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Birth8 Jan 1884, Twickenham, Mx
FatherRobert Carter (1855-ca1925)
MotherEtheldreda Lilla Hailstone (ca1858-ca1929)
Notes for Wilfred Robert Carter
Apparently the Times has a birth notice in 1890 - or was this a separate child?  Yes, has to be a later child, if anything, and probably Ina Bianca.

There are far too many Carter births in FreeBMD for Q1 of 1884 to begin to find the child’s name.

But he and four siblings were found from the 1891 census and FreeBMD then quickly released the full names.

His birth index, though not to be found on the new GRO indices, with mother’s maiden name:

First name(s)         WILFRID ROBERT
Last name             CARTER
Birth year            1884
Birth quarter         1
Mother's maiden name  -
District              Brentford
County                Middlesex
Country               England
Volume                3A
Page                  67
Record set            England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Later: Now to be found on the new GRO index:

Name:                      Mother's Maiden Surname:
CARTER, WILFRID ROBERT     HAILSTONE  
GRO Reference: 1884  M Quarter in BRENTFORD  Volume 03A  Page 67
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Which, if any,, of these might be his marriage:

Surname First name(s) Spouse District   Vol  Page
Marriages Sep 1921   (>99%)
Carter Wilfred R Chapman Bradfield   2c   912
Marriages Sep 1930   (>99%)
Carter Wilfred R Whittington Epsom 2a  62
Marriages Sep 1935   (>99%)
Carter Wilfred R Hill Surrey S. W. 2a  1431
Marriages Mar 1944   (>99%)
CARTER Wilfred R J Nicholls Camberwell   1d  837

The spouses, in the same order were:
Laura A Chapman
Amelia L Whittington
Gertrude C Hill
Violet E Nicholls

His will makes it clear that his wife was Amelia Ladysmith and thus née Whittington.

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This 1939 Register record has the same precise birth date and name  and looks very like him at 8,9,10,11 Upper Street,Mortons Lane, City of Westminster, London (with some 40 odd other inhabitants, it looks like a professional boarding house):

First name(s)  Last name(s)  DOB  Sex  Occupation  Marital status  Schedule  Schedule Sub Number
Wilfred R  Carter  08 Jan 1884  Male  Practising Accountant & Solicitors Manager  Married  266  12

Ref: RG101/0639H/017/26 Letter Code: AYUY

So he had been married.
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This is the only death index for a Wilfred R Carter from 1939 to 1990:

First name(s)   WILFRID R
Last name       CARTER
Gender          Male
Birth year      1884
Age             80
Death quarter   1
Death year      1964
District        Essex South Western
County          Essex
Volume          5A
Page            252
Country         England
Record set      England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

But the age does NOT tie in with an 1884 birth year.  Oh yes it does!

But no probate can be found for this death.

Though there is a Probate index (no death registration though), which could before the above death year, but is NOT for the above birth year.

First name(s)   Wilfred Robert
Last name       Carter
Death year      1986
Death date      07 Jun 1986
Probate year    1986
Probate date    29 Sep 1986
Residence town  -
Registry        Winchester
County          Hampshire
Country         England
Record set      England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019
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This advert appeared in The Harrow Observer and Gazette of 17 April 1952:

“Persuant to the Trustee Act 1925

“TAKE NOTICE that all persons having claims against the Estate of Jane Manesterlate of 37 Charterhouse Avenue Wembley, Middlesex, Widow, who died on the 29th January 1952, are requested to send particulars thereof to me the undersigned, or to WILFRED ROBERT CARTER, of 203 Uxbridge Road, Hampton Hill, Middlesex the Executor, on or before the 15th day of June, 1952, after which date the Executor will distribute the estate having regard only to valid claims then notified.

“Dated tis 7th day of April 1952
   SIDNEY FRANKS

“Solicitor for the Executor
21 Blackstock Road,
Finsbury Park,
London  N.4.”
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The above address of Hampton Hill was used for a search in the 1939 Register for wives with the above forenames of Laura A, Amelia L and Gertude C, though I searched for 20 miles around Hampton:

Findings:

1. Laura L A Carter of Fulham, married no husband present, with two children; she was born on 30 Oct 1892.

2. Amelia L Carter had her husband with her, a brick layer & House painter.  Definitely not her.

3.
Gertude C Carter of Southgate, had her husband with her, so not her either.

4. Gertrude C Carter of Epsom, no husband at home, no children and born 1884 and found in Epsom Park Hospital, probably not her.

I don’t think any of these were his family.
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Will notes for Wilfred Robert Carter
This may be his probate index, the only Wilfred Robert Carter proved in 1986:

CARTERT, Wilfred RObert of Belmont 55 Baughurst Rd Aldermaston Reading died 7 June 1986  Probate Winchester 29 September £95830  86524 15929P

I have ordered this will (on 15 Apr 2020).  (Delivered on 7 May)

No Wilfred Robert probate found in 1987 or 1988.
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In his will dated 14 August 1978 he appointer as executors his wife Amelia Ladysmith Carter and his son Raymond Wilfred Robert Carter and listed additionally:

1. His grandson Glenn Carter
2. His granddaughter Amanda Berenice Carter

Sounds like he had but the one child.
Notes for Wilfred Robert & Amelia Ladysmith (Family)
Their marriage index:

First name(s)        WILFRED R
Last name            CARTER
Marriage quarter     3
Marriage year        1930
MarriageFinder       WILFRED R CARTER married one of these people
                     Amelia L Whittington
Spouse's last name   Whittington
District             Epsom
County               Surrey
Country              England
Volume               2A
Page number          62
Record set           England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
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