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Birthbef 7 Mar 1741
Baptism7 Mar 1741, Alvenstoke, Hants [19, Alverstoke parish register.]
Death2 Oct 1795, Holles St, Cavendish Sq, London [70, 1795, quoted by Leo Culleton in 1912.]
GeneralKt: 29 Jun 1794, Deputy Controller of H M Navy. Previously Capt., RN.
FatherCaptain Samuel Marshall RN (ca1711-1768)
MotherEdith Pratt (1712-ca1781)
Notes for Sir Samuel Marshall
Abstract from "Notes & Queries" in 1912 by Leo Culleton:

Captain Sir SAMUEL MARSHALL, Kt, R.N. who became Deputy Comptroller of the Royal Navy in 1794 at a salary of £800, and died at his house in Holles Street, Cavendish Square, on 2 October 1995, aged 55, was, perhaps, a son of Capt SAMUEL MARSHAL, RN (some account of whom will be found in Charnock's "Biographia Navalis" vol VI p. 51), who died at Gosport in April 1768, having been stationed there for thirty years.  Sir SAMUEL, married ELIZABETH second daughter of Sir SAMUEL WORSLEY of Gatcombe, Isle of Wight Kt (who died 14 Aug 1762 aged 46), and ELIZABETH his wife (who died 25 May, 1774), daughter of Sir John Miller of Froyle, Hants.
His daughter ELIZABETH MARGARET, born 19 Sept 1767, was married at St. George's, Hanover Square, on 12 April 1785 to the Rev GEORGE WILLIAM AURIOL HAY DRUMMOND, fifth son of the most Rev the Hon ROBERT HAY DRUMMOND, Archbishop of York, and nephew of THOMAS eighth Earl of Kinnoul, and died on 15 Feb 1799.  Another daughter, EDITH MARY, was married at the same church on 8 July 1789 to FITZWILLIAM BARRINGTON, Esq. of Swainston, Isle of Wight, afterwards tenth and last Baronet, and died at Exeter in 1845.

(Sounds like this note was done from the work that RCL P-L paid him to do.  And where did Culleton get the 1845 death from, Cokayne apart?  It was wrong, as a subsequent discovery proved in 2013: she died in London in 1829 and was buried in Bristol Cathedral.)
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Leo Culleton, RCLP-L's investigator, had written to RCL P-L with the thought that Samuel Marshall's knighthood was merely a "foreign order" and not an English knight.  He could find no English record of any knighthoold.

Only in 1810 (or 1813) was it forbidden to assume any Style, Appelation, Precedence or Privilege from foreign orders.
TFPL, 2002: But Royal Licences could be obtained to overcome this.
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His christening on FamilySearch, probably in 1740/1, that is 1741 in modern calendaring:

Father: Samuel Marshal
Mother: Edith
Name Samuel Marshal
Gender Male
Christening Date 07 Mar 1741
Christening Place ALVERSTOKE,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name Samuel Marshal
Mother's Name Edith
Indexing Project (Batch) Number J07357-1
System Origin England-ODM
GS Film number 918899
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TFPL: August 2003:
He is to be found in the Navy Lists for 1783 and 1790 as a Captain, originally appointed to this rank on 24th Jan 1771.
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An incredible document has been produced by David Armstrong, his examination for lieutenancy on the 4th February 1760, which records:
"In purusuance, etc, of the 4th Febry 1760, We have examined Mr Samuel Marshall, who by Certificate appears to be more than 20 years of Age, & find he has gone to Sea more than 6 years in the Ships and Qualitys Undermentioned (viz)
  Tyger  .  .  .  Captn Servant  .  .  .    .  .  .  0.5.2.3
  Bristol  .  .  .  Able  .  .  .    .  .  .    .  .  .  0.9.2.2
                        Mids  .  .  .    .  .  .    .  .  .  0.1.2.2
                        Able  .  .  .    .  .  .    .  .  .  0.3.0.1
  Nottingham  Mids  .  .  .    .  .  .    .  .  .  1.4.3.0
  Somerset  .  .  Able  .  .  .    .  .  .    .  .  .  1.3.1.6
                          Mids  .  .  .    .  .  .    .  .  .  0.6.1.1
  Namur  .  .  .  Able  .  .  .    .  .  .    .  .  .  3.4.3.2
  Terrible  .  .  .  5th Lieutt  .  .  .    .  .  .  1.8.0.3
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                                                                 6.11.3.4
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He produceth Journals kept by himself in the Nottingham and Terrible, & Certificates from Captains Marshall, Hughes, Buckle, Collins, & Montagu, of his Diligence, etc; he can splice, knot, reef a sail, etc: and is qualified to do the Duty of an Able Seaman and Midshipman.  Dated 6th Febry 1760
GC. DD. Capt Abm North
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Additionally David Armstrong has produced an abstract of papers, of which all but two are clearly connected to Sam Marshall, presented to the Royal Services Institution by Harold G Jackson, O.B.B., R.N., December 30th 1919:

