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NameSir John Conyers KG 
[56, York of 1563-4, pub 1881 by Harleian, Strangeways, p. 299, footnote], [77, p. 47], [56, York of 1563-4, pub 1881 by Harleian, Conyers, p. 75], [60, Fauconberge art, Vol V, p. 287, note (d)]
[56, York of 1563-4, pub 1881 by Harleian, Strangeways, p. 299, footnote], [77, p. 47], [56, York of 1563-4, pub 1881 by Harleian, Conyers, p. 75], [60, Fauconberge art, Vol V, p. 287, note (d)]Death14 Mar 1490
General1st s. Of Hornby, Cleveland. KG 227: c.1484.
Notes for Sir John Conyers KG
From Testamenta Vetusta p. 298 his mother was probably, Maud, dau of John Fitz Raufe and his father was Sir Robert Conyers.
The Yorkshire Visitation of 1563-4 has an Alice, dau. of Sir John Conyers of Horneby who married Henry Wharton, ancestor of the lords Wharton. The question is whether Alice's father was this man or his son, also Sir John Conyers. CP in Vol XII/2 p. 594, note (g), confirms this but does not show which John Conyers was the father of Alice. My guess is that it is John Conyers the younger as his father was KG and this is usually noted.
C T Clay in his “Early Yorkshire Families” says that the Conyers descended from a Roger de Conyers living c. 1101.
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TFPL, March 2013: Most of the problem solved! The new Oxford DNB has an article entitled ‘Conyers Family’ which give this John’s ancestors for a generation or three and expresses an opinion that this Hornby branch was descended from a younger son of the Sockburn line.
This Sir John KG was the son and heir of Christopher Conyers of Hornby, (d.1461-5); Christopher had married Ellen, co-heir of Thomas Rolleston and Beatrice Haulay. Christopher’s father was John Conyers of Hornby (d. 1412) who m. Margaret, heir of Anthony St Quintin of Hornby. John of Hornby was the son of Robert Conyers who may have been a younger brother of John Conyers of Sockburn (d. 1395). John of Hornby was a lawyer in the service of John of Gaunt.
If the Conyers descended from a St Quintin,this was not the main line of the Domesday family that died out in the 14th century, with heiresses, and had held land in Gloucestershire and Holderness; see C T Clay’s ‘Early Yorkshire Families’ pp. 79-80.
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The Yorkshire Visitation of 1563-4 has an Alice, dau. of Sir John Conