married Mary Stuart
(ii) Sir Alexander H. of Silverton hill, the ancestor of the Hamiltons of Silverton Hill, Cubardy, Newton, and Westport.
Somehow or other Sir Alexander's male line died out and the representation came to the Grays of Carotyne.
This leaves unanswered the question of what connection, if any, there might be between the above Hamiltons of Raplock and the Archibald H of Raploch, the subject of this entry...
Now for the Scots Peerage...
It has:
Sir James Hamilton of Cadzow, succeeded his father before 1392. He married before or about 1388, Jacoba. daughter of Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith and had issue:
1. JAMES who succeeded, (see below)
2. DAVID, said to be the ancestor of the Hamiltons of Dalserf.
3. WALTER of whom little is known. He is named in a charter dated 20 May 1441, by Sir James Hamilton of Cadzaw, afterwards Lord Hamilton, granting to his cousin James Hamilton, son of the late Walter Hamilton, the lands of Raploch and others. This Walter therefore seems to be the true ancestor of the Hamiltons of Raploch and others. The Thomas referred to in this connection in the House of Hamilton, and described as of Daragabee is not found so styled, and he appears to have been a servant and not a son of the family.
JAMES, d. bef. 1440 and married Janet, dau of Alexander Livingstone, Lord of Callendar, on 20 Oct 1422. Their first son was James, 1st Lord Hamilton.
Accepting this account, it still leaves unresolved the descent of Archibald, the father of the vicar of Dunlop.
My guess is that this Archibald was either son or grandson of the James Hamilton who was granted Raploch by Sir James Hamilton of Cadzow, later Lord Hamilton.
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TFPL, Jan 2002: What an interesting analysis in the above. It now appears that Archibald was the great-grandson of the James H. who was granted Raploch in 1441, that Archibald indeed held Raploch for a limited time, inheriting it from his elder brother Thomas, that Archibald was not married so Raploch went to his next brother Gavin and that Hans was Johannes or John and was Archibald's illegitimate son. Gordon Johnson and Diane Baptie have provided the information on this and currently Diane is, hopefully, obtaining copies of three key documents to confirm this descent.
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August 2004, TFPL: Yet more information, from the "House of Hamilton", pp. 730-5 by Lt-Col George Hamilton, pub 1933 in Edinburgh. Thankfully he takes into account the findings of The Scots Peerage.
In this book he shows this descent:
Sir John Hamilton of Cadzow= Jacoba Douglas
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Walter, d. bef 20 May 1441 poss. = a dau. of the Laird of Loch leven
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James Hamilton, received Raploch from his cousin, wife unknown.
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William Hamilton, poss = Margaret, dau of a Baillie of Lamington
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James Hamilton - Isabel, dau. of Weir of Blackwood
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Four sons, successively holding Raploch: James, Thomas, Archibald and Gavin, a son John of Nilsland and two daus, possibly a Martha and Katherine.
Archibald is reported to have m. (1) Mary or Marion Ogilvie and they had no children, (2) Margaret dau of John Hamilton of Newton and they had two daus, Margaret who m. James Somervell of Cambusnethan and Jean who m. Robert Baillie of Cultness and thereafter Park, a brother of Carfine B. Archibald's death was bef. 27 Sep 1561.
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1. In Burke's Colonial Gentry for Moore of Caldwell, p.489, and in Burke's Commoners also for Mure of Caldwell, p. 453, it includes:
(a) that a William Moore, whose father John d. c.1544, married Elizabeth, daughter of a Hamilton of Raploch and aunt of Gavin Hamilton, commendator of Kilwinning and confidential minister of Mary Guise, regent of Scotland. I wonder if this Gavin is a son of Rev Hans and thus that Elizabeth was Hans' brother and the dau. of Archibald of Raploch? No! Rubbish, in fact. But Gavin was Hans' uncle and Elizabeth his gt-gt-aunt
(b). This Wm had a son Wm who married Jean, daughter of Rev Hans Hamilton and sister of James, Earl of Clanbrassil (not true - James was Viscount Clanboye but father of the earl). Might this be a marriage of cousins? Yes.
2. In Burke's Commoners, Vol III p, 179 there is an account of some very early Hamiltons:
Sir John de Hamilton, Lord of Cadzow = Janet, dau of Sir Jas Douglas of Dalkeith and had three sone:
(a) Sir James H of Cadzow, ancestor of the ducal house of Hamilton,
(b) David, ancestor of the Hamiltons of Dalserf,
(c) Thomas H, of Darngaber
The last, Thomas H, married Helen, dau of Sir Henry Douglas of Lochleven and had James, ancestor of the Hamiltons of Raploch, represented by the Hamilton of Barns.
So what's the connection between James H of Raploch and our Archibald H of Raploch? (If any, of course.)