1. Commission or Warrant by Vice-Admiral Lord Hood, Commander-in-chief in the mediterranean, appointing Thomas B. Martin, Esq (afterwards Admiral of the Fleet Sir Thomas Byam martin, G.C.B.) Captain of His Majesty's Ship "Modeste", dated November 5th, 1793.

2. Order by Sir John Jervis, K.B. (afterwards Earl St Vincent), Commander-in-Chief of a Sqwuadron of His Majesty's Ships and Vessels to be employed on a particular Service, directing Captain (afterwards Sir) Samuel Marshall, Commander of His Majesty's ship "Flora" (in pursuance of an Admiralty order) to place himself and his ship under Sir John Jervis' command, dated 5th January 1783. [q.v. Sir John in this family database]

3. Copy of a letter, dated 1st June 1782, from the Admiralty to Lord Rodney [also q.v. this family database]  signifying the King's approbation of his and his officers' conduct on the 12th April 1782, when a complete victory was won over the French Fleet, commanded by the Comte de Grasse, off Dominique.

4. Copy of a Resolution of Thanks of the House of Lords, signed by Vice-Admiral Sir George Brydges Rodney, Bart, K.B. (afterwards Lordd Rodney), dated 22nd may, 1782, upon the occasion of the victory of the 12th April 1782, and sent to Captain Marshall, H.M.S. "Flora".

5. Copy of a Resolution of the House of Commons, authenticated by the signature of Vice-Admiral Sir G. B. Rodney, expressing the thanks of the House upon the occasion of the victory of the 12th April, 1782, dated 22nd may 1782, and sent to captain Marshall, H.M.S. "Flora".

6. Small Log kept by Captain Samuel Marshall, H. M. S. Nottingham, in 1762, in connection with the capture of Port Royal and other operations.

7. A note from Lord Rodney, commencing "Dear Sam" (presumably Captain Sir S. Marshall), but undated.

8. Plan of "Line of Battle" by Admiral the Hon. Augustus Keppel (afterwards Viscount Keppel, the 6th of May 1778, and sent to Captain Marshall, H. M. S. "Arethusa".

8. Order by Vice-Admiral Robert Roddam, "Commander-in-Chief of His majesty's Ships and vessels in the River Medway and at the Buoy of the Nore", to Captain Marshall, H. M. S. "Swift", with reference to sailing with a convoy of armed ships and armed transports and a possibility of falling in with the notorious Paul Jones and taking, burning, sinking or destroying the said "rebel" and his ship.

10. Order or Memorandum by Admiral the Hon. Augustus Keppel to Captain Marshall, H. M. S. "Arethusa", with regards to the detention and disposal of any neutral vessels that might be fallen in with loaded with naval or warlike stores for the ports of... [missing from photocopy].

11. Letter from the Admiralty, dated 12th December, 1778, instructing Captain Marshall, H. M. S. "Arethusa", to remain ashore until after the Court martial to be held on Admiral the Hon. Augustus Keppel.

12. Portion of a letter or article, condemnatory or ministers, apparently communicated to the "North Briton", and the cause of the discharge of one private Anthony Nicholls from the Coldstream Guards by the Secretary of State for War; with a subsequent protest that the latter proceeding was irregular.

13. Letter from the War office, dated 1st July 1779, signed by the Hon. Charles Jenkinson (afterwards Earl of Liverpool), Secretary at War, conveying thanks but declining acceptance, of an offer of voluntary service of the militia of the isle of Wight on board any ship commanded by Captain Marshall of the "Arethusa"; and also the proposal of Mr Holmes to raisea a company at his own expense.  [Obviously connected with the Worseleys and Barringtons of the isle of Wight and where a Worseley heiress marriaed a Holmes who later changed his name to Worseley.]
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A very interesting further note from David Armstrong:

From: "David Armstrong" <ticketx@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Sir Samuel MARSHALL
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 16:10:35 +1000
To: powys@pop3.feathermail.co.uk

Hello Tim ,
Just a quick note re Sir Sam . After a bit more digging I was given the following note from a friend who is also trying to find out more on his Knighthood. This may well be the answer to our query.

Regards
David
Brisbane
36 C
Merry Christmas
Samuel MARSHALL Royal Navy - Knighthood



Item 1

Checking the note you sent me, I discovered that he was the uncle of Lt Henry Topham Harley Maitland, RN.

Here is something from the Naval Atalantis that may interest you:

Naval Atalantis, ii, p 27-28
Captain Samuel Marshall is the officer who struck the first blow last war as Commander of the Arethusa frigate, which engaged the most Christian Kingıs ship "la Belle Poule", and thereby brought on a commencement of general hostilities between Great Britain and France.

Captain Marshall is deservedly esteemed a very excellent officer and an experienced seaman. He served throughout the war with great credit and reputation, first in the "Arethusa", which was stationed as a channel cruizer, and afterwards in another frigate on the West India station.

On his return from the West Indies, he retired from service, it is said on account of his health being impaired, and was not employed again till some time after the establishment of peace had taken place. He was then appointed to the command of His Majestyıs ship" le Pegase", a guard ship at Portsmouth.

A vacancy for a commissioner of the victualling office having happened, and it being a rule that one of them should be an experienced Captain in the navy, this officer gave up the command of the Pegase, and succeeded to the vacancy at the victualling board, where his abilities and integrity must render him every way qualified to fill the office with crefit to himself and to the advantage of this country.

The action of the Arethusa vs la Belle Poule was on 1778-06-17 off Brest and was the 1st of the American war.


Item 2

I think I have solved the knighthood mystery of Sam Marshall: I
overlooked the fact that he was passed over for his flag on 1794-04-12 and was superannuated as a Captain on 1794-04-17.

This is most probably because he was in the civil service and would have had to resign his very lucrative post. He was probably knighted as a compensation.And

There are other people who were knighted and not in Knights of England.

So I believe that we can say that he was knighted in 1794.
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April 2004: Yet more good material from David Armstrong:

From: "David Armstrong" <ticketx@ozemail.com.au>
To: powys@pop3.feathermail.co.uk
Subject: Sir Samuel Marshall
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:04:40 +1000

Here is some more from my Sir Sam file .
Soon after the battle in 1778 and on the other side of the channel , the Rev W H Fitchett, LLD wrote in an article A famous fight between an english and a french frigate,

". The Arethusa was a stumpy little frigate, scanty in crew, light in guns, attached to the fleet of Admiral Keppel, then cruising off Brest.

.Meanwhile the _Arethusa_ was in eager pursuit of the Belle Poule; a fox-terrier chasing a mastiff! The Belle Poule was a splendid ship, with heavy metal, and a crew more than twice as numerous as that of the tiny Arethusa. But Marshall, its captain, was a singularly gallant sailor, and not the man to count odds.

.As a matter of fact Marshall hung doggedly on the Frenchman's quarter for two long hours, fighting a ship twice as big as his own. The Belle Poule was eager to escape; Marshall was resolute that it should not escape, and, try as he might, the Frenchman, during that fierce two hours' wrestle, failed to shake off his tiny but dogged antagonist. The Arethusa's masts were shot away, its jib-boom hung a tangled wreck over its bows, its bulwarks were shattered, half its guns were dismounted, and nearly every third man in its crew struck down. But still it hung, with quenchless and obstinate courage, on the Belle Poule's quarter,
and by its perfect seamanship and the quickness and the deadly
precision with which its lighter guns worked, reduced its towering foe to a condition of wreck almost as complete as its own. The terrier, in fact, was proving too much for the mastiff.

Suddenly the wind fell. With topmasts hanging over the side, and canvas torn to ribbons, the Arethusa lay shattered and moveless on the sea.
The shot-torn but loftier sails of the Belle Poule, however, yet held wind enough to drift her out of the reach of the Arethusa's fire. Both ships were close under the French cliffs; but the Belle Poule, like a broken-winged bird, struggled into a tiny cove in the rocks, and nothing remained for the Arethusa but to cut away her wreckage, hoistwhat sail she could, and drag herself sullenly back under jury-masts to the British fleet."



.and the song.

On 2nd February 1796, soon after the death of Captain Sir Samuel
Marshall , the musical "Lock and Key" by William Shield ( based on a libretto by Prince Hoare) , was performed at Covent Garden, and became an immediate andlasting success.(  see attached)

The hero, a naval officer, sings "the Saucy Arethusa" under the window of his love:

Come, all ye jolly sailors bold,

Whose hearts are cast in honour's mould,

While English glory I unfold,

Huzza for the Arethusa!

