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Birth20 Mar 1897, West Bromwich Staffs
Death1981
FatherThomas Morris (ca1854-)
MotherEmma Groom (1859-)
Notes for Gertrude Morris
Said to have lived from 1897 to 1981.
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Her birth index:

First name(s)         Gertrude
Last name             Morris
Birth quarter         2
Birth year            1897
Mother's maiden name  Groom
District              West Bromwich
County                Staffordshire
Country               England
Volume                6B
Page                  836
Record set            England & Wales Births 1837-2006

In the 1901 census she was with her family and born in West Bromwich abd in 1911 she was also with her family.  Her parents were reported to have been married for 33 yeears and to have had 16 children of whom 11 were then alive.  This made her parents married 1878.  Indeed there was a marriage then of a Thomas Morris and Emma Groom, confirming the maiden surname on the above birth record. (Phew!)

So her parents were Thomas Morris and Emma née Groom.

Using this information on the new-ish GRO database at <https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp#Results>; produces the following children to a MORRIS father and a GROOM mother in the whole of England:

    Name:                       Mother's Maiden Surname:
    MORRIS, CHARLES  DAVID      GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1882  D Quarter in ST GEORGE IN THE EAST  Volume 01C  Page 390
    MORRIS, JOHN                GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1882  M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 796
    MORRIS, WALTER  WILLIAM     GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1881  J Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE  Volume 10B  Page 23
    MORRIS, ELIZABETH           GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1880  J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 877
    MORRIS, SELINA              GROOM
GRO Reference: 1879  M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 836

    MORRIS, EMMA                GROOM
GRO Reference: 1887  D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 732
    MORRIS, JANE                GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1883  D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 792
    MORRIS, LOUISA  JANE        GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1884  M Quarter in ATCHAM  Volume 06A  Page 647
    MORRIS, ROSANNA             GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1885  J Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE  Volume 10B  Page 36
    MORRIS, FREDERICK  GEORGE   GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1884  D Quarter in RICHMOND SURREY  Volume 02A  Page 390
    MORRIS, JOHN                GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1886  S Quarter in ATCHAM  Volume 06A  Page 643
    MORRIS, JOHN  HARRY         GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1886  M Quarter in RICHMOND-SURREY  Volume 02A  Page 408
    MORRIS, ROBERT              GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1887  J Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE  Volume 10B  Page 40
    MORRIS, WILLIAM             GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1885  D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 790

    MORRIS, HARRY  BENJAMIN     GROOM
GRO Reference: 1888  M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST  Volume 01C  Page 400
    MORRIS, WALTER  THOMAS      GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1892  S Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN  Volume 01C  Page 481
    MORRIS, ADA                 GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1889  M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 807
    MORRIS, ETHEL  MARY         GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1890  S Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN  Volume 01C  Page 433
    MORRIS, HANNAH              GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1891  J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 890
    MORRIS, LILY  ANN           GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1889  M Quarter in ATCHAM  Volume 06A  Page 623
    MORRIS, MAY                 GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1892  J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 866
    MORRIS, NELLIE  AUGUSTA ISABELLA   GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1892  J Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 98

    MORRIS, DOROTHY  LILY       GROOM
GRO Reference: 1896  S Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 88
    MORRIS, EMILY               GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1894  S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 809
    MORRIS, GERTRUDE            GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1897  J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 836
    MORRIS, HENRY  WILLIAM      GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1894  S Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 120
    MORRIS, THOMAS              GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1895  S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 857
    MORRIS, ALFRED              GROOM
GRO Reference: 1900  D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 865

    MORRIS, GEORGE              GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1898  J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 892
    MORRIS, ALICE  ETHEL        GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1898  J Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 124
    MORRIS, LILY                GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1902  J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 955
    MORRIS, DOUGLAS  MONTAGUE   GROOM
GRO Reference: 1905  S Quarter in STAINES  Volume 03A  Page 11

    MORRIS, HARRY               GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1905  M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 952
    MORRIS, FRANCIS  GEORGE WILFRID   GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1909  J Quarter in ATCHAM  Volume 06A  Page 616
    MORRIS, BEATRICE  MARY      GROOM
GRO Reference: 1911  S Quarter in SWANSEA  Volume 11A  Page 2359

I note that the West Bromwich births stopped in 1905 and that in the 1911 census for Emily there were no children born after 1905.

This can be sorted into births by place and in time order:

    Name:                       Mother's Maiden Surname:
    MORRIS, SELINA              GROOM
GRO Reference: 1879  M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 836
    MORRIS, ELIZABETH           GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1880  J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 877
    MORRIS, JOHN                GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1882  M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 796
    MORRIS, JANE                GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1883  D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 792
    MORRIS, WILLIAM             GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1885  D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 790
    MORRIS, EMMA                GROOM
GRO Reference: 1887  D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 732
    MORRIS, ADA                 GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1889  M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 807
    MORRIS, HANNAH              GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1891  J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 890
    MORRIS, MAY                 GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1892  J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 866
    MORRIS, EMILY               GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1894  S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 809
    MORRIS, THOMAS              GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1895  S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 857
    MORRIS, GERTRUDE            GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1897  J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 836
    MORRIS, GEORGE              GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1898  J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 892
    MORRIS, ALFRED              GROOM
GRO Reference: 1900  D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 865
    MORRIS, LILY                GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1902  J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 955
    MORRIS, HARRY               GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1905  M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 952

This is 16 such children born in West Bromwich.  The 1911 census records that Gertrude had had had 16 children, of whom 11 were then living.  The last one listed  above is Harry born in 1905 and by pure coincidence this is the same in the 1911 census aged 6.  QED?


