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NameElizabeth Cresset 
[56, Shropshire of 1623, pub by Harleian 1889, Lutteley, p. 344], [217, Descendant No 2B]
[56, Shropshire of 1623, pub by Harleian 1889, Lutteley, p. 344], [217, Descendant No 2B]FatherRobert Cresset
MotherKatherine Charlton
Notes for Elizabeth Cresset
Her name and background is a little unclear:
Martyn Freeth has her name as Cecily.
In the Shropshire visitation, p. 344 (part 2), for Lutley she is Elizabeth dau of Robert Cresset.
In the same Shropshire visitaton for Cresset, p. 157 (part 1), there are two separate Cresset marriages to Adam Lutleys separated by two generations; first there is Elizabeth daughter of Thomas Cresset and Jane Corbet and second there is Cecillia dau. of Robert Cresset, grandson of Thomas and Jane, and Katherine Chartleton.
I’m going for the second Lutley marriage, to Cecilia, dau. of Robert Cresset.
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Nov 2012, TFPL: William Acton, a serious Cresset researcher, has passed abstracts of two wills to me, the first of which pints clearly at the resolution to the above Cressett muddle in the report of the Shropshire Visitation of 1623. These are both from "A Calendar of Probate and Administration Acts 1407-1550 in the Consistory Court of the Bishops of Hereford" edited by M.A. Faraday:
Faraday
"565/8 John
Cressett of Upton Cressett, esquire W[ill]:
“made 1 Jan. 1565; E: my two brothers in law Adam Lutley & Richard Leighton
& my cousin Anne Boterell & my four aunts: Dorothy Mynde & Cicely
Acton & Frances Hopton & Mary Cressett, & my four sisters:
Elizabeth Lutley & Cycely Leighton & Johan Witton & Thomason
Draper, & my three base sisters: Anne & Jane & Elizabeth & my
base brother Edward – the four beneficiaries of the will of my deceased father
Robert Cressett & my wife’s maid Elizabeth & my son and heir Thomas
Cressett, under 21 years, & my uncle Henry Cressett & my servants
Elizabeth Harley widow & Marckes & Thomas Shippeman & Richard
Corser; O: my father in law John Harley esquire”
p. 378
563/4 Henry
Cressett of Holgate, gentleman W:
“made 23 Jan. 1562; E: my mother in law & my cousin John Blayney & my
kinsman Thomas Ludlowe; B: Mary my wife & Margaret my base daughter &
Edward my base son & my six servants: John Whitall & William Wever
& Alice Trowe & Elizabeth & Harrye & Robert Fewtrell & my
nephews Richard Cressett & John Cressett of Upton & my cousins
Katherine Blayney & Morris Blayney & Morris Ludlowe & my three
godchildren Harrie Bawdewyne & Harry Fewtrell of Holgate & Anne
Leighton & the children of my sister Smithe & the children of my sister
Moore & the son of my sister Fraunces Acton & Mary daughter of my sister
Moore & my cousin Fraunces Cressett & William Wyer of Longestawnton
& William son of my servant Thomas Badicotte & Richard Browne &
Margaret Sympkis & Johan Stedman & Margery Jordeyn & Thomas
Fewtrell & Sir Edward Fewtrell parson of Holgate & Harrie Price &
Anne Brugge & John Russell & his wife Johan; Witn: Edw Turner & Sir
Richard Normecotte clerk”
The first of these makes greatest sense if it is conceded that the three sisters Cecilia, Thomazina and Elizabetha placed in the third row down are (a) not of the generation) and (b) duplicated a further three rows down in Cecilia, Eliz and Thomazina, albeit married to interchanged husbands. The cause of this highly probable error in this report of the visitation is almost certainly that it was assembled from various Harleian Manuscripts and was not a transcription front he surviving original in the College of Arms (the College a century ago apparently forbade any abstracting directly from the originals).
Having said that these sisters are misplaced in the Visitation, the above first will and the entry for the Lutleys in the same Visitation report both say that the sister that married Adam Lutley was in fact Elizabeth Cressett and not Cecilia as she is called in the right place in the Visitation pedigree for the Cressets. So she is now back to being Elizabeth Cressett, daughter of Robert Cressett of Upton and of Katherina, day of William Charleton of Apley.
Sometime it would be nice to get hold of copies of the original documents:
(a) The will of John Cressett of Upton
(b) The will of Henry Cressett of Holgate
[c) The actual visitation records of 1623 and any earlier visitation that include Cressett pedigrees.