She is a frigate tight and brave

As ever stemmed the dashing wave;

Her men are staunch to their fav'rite launch,

And when the foe shall meet our fire,

Sooner than strike we'll all expire,

On board of the Arethusa!

'Twas with the spring fleet she went out,

The English Channel to cruise about,

When four French sail, in show so stout,

Bore down on the Arethusa!

The famed Belle Poole straight a head did lie,

The Arethusa seemed to fly,

Not a sheet or a tack, or a brace did she slack,

Tho' the Frenchmen laugh'd and thought it stuff,

But they knew not the handful of men how tough,

On board of the Arethusa!

On deck five hundred men did dance,

The stoutest they could find in France,

We with two hundred did advance,

On board of the Arethusa!

Our captain hailed the Frenchman, "Ho!"

The Frenchmen then cried out, "Hallo!"

"Bear down, d'ye see, to our Admiral's lee,"

"No, no," says the Frenchman, "that can't be,"

"Then I must lug you along with me."

Says the saucy Arethusa!

The fight was off the Frenchman's land,

We forced them back upon their strand,

For we fought till not a stick would stand,

Of the gallant Arethusa!

And now we've driven the foe ashore,

Never to fight with Britons more,

Let each fill a glass to his fav'rite lass!

A health to the captain and officers true,

And all that belong to the jovial crew,

On board of the Arethusa! "

While the composition of the song is generally attributed to William Shield ; he claimed to have done no more than the orchestration. The air is a variant of the "Princess Royal", a well-known tune often attributed to Turlough O'Carolan, but in fact a traditional country dance about 1730.

While it's difficult to imagine a young lady falling into the arms of the hero after such a warlike serenade, the song nevertheless achieved immediate and lasting popularity.

Regards

David Armstrong
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May 2004, TFPL: Another gem from David Armstrong:

The Times of the 2nd July 1794 recorded that on the 29th June 1794 Commissioner Marshall was knighted by His MAJESTY (George III) at a Royal Visit to the ships at Spithead.  A final firm refutation of Leo Culleton (above).  The text is:

"During the Levee at the Governor's House, Titles were onferred on some Gentlemen:-Commissioners Marshall and Rule, of the Navy Board, were knighted--The untitled Officers who had flags in Lord Howe's fleet, together with Sir Roger Curtis and Sir Andrew Douglas, will each be honoured with the dignity of a Baronet."

The last may have given rise to the baronetcy that Sam. Marshall had been credited with by some of his Simeon descendants, but a further snippet from David makes this incorrect:  From the Times of the 23rd Sept 1789:

"Commissioner Marshall's plan for a watering place for the use of the Navy at Ryde in the isle of Wight is highly approved of by all Naval men, who are sensible with how much ease the ships may be completed with water upon an emergency, by only Moving to the Mother Bank."

That Marhsall was a commissioner in 1789 means that he could not have had a flag in Lord Howe's fleet in 1794.

(The same snippet from the Times includes this gem: Lieutenant Bligh of the Navy, who commands the Bounty, was, with all her crew, in good health.  At some of the Islands, the natives gave them the friendly reception experienced by Captain Cook; but at one island they attempted to steal a boat and an anchor, and some hostilities ensued.")
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He is in the 1783 and 1790 lists of Flag Officers as a captain with a seniority from 24th January 1771.
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Will notes for Sir Samuel Marshall
His will, abstracted by Leo Culleton, PCC 643 Newcastle:

Dated 3 Mar 1795, proved 10 Nov 1795.

Whereas I have paid to and for the use of my late sone considerably more money that he would have been entitled to receive under his late mother's marriage settlement, and whereas at my decease my daughters surviving me would have been entitled to the legacy of £400 bequeathed them by their grandmother Lady WORSLEY had not they and their husbands assigned the same to me for good and valuable considerations.
Now I give to JONATHAN FAULKNER Esquire vice admiral of the Red, BROOK WATSON of London Esquire & WILLIAM WHEATLEY HUSSEY of Broad Street, London, Gentleman their executors and administrators all that said legacy of £400 and my rights and interest therein and also £900 share of interest of in my consolidated 3% annuities upon trust, to receive the said legacy and all interest due and to invest the same in the purchase of more consolidated 3% bank annuities, in trust to pay thereout to the widow DUCKITT for life £14 for her dower of Privet Farm and after payment thereof in trust as to one lioety or half part thereof for the sole use and benefit of my daughter ELIZABETH MARGARET wife of the Reverend GEORGE WILLIAM AURIOL DRUMMOND for her natural life and the other moiety or half part in trust for the sole use of my daughter EDITH MARY now the wife of FITZWILLIAM BARRINGTON Esquire for her natural life.
It is my intention to extend the benefit of the said trust stock in order to make some provision for the children of my said daughters respectively if they should leave any at their deaths.  I will that after the decease of either of my said daughters my said trustees or the survivor of them shall stand possessed of one moiety of the said trust and in like manner after the decease of the other of them in the others moiety in trust for such child or children of my daughters dying in proportions as appear by her last will and testament, but in case she should not make such provisions in equal shares should there be more that one.
Executors: The said JONATHAN FAULKNER, BROOK WATSON, WILLIAM WHEATLEY HUSSEY
Witnesses: G T TOWNY, Commissioner of the victualling, H T HARRIS, Grocer, Corner of Vere St in Oxford St.

