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NameAnne Montacute 
[60, Ormond art, Vol X, p. 132], [60, Fitzwarin article, Vol V, p. 506], [76, Hankford, pp. 168-9], [60, Exeter article, Vol V, p. 210], [78, Will of Ann duchess of Exeter, pp. 281-2], [78, Will of Margaret duchess of Exeter, p. 293], [56, Hunts of 1613, pub Camden Soc 1849, Wingfield, p. 126]
[60, Ormond art, Vol X, p. 132], [60, Fitzwarin article, Vol V, p. 506], [76, Hankford, pp. 168-9], [60, Exeter article, Vol V, p. 210], [78, Will of Ann duchess of Exeter, pp. 281-2], [78, Will of Margaret duchess of Exeter, p. 293], [56, Hunts of 1613, pub Camden Soc 1849, Wingfield, p. 126]Death29 Nov 1457
BurialSt Katherine by Tower church
General1st dau. m.(3) John Holand, d. of Exeter.
FatherJohn Montacute Earl of Salisbury (ca1350-1400)
MotherMaud Fraunceys (-<1424)
Spouses
ChildrenAnne (1431-1485)
Marriageca 1433 [76, Hankford, p. 169]
ChildrenElizabeth (-ca1500)
3Sir John de Holand Duke of Exeter [76, Hankford, p. 169], [54, His own article], [60, Exeter article, Vol V, pp. 205-211], [78, Will of John Duke of Exeter], [77, p. 71], [56, Hunts of 1613, pub Camden Soc 1849, Wingfield, p.& 126]
[76, Hankford, p. 169], [54, His own article], [60, Exeter article, Vol V, pp. 205-211], [78, Will of John Duke of Exeter], [77, p. 71], [56, Hunts of 1613, pub Camden Soc 1849, Wingfield, p.& 126]FatherJohn de Holand Duke of Exeter (>1350-ca1400)
MotherElizabeth of Lancaster (-1425)
Marriageaft 1442
Will notes for Anne Montacute
Will: PCC 11 Stokton.
In her will, dated April 20, 1457, she lists
Her Lord and husband, buried in the Chapel of the chancel of St Katherine beside the Tower of London.
Proved May 15 1458.
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Here's where the fun starts. The above will is indeed hers and makes eminent sense in regard to dates and place of burial and proving date. However there is also in Testamenta Vetusta a will that is said to be that of the previous duchess of Exter, Margaret Neville, dau of Sir Thos Neville (wife unknown) of Hornby, Lancs. Here's the abstract in full:
"Margaret dutchess of Exeter. My body to be buried in the Chapel of the College of St. Katherine by the Tower of London. And I appoint Sir Thomas Tirrell, Knt. my exeuctor, and my nephew the Earl of Warwick supervisor of this my will. Proved May 15th 1458."
Note that the date of proving for this "Margaret" is exactly the same as for Ann.
The first trouble with this second undated will is that it asks for burial in St Katherine's. In fact Margaret Neville was buried in Bury St Edmund and her husband was buried with her. OK, some people were not buried where they asked.
The second trouble is that Margaret Neville died before 1426. It would be most odd if her will was not proved until over 30 years later, particularly as she died before her husband and thus had virtually no possessions.
The third trouble is her reference to her nephew the earl of Warwick. In 1424 when Margaret died, c. 1424, the earl of Warwick was Richard de Beauchamp; Richard de Beauchamp died in 1439. I can see no relationship between Margaret Neville and Richard de Beauchamp to call him her nephew; nor, in fairness, could Nicolas in T.V. but he did not explore the implications fully. On the other hand Anne Montacute was the sister of Thomas, earl of Salisbury; Thomas' daughter Alice married Richard Neville who thereby became earl of Salisbury. Alice and Richard Neville then had Richard Neville for their eldest son and he married the Beauchamp heiress and became earl of Warwick. By all this Richard Neville, earl of Warwick, was the great-nephew of Anne Montacute at the time she wrote her will.
The conclusion is that this scrap of a will got confused. The longer abstract of Anne Montacute's will came out of Dugdale's office, now degraded in status because of many errors and probable fabrications. Perhaps this piece of paper had the actual name of the dutchess missing and someone copied it out again with Margaret's name on it? Who knows? Anyhow it makes eminent more sense to see it as an alternative abstract of Anne Montacute's will and thus to say the Nicolas got it wrong in Testamenta Vetusta.