3. In Burke's Commoners, Vol III, for Gray of Carntyne, pp. 8 to 12 they include a much longer and more detailed descent of the Hamiltons of Cadzow:
(a) Sir Walter de Hamilton, Lord of Cadzow, Lanark m. in 1324 Mary dau of Adam Lord Gordon. Their two sons were:
(i) Sir David H - see (b)
(ii) Sir John H., ancestor of the Hamiltons of Innerwick and the Earls of Haddington. (CP refers to "The Memorials of the Earls of Haddington" by Sir William Fraser, LL D, pub in Edinburgh in 1899.)
(b) Sir David m a daughter of Wm, Earl of Ross, and they had two children:
(i) Sir David - see (c)
(ii) Sir Walter H., ancestor of the Hamiltons of Cambeskeith and Grange.
(c) Sir David de H, Lord of Cadzow, d.bef 1392, m. Janetta, dau of Sir Wm Keith of Galston and they had these sons:
(i) John - see (d)
(ii) David, ancestor of the Hamiltons of Bonland
(iii) William, ancestor of the Hamiltons of Brathgate
(iv) Andrew, ancestor of the Hamiltons of Uldston
(v) John, ancestor of the Hamiltons of Bardowie
(d) Sir John Hamilton, Lord of Cadzow m. Janet, dau. of Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith and they had these sons:
(i) Sir James - see (e)
(ii) David, ancestor of the Hamiltons of Dalserf
(iii) Thomas of Darngaller, ancestor of the Hamiltons of Raplock, Barnes, Torrance, Westburn, Aitkenhead, the earls of Clanbrassil, etc.
(e) Sir John H,. Lord of Cadzow m. Janet 1st dau. of Sir Alexander Livingston of Callander, ancestor of the earls of Linlithgow and their sons were:
(i) Sir James H., later Lord H., who married Mary Stuart
(ii) Sir Alexander H. of Silverton hill, the ancestor of the Hamiltons of Silverton Hill, Cubardy, Newton, and Westport.
Somehow or other Sir Alexander's male line died out and the representation came to the Grays of Carotyne.
This leaves unanswered the question of what connection, if any, there might be between the above Hamiltons of Raplock and the Archibald H of Raploch, the subject of this entry...
Now for the Scots Peerage...
It has:
Sir James Hamilton of Cadzow, succeeded his father before 1392. He married before or about 1388, Jacoba. daughter of Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith and had issue:
1. JAMES who succeeded, (see below)
2. DAVID, said to be the ancestor of the Hamiltons of Dalserf.
3. WALTER of whom little is known. He is named in a charter dated 20 May 1441, by Sir James Hamilton of Cadzaw, afterwards Lord Hamilton, granting to his cousin James Hamilton, son of the late Walter Hamilton, the lands of Raploch and others. This Walter therefore seems to be the true ancestor of the Hamiltons of Raploch and others. The Thomas referred to in this connection in the House of Hamilton, and described as of Daragabee is not found so styled, and he appears to have been a servant and not a son of the family.
JAMES, d. bef. 1440 and married Janet, dau of Alexander Livingstone, Lord of Callendar, on 20 Oct 1422. Their first son was James, 1st Lord Hamilton.
Accepting this account, it still leaves unresolved the descent of Archibald, the father of the vicar of Dunlop.
My guess is that this Archibald was either son or grandson of the James Hamilton who was granted Raploch by Sir James Hamilton of Cadzow, later Lord Hamilton.
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TFPL, Jan 2002: What an interesting analysis in the above. It now appears that Archibald was the great-grandson of the James H. who was granted Raploch in 1441, that Archibald indeed held Raploch for a limited time, inheriting it from his elder brother Thomas, that Archibald was not married so Raploch went to his next brother Gavin and that Hans was Johannes or John and was Archibald's illegitimate son. Gordon Johnson and Diane Baptie have provided the information on this and currently Diane is, hopefully, obtaining copies of three key documents to confirm this descent.
_______________________________________________________
August 2004, TFPL: Yet more information, from the "House of Hamilton", pp. 730-5 by Lt-Col George Hamilton, pub 1933 in Edinburgh. Thankfully he takes into account the findings of The Scots Peerage.
In this book he shows this descent:
Sir John Hamilton of Cadzow= Jacoba Douglas
|
Walter, d. bef 20 May 1441 poss. = a dau. of the Laird of Loch leven
|
James Hamilton, received Raploch from his cousin, wife unknown.
|
William Hamilton, poss = Margaret, dau of a Baillie of Lamington
|
James Hamilton - Isabel, dau. of Weir of Blackwood
|
Four sons, successively holding Raploch: James, Thomas, Archibald and Gavin, a son John of Nilsland and two daus, possibly a Martha and Katherine.
Archibald is reported to have m. (1) Mary or Marion Ogilvie and they had no children, (2) Margaret dau of John Hamilton of Newton and they had two daus, Margaret who m. James Somervell of Cambusnethan and Jean who m. Robert Baillie of Cultness and thereafter Park, a brother of Carfine B. Archibald's death was bef. 27 Sep 1561.
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