Codicil: Wednesday Sept 9th 1795
I give to my executors named £1200 consolidated bank annuities in trust for the benefit of my two daughters respectively and of their children.
And whereas my sister EDITH MAITLAND is indebted to me on ballancing accounts of legacies under the wills of our parents and other matters in £367 and upwards it is my will that on her paying £183.10 my executors give her a receipt in full of all demand and her son my late nephew HENRY MAITLAND being indebted to me near £180 chiefly on his different equipments for and services at sea I desire my executors to receive what shall be coming due to him to pay prize money, etc.

2nd Codicil, 17 Sept 1795
I give to each of my sons-in-law £50.
All my household goods and furniture, linen wearing apparel, plate china pictures and all the residue of my personal estate between my two daughters.

3rd Codicil, 23 Sept 1795
I revoke the legacy in a former codicil, of £50 to each of my sons-in-law and in lieu I give them 100 guineas.
To my faithful servant Mrs LUCY TIBBALD £40.
To THOMAS HYMER my good servant boy £10
To the other servants WILLIAM CHITTY & SARAH CLEAVERLEY mourning
I give my gold headed cane which was originally Lord KEPPELS and was given to my by the family of my dear friend the late Sir HENRY MARTIN Comptroller of the Navy unto Capt BYAM MARTIN of His Majesty's ship Sta Marguerita son of the said late Sir HENRY.

On 7 Nov 1795
Appeared personally GEORGE PHILLIPS TOWNY Esquire one of the commissioners of his Majesty's victually office and made oath that he knew and was well acquainted with Sir SAMUEL MARSHALL late of Holles Street in the parish of St. Mary-le-bone, co, Middx. Knight and also with his manner and character of writing and believed the whole to be in the hand writing of the said deceased.

On 14 Oct 1795
Appeared personally FRANCIS STEPHENS Esquire one of the commissioners of his Majesty's victuallying office and testified to the writing in the will and codicils.

Proved with three codicils 10 Nov 1795 by BROOK WATSON Esquire &
WILLIAM WHEATLEY HUSSEY the surviving executors named in the will.
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Arms Generally notes for Sir Samuel Marshall
We inherit his quartering, so what were his arms?
On the Simeon armorial they are:
Gules on a fesse or three boars heads couped sable between three mascles or.
Armorial Blazon notes for Sir Samuel Marshall
Gules on a fesse or three boars heads couped sable between three mascles or.
Blazon source notes for Sir Samuel Marshall
On the assembly of arms done by his eldest granddaughter Louisa Edith Simeon, née Barrington.
Notes for Samuel & Elizabeth (Family)
Abstracted by Leo Culleton in 1912:

Allegations for Marriage Licence in the Registry of the Bishp of Winchester

Marshall, Samuel, Junr, of Berry (in the parish of Alverstoke) Co. Southampton, but now residing at Gatcombe, Esq., 21, & Elizabeth Worsley, of Gatcombe, 20, with c. of James Worsley and W. Clarke, 9 Oct., 1764. Richard Clarke, of Newport, gent, bondsman.
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And Boyd’s Misc Marriages has this:

Year of Marriage: 1764
Last Name: Worsly
First Name: Elz
Supplied First Name: Elz
Spouse's Last Name: Marshall
Spouse's First Name: Samuel
Spouse's Supplied First Name: Sam
Place: Gatcombe
County: Isle of Wight
Notes:
Record source:Boyd's 1st Misc Series 1538-1775
Data provider:
Society of Genealogists
Transcriptions © Society of Genealogists 
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Finally, FamilySearch’s transcription from the filmed record:

spouse:          Elizabeth Worsley
Name:          Samuel Marshall
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Worsley
Event Date     10 Oct 1764
Event Place      Gatcombe, Hampshire, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number M05999-2
System Origin England-EASy
GS Film number 1470877
Reference ID     item 20-23
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