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And here is a fuller transcript of the Real Anne's will:
Anne Montagu, Duchess of Exeter
1 In the Name of the moost holy and Blissid Trinite Fader and soon' and holy goost three personnes And oon' god Amen. The xxti day of Aprill the yere of our' lord Jhesu crist M.CCCC. and lvijty I dame duchesse of Excester being' clerly in the faith' Catholik and full mynde and hole vnto Almyghty god bequeth' my soule which' he bought' with his precious blode And to his mercy
5. and grace with the moost enter' deuocion' mekenesse and mynde that I can' And as for the
disposicion' of my body I. orden' and bequeth' it to be buried in the Chapell within the Chauncell. of the Collage of seint Katerines be sides the towre of London' wher' as my Lordys body is buried aftre the discrecion' and meane of myn' Executours. And I wil and Charge that if any dettes be dewe to be paid toany other at my decesse that myn' Executours principally
10. and a fore Althing' pay them . In the moost hasty wise. Item as for the burying' of my body in what parties of the world §at god dispose me to decese. I wilnot but expressely forbede that myn' executours make any gret festis or solempne hers or Ferture [sic - offerure?] or any Costlewe lightes or larges of liuereis to the vayneglory or pompe of the World for me to be ordeyned but only to the worship' of god aftre the discrecion' of Maister John' Pynchebeke doctouur in
15. diuinite and on' of myn' Executouurs./ And I bequeth' to §e maister of Seint Katerines if he
be present durying' the Dirige and masse the day of my burying'. vjs viijd./ Item to Euery brother of the saide Collage in like wise being' present iijs iiijd. Item to Euery other prest of the said Collage in like wise being' present xxd./ Item to euery Clerk of §e saide Collage in like wise xijd. Item to Euery Querester in like wise vjd./ Item to euery Suster of the saide place xxd.
20. Item to Every Bedwoman' of the said place viijd. Item I wil §at §e day of my moneth' mynde the same Obseruaunces and seruices be doon' be §e said personnes in §e same Collage and the same Rewardes to be youen to prestes clerkes women and Childerin as afor said./ Item I wil that the same obseruaunce and seruice be doon' at' my first' yere mynde by §e said maister and personnez yeving to euery personne §e half' of §e Rewardis abouesaide. Item I wil that the day of my Bu
25. rying' be yevne to pouer men' women and Childerin' &c. at my moneth day lxvjs iiijd/
And at my yere mynde xls./ Item I wil §at myn' Executouurs by thatvise of the saide maister
John' Pynchebeke finde or do finde an honest' prest' to say masse and pray for my soule
my lordis soule and alle Cristen' soules in the Chapel/ wher' as my Body shall be buried
by vij yer' aftre my decesse yevyng' to the said. prest yerly xij marke./ And to say daily
30. Placebo. Dirige. and masse. whan' he is disposed./ The residue of alle my goodis & Catallis
not bequethen' I yeue and bequeth' to Sir Thomas Tirill knyght Thomas Lowinell John' Aps. the Elder and Robert Boyton' whom I make and ordeyn' myn executouurs/ Over whom I make and ordeyn Superuisouurs my Nobeles the Erle of Warewike and maister John' Pynchebeke abouesaid that myn' Executours by thadvise of §e said maister John' Pinchebeke dispose them in Charitable werkes as they wil answer' to god at the day of Dome./
Probatum fuit supradictum Testamentum Coram domino Apud Lamehith' xvmo die mensis Maij Anno Domini millessimo CCCCmo. Quinquagesimo octauo. Et commissa fuit Administracionum omnium & singulorum Bonorum dicti defuncti Johannis Aps/ executori in dicto testamento nominato. De bene & fideliter admininstrand' bona huiusmodi./ Ac de pleno et fideli Inuentario omnium et singulorum bonorum huiusmodi conficiend'. Et d'no [donato?]
40. citra festum sancte Katerine viriginis proximo exhibend'. Necnon de fideli compoto calculo sine Racio..o & c. in debit' iuris forma iurat' / Reserumat' potestate committend' Administracione alijs coexecutor' in dicto testamento adminatis omni venerint? & c.