    Name:                       Mother's Maiden Surname:
    MORRIS, CHARLES  DAVID      GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1882  D Quarter in ST GEORGE IN THE EAST  Volume 01C  Page 390
    MORRIS, HARRY  BENJAMIN     GROOM
GRO Reference: 1888  M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST  Volume 01C  Page 400



    Name:                       Mother's Maiden Surname:
    MORRIS, WALTER  WILLIAM     GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1881  J Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE  Volume 10B  Page 23
    MORRIS, ROSANNA             GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1885  J Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE  Volume 10B  Page 36
    MORRIS, ROBERT              GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1887  J Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE  Volume 10B  Page 40


    Name:                       Mother's Maiden Surname:
    MORRIS, LOUISA  JANE        GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1884  M Quarter in ATCHAM  Volume 06A  Page 647
    MORRIS, JOHN                GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1886  S Quarter in ATCHAM  Volume 06A  Page 643


    Name:                       Mother's Maiden Surname:
    MORRIS, FREDERICK  GEORGE   GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1884  D Quarter in RICHMOND SURREY  Volume 02A  Page 390
    MORRIS, JOHN  HARRY         GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1886  M Quarter in RICHMOND-SURREY  Volume 02A  Page 408


    Name:                       Mother's Maiden Surname:
    MORRIS, WALTER  THOMAS      GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1892  S Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN  Volume 01C  Page 481
    MORRIS, ETHEL  MARY         GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1890  S Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN  Volume 01C  Page 433


    Name:                       Mother's Maiden Surname:
    MORRIS, LILY  ANN           GROOM
GRO Reference: 1889  M Quarter in ATCHAM  Volume 06A  Page 623
    MORRIS, FRANCIS  GEORGE WILFRID   GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1909  J Quarter in ATCHAM  Volume 06A  Page 616


    Name:                       Mother's Maiden Surname:
    MORRIS, NELLIE  AUGUSTA ISABELLA   GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1892  J Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 98
    MORRIS, HENRY  WILLIAM      GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1894  S Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 120
    MORRIS, DOROTHY  LILY       GROOM
GRO Reference: 1896  S Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 88
    MORRIS, ALICE  ETHEL        GROOM  
GRO Reference: 1898  J Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 124


    Name:                       Mother's Maiden Surname:
    MORRIS, DOUGLAS  MONTAGUE   GROOM
GRO Reference: 1905  S Quarter in STAINES  Volume 03A  Page 11


    Name:                       Mother's Maiden Surname:
    MORRIS, BEATRICE  MARY      GROOM
GRO Reference: 1911  S Quarter in SWANSEA  Volume 11A  Page 2359

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It looks like she re-married in Q3 of 1936 1936 to Arthur Lees

In 1939 she was at 20 Burcote Road, Birmingham, Warks:

First name(s)  Last name(s)  DOB  Sex  Occupation  Marital  status  Schedule  Schedule Sub Number
Gertrude           Lees  20 Mar 1897  Female  Domestic Duties  Married  79  1
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
Graham (Andrew) Lees  09 Dec 1936  Male  Under School Age  Single  79  6

Ref: RG101/5496H/009/21
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No death found anywhere on FindMyPast or Ancestry, not even a Gertrude with no surname, born in 1897  +/- 1yr and died in 1881 +/- 2 yrs.

No third marriage found anywhere.
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The Muggleston births with a mother’s maiden name of Morris are:

Last name   First name(s)  Year Of Birth  Year Of Death  Year  Location
Muggleston  Rowland A      1921           —              1921  Leicester, Leicestershire
Muggleston  Dorothea G     1924           —              1924  West Bromwich, Staffordshire
Muggleston  June M         1927           —              1927  Birmingham North, Warwickshire
Muggleston  Ronald W       1929           —              1929  Birmingham North, Warwickshire
Muggleston  Geoffrey A     1931           —              1931  Birmingham North, Warwickshire
Muggleston  Norma          1933           —              1933  Birmingham, Warwickshire

In the Ancestry Tree, the first is blanked out and the last is completely missing.  But on the tree the blanked out one, in fact Norma, married a John W Bird who lived from 1928 to 2015 so this might be findable: they married in 1953; but his death was in Australia so the rest of the information will be a little hidden.  So move on to the next child, Dorothea, as Rowland does not seem to have married.

Dorothea m. David J Hocking in 1953 and they had 2 children, girls, Carol A born in Newton Abbot in 1956 and Nicola E born in Launceston, Cornwall in 1964.  Carol m. a Christopher J Palmer in 1979 and the electoral rolls of 2002 on show they had with them Cindy, David and Trevor, but the birth recoprds do not show any Palmer Children.  Nicola E R Hocking m. a Bradley L Smith in 1990 aand there were a load of Smith-Hocking infants.

Moving on to the next Muggleston infant, June M who m. Ernest Arthur Hollinrake (should be easy to find).  They m. in Q2 of 1957 in Birmingham and had 2 girls, Anne S in 1958 at Nuneaton and Gillian in 1960 in Sutton Coldfield.  Anne looks like she m. Anrthony Rothin in 1983 in Lichfield and had no children.  Gillian m. Leslie C Sprason in Jan 1984 in Lichfield and no children found for them either.
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Notes for Frank Douglas & Gertrude (Family)
Their marriage index:

First name(s)       Frank D
Last name           Muggleston
Marriage quarter    3
Marriage year       1919
MarriageFinder      Frank D Muggleston married one of these people
                    Gertrude Morris
Spouse's last name  Morris
District            West Bromwich
County              Staffordshire
Country             England
Volume              6B
Page number         1932
Record set          England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
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Last Modified 1 Mar 2021Created 14 May 2022 by Tim Powys-Lybbe
Re-created by Tim Powys-Lybbe on 14 May 20220