Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
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Notes for Ralph Bygod
Brad verity has at last obtained the evidence on this chap’s marriage, which was NOT to Margaret Constable.
From: "Brad Verity" <...@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Subject: Re: Descents From Edward III For Judge Richard Aske, Regicide Counsel
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:13:50 -0700
To: gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
>From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <...@powys.org>
>The only reference I can find to the Greystoke-Aske connection is in the
>Visitations of the North, pub Surtees Soc 1930, Greystoke pedigree part
>iii, p. 139. This gives an additional generation:
>
>Anne Greystoke = Ralph Bigod
>|
>Ralph Bigod = (Margaret) a dau of Robert Constable
>
>and this couple everywhere says led to:
>
>|
>Elizabeth Bigod = John Aske.
>
>Who has any evidence for which version?
Dear Tim,
>From 'Testamenta Eboracensia' Vol. III (1865), p. 327: "1432-3, Jan. 29.
Dispensation from John Selow, vicar-general, for Ralph, son of Sir John
Bigod knt., and Anne, daughter of Ralph lord Greystock, to marry, they being
twice related in the 4th degree. Issued from Rome by Eugenius IV., Feb. 18,
anno primo."
Anne's will is printed in the same volume, p. 226: "Anna Bigod, vidua,
relicta Radulphi Bigod, militis", so she survived him and he didn't take a
second wife.
The release of the Aske/Bigod marriage settlement properties is in
'Yorkshire Deeds' in Yorks. Arch. Soc. Vol. 17 (1903), p. 109: "September 5,
2 Edw. IV (1462) ... upon trust to enfeoff John son and heir of the said
Richard Aske and Margaret, late his wife, and Elizabeth daughter of Ralph
Bygote, knight, and Anne, late his wife, within six weeks after their
marriage..."
This proves Elizabeth Bigod's parentage. The c.1480 Visitation pedigree of
Greystoke confused the heralds, with the family being so numerous and
well-married. It was hopefully the herald, and not the Greystoke family
informant, who confused the John-Ralph-John-Ralph-John Bigod generations,
which go:
1) Sir John Bigod m. Constance de Mauley
2) Sir Ralph Bigod m. Anne Greystoke
3) Sir John Bigod m. Elizabeth le Srope
4) Sir Ralph Bigod m. 1)Margaret Constable
5) Sir John Bigod m. Joan Strangways
6) Sir Francis Bigod
The 1530 Visitation pedigree of Bigod, whose informant was Sir Francis
above, starts with generation 4.
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From: "Brad Verity" <...@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Subject: Re: Descents From Edward III For Judge Richard Aske, Regicide Counsel
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:13:50 -0700
To: gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
>From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <...@powys.org>
>The only reference I can find to the Greystoke-Aske connection is in the
>Visitations of the North, pub Surtees Soc 1930, Greystoke pedigree part
>iii, p. 139. This gives an additional generation:
>
>Anne Greystoke = Ralph Bigod
>|
>Ralph Bigod = (Margaret) a dau of Robert Constable
>
>and this couple everywhere says led to:
>
>|
>Elizabeth Bigod = John Aske.
>
>Who has any evidence for which version?
Dear Tim,
>From 'Testamenta Eboracensia' Vol. III (1865), p. 327: "1432-3, Jan. 29.
Dispensation from John Selow, vicar-general, for Ralph, son of Sir John
Bigod knt., and Anne, daughter of Ralph lord Greystock, to marry, they being
twice related in the 4th degree. Issued from Rome by Eugenius IV., Feb. 18,
anno primo."
Anne's will is printed in the same volume, p. 226: "Anna Bigod, vidua,
relicta Radulphi Bigod, militis", so she survived him and he didn't take a
second wife.
The release of the Aske/Bigod marriage settlement properties is in
'Yorkshire Deeds' in Yorks. Arch. Soc. Vol. 17 (1903), p. 109: "September 5,
2 Edw. IV (1462) ... upon trust to enfeoff John son and heir of the said
Richard Aske and Margaret, late his wife, and Elizabeth daughter of Ralph
Bygote, knight, and Anne, late his wife, within six weeks after their
marriage..."
This proves Elizabeth Bigod's parentage. The c.1480 Visitation pedigree of
Greystoke confused the heralds, with the family being so numerous and
well-married. It was hopefully the herald, and not the Greystoke family
informant, who confused the John-Ralph-John-Ralph-John Bigod generations,
which go:
1) Sir John Bigod m. Constance de Mauley
2) Sir Ralph Bigod m. Anne Greystoke
3) Sir John Bigod m. Elizabeth le Srope
4) Sir Ralph Bigod m. 1)Margaret Constable
5) Sir John Bigod m. Joan Strangways
6) Sir Francis Bigod
The 1530 Visitation pedigree of Bigod, whose informant was Sir Francis
above, starts with generation 4.
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