(etc)
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Robert Boyton
The Boyntons are a north Yorkshire family. A Christopher Boynton (d.1479) married Agnes Scrope, by whom he had a son Henry, who married the heiress of the Lumleys of Revenshelm (now Ravensworth) Castle near Gateshead. After his death, his widow married Sir Richard Ratcliffe (the Rat), by whom she had a son and daughter, Richard and Isabel; Isabel also made a Lumley marriage. (Lumley and Plantagenet, WE Hampton, Ricardian no 65)
Another Christopher Boynton received from one John Rudston the manor of Castle Levington, value £10, near Yarm in Teesdale. His widow Joan died on 16 January 1489 leaving sons John and Henry Boynton, both aged over 21. Their next heirs were Robert Danby and his wife Elizabeth, their next heir being Srir Thomas Boynton, followed by John Conyers of Hornby. (Inquisitions Post Mortem, Series 2, vol 1)
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In her will, dated April 20, 1457, she lists
Her Lord and husband, buried in the Chapel of the chancel of St Katherine beside the Tower of London.
Proved May 15 1458.
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Here's where the fun starts. The above will is indeed hers and makes eminent sense in regard to dates and place of burial and proving date. However there is also in Testamenta Vetusta a will that is said to be that of the previous duchess of Exter, Margaret Neville, dau of Sir Thos Neville (wife unknown) of Hornby, Lancs. Here's the abstract in full:
"Margaret dutchess of Exeter. My body to be buried in the Chapel of the College of St. Katherine by the Tower of London. And I appoint Sir Thomas Tirrell, Knt. my exeuctor, and my nephew the Earl of Warwick supervisor of this my will. Proved May 15th 1458."
Note that the date of proving for this "Margaret" is exactly the same as for Ann.
The first trouble with this second undated will is that it asks for burial in St Katherine's. In fact Margaret Neville was buried in Bury St Edmund and her husband was buried with her. OK, some people were not buried where they asked.
The second trouble is that Margaret Neville died before 1426. It would be most odd if her will was not proved until over 30 years later, particularly as she died before her husband and thus had virtually no possessions.
The third trouble is her reference to her nephew the earl of Warwick. In 1424 when Margaret died, c. 1424, the earl of Warwick was Richard de Beauchamp; Richard de Beauchamp died in 1439. I can see no relationship between Margaret Neville and Richard de Beauchamp to call him her nephew; nor, in fairness, could Nicolas in T.V. but he did not explore the implications fully. On the other hand Anne Montacute was the sister of Thomas, earl of Salisbury; Thomas' daughter Alice married Richard Neville who thereby became earl of Salisbury. Alice and Richard Neville then had Richard Neville for their eldest son and he married the Beauchamp heiress and became earl of Warwick. By all this Richard Neville, earl of Warwick, was the great-nephew of Anne Montacute at the time she wrote her will.
The conclusion is that this scrap of a will got confused. The longer abstract of Anne Montacute's will came out of Dugdale's office, now degraded in status because of many errors and probable fabrications. Perhaps this piece of paper had the actual name of the dutchess missing and someone copied it out again with Margaret's name on it? Who knows? Anyhow it makes eminent more sense to see it as an alternative abstract of Anne Montacute's will and thus to say the Nicolas got it wrong in Testamenta Vetusta.