Hopefully these would provide firm evidence to support the above conclusions.
Many thanks to William Action for passing the wills on to me.
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Martyn Freeth has her name as Cecily.
In the Shropshire visitation, p. 344 (part 2), for Lutley she is Elizabeth dau of Robert Cresset.
In the same Shropshire visitaton for Cresset, p. 157 (part 1), there are two separate Cresset marriages to Adam Lutleys separated by two generations; first there is Elizabeth daughter of Thomas Cresset and Jane Corbet and second there is Cecillia dau. of Robert Cresset, grandson of Thomas and Jane, and Katherine Chartleton.
I’m going for the second Lutley marriage, to Cecilia, dau. of Robert Cresset.
____________________
Nov 2012, TFPL: William Acton, a serious Cresset researcher, has passed abstracts of two wills to me, the first of which pints clearly at the resolution to the above Cressett muddle in the report of the Shropshire Visitation of 1623. These are both from "A Calendar of Probate and Administration Acts 1407-1550 in the Consistory Court of the Bishops of Hereford" edited by M.A. Faraday:
Faraday
"565/8 John
Cressett of Upton Cressett, esquire W[ill]:
“made 1 Jan. 1565; E: my two brothers in law Adam Lutley & Richard Leighton
& my cousin Anne Boterell & my four aunts: Dorothy Mynde & Cicely
Acton & Frances Hopton & Mary Cressett, & my four sisters:
Elizabeth Lutley & Cycely Leighton & Johan Witton & Thomason
Draper, & my three base sisters: Anne & Jane & Elizabeth & my
base brother Edward – the four beneficiaries of the will of my deceased father
Robert Cressett & my wife’s maid Elizabeth & my son and heir Thomas
Cressett, under 21 years, & my uncle Henry Cressett & my servants
Elizabeth Harley widow & Marckes & Thomas Shippeman & Richard
Corser; O: my father in law John Harley esquire”
p. 378
563/4 Henry
Cressett of Holgate, gentleman W:
“made 23 Jan. 1562; E: my mother in law & my cousin John Blayney & my
kinsman Thomas Ludlowe; B: Mary my wife & Margaret my base daughter &
Edward my base son & my six servants: John Whitall & William Wever
& Alice Trowe & Elizabeth & Harrye & Robert Fewtrell & my
nephews Richard Cressett & John Cressett of Upton & my cousins
Katherine Blayney & Morris Blayney & Morris Ludlowe & my three
godchildren Harrie Bawdewyne & Harry Fewtrell of Holgate & Anne
Leighton & the children of my sister Smithe & the children of my sister
Moore & the son of my sister Fraunces Acton & Mary daughter of my sister
Moore & my cousin Fraunces Cressett & William Wyer of Longestawnton
& William son of my servant Thomas Badicotte & Richard Browne &
Margaret Sympkis & Johan Stedman & Margery Jordeyn & Thomas
Fewtrell & Sir Edward Fewtrell parson of Holgate & Harrie Price &
Anne Brugge & John Russell & his wife Johan; Witn: Edw Turner & Sir
Richard Normecotte clerk”
The first of these makes greatest sense if it is conceded that the three sisters Cecilia, Thomazina and Elizabetha placed in the third row down are (a) not of the generation) and (b) duplicated a further three rows down in Cecilia, Eliz and Thomazina, albeit married to interchanged husbands. The cause of this highly probable error in this report of the visitation is almost certainly that it was assembled from various Harleian Manuscripts and was not a transcription front he surviving original in the College of Arms (the College a century ago apparently forbade any abstracting directly from the originals).
Having said that these sisters are misplaced in the Visitation, the above first will and the entry for the Lutleys in the same Visitation report both say that the sister that married Adam Lutley was in fact Elizabeth Cressett and not Cecilia as she is called in the right place in the Visitation pedigree for the Cressets. So she is now back to being Elizabeth Cressett, daughter of Robert Cressett of Upton and of Katherina, day of William Charleton of Apley.
Sometime it would be nice to get hold of copies of the original documents:
(a) The will of John Cressett of Upton
(b) The will of Henry Cressett of Holgate
[c) The actual visitation records of 1623 and any earlier visitation that include Cressett pedigrees.
Hopefully these would provide firm evidence to support the above conclusions.
Many thanks to William Action for passing the wills on to me.
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