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And here is a fuller transcript of the Real Anne's will:
Anne Montagu, Duchess of Exeter
1 In the Name of the moost holy and Blissid Trinite Fader and soon' and holy goost three personnes And oon' god Amen. The xxti day of Aprill the yere of our' lord Jhesu crist M.CCCC. and lvijty I dame duchesse of Excester being' clerly in the faith' Catholik and full mynde and hole vnto Almyghty god bequeth' my soule which' he bought' with his precious blode And to his mercy
5. and grace with the moost enter' deuocion' mekenesse and mynde that I can' And as for the
disposicion' of my body I. orden' and bequeth' it to be buried in the Chapell within the Chauncell. of the Collage of seint Katerines be sides the towre of London' wher' as my Lordys body is buried aftre the discrecion' and meane of myn' Executours. And I wil and Charge that if any dettes be dewe to be paid toany other at my decesse that myn' Executours principally
10. and a fore Althing' pay them . In the moost hasty wise. Item as for the burying' of my body in what parties of the world §at god dispose me to decese. I wilnot but expressely forbede that myn' executours make any gret festis or solempne hers or Ferture [sic - offerure?] or any Costlewe lightes or larges of liuereis to the vayneglory or pompe of the World for me to be ordeyned but only to the worship' of god aftre the discrecion' of Maister John' Pynchebeke doctouur in
15. diuinite and on' of myn' Executouurs./ And I bequeth' to §e maister of Seint Katerines if he
be present durying' the Dirige and masse the day of my burying'. vjs viijd./ Item to Euery brother of the saide Collage in like wise being' present iijs iiijd. Item to Euery other prest of the said Collage in like wise being' present xxd./ Item to euery Clerk of §e saide Collage in like wise xijd. Item to Euery Querester in like wise vjd./ Item to euery Suster of the saide place xxd.
20. Item to Every Bedwoman' of the said place viijd. Item I wil §at §e day of my moneth' mynde the same Obseruaunces and seruices be doon' be §e said personnes in §e same Collage and the same Rewardes to be youen to prestes clerkes women and Childerin as afor said./ Item I wil that the same obseruaunce and seruice be doon' at' my first' yere mynde by §e said maister and personnez yeving to euery personne §e half' of §e Rewardis abouesaide. Item I wil that the day of my Bu
25. rying' be yevne to pouer men' women and Childerin' &c. at my moneth day lxvjs iiijd/
And at my yere mynde xls./ Item I wil §at myn' Executouurs by thatvise of the saide maister
John' Pynchebeke finde or do finde an honest' prest' to say masse and pray for my soule
my lordis soule and alle Cristen' soules in the Chapel/ wher' as my Body shall be buried
by vij yer' aftre my decesse yevyng' to the said. prest yerly xij marke./ And to say daily
30. Placebo. Dirige. and masse. whan' he is disposed./ The residue of alle my goodis & Catallis
not bequethen' I yeue and bequeth' to Sir Thomas Tirill knyght Thomas Lowinell John' Aps. the Elder and Robert Boyton' whom I make and ordeyn' myn executouurs/ Over whom I make and ordeyn Superuisouurs my Nobeles the Erle of Warewike and maister John' Pynchebeke abouesaid that myn' Executours by thadvise of §e said maister John' Pinchebeke dispose them in Charitable werkes as they wil answer' to god at the day of Dome./
Probatum fuit supradictum Testamentum Coram domino Apud Lamehith' xvmo die mensis Maij Anno Domini millessimo CCCCmo. Quinquagesimo octauo. Et commissa fuit Administracionum omnium & singulorum Bonorum dicti defuncti Johannis Aps/ executori in dicto testamento nominato. De bene & fideliter admininstrand' bona huiusmodi./ Ac de pleno et fideli Inuentario omnium et singulorum bonorum huiusmodi conficiend'. Et d'no [donato?]
40. citra festum sancte Katerine viriginis proximo exhibend'. Necnon de fideli compoto calculo sine Racio..o & c. in debit' iuris forma iurat' / Reserumat' potestate committend' Administracione alijs coexecutor' in dicto testamento adminatis omni venerint? & c.
(etc)
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Robert Boyton
The Boyntons are a north Yorkshire family. A Christopher Boynton (d.1479) married Agnes Scrope, by whom he had a son Henry, who married the heiress of the Lumleys of Revenshelm (now Ravensworth) Castle near Gateshead. After his death, his widow married Sir Richard Ratcliffe (the Rat), by whom she had a son and daughter, Richard and Isabel; Isabel also made a Lumley marriage. (Lumley and Plantagenet, WE Hampton, Ricardian no 65)
Another Christopher Boynton received from one John Rudston the manor of Castle Levington, value £10, near Yarm in Teesdale. His widow Joan died on 16 January 1489 leaving sons John and Henry Boynton, both aged over 21. Their next heirs were Robert Danby and his wife Elizabeth, their next heir being Srir Thomas Boynton, followed by John Conyers of Hornby. (Inquisitions Post Mortem, Series 2, vol 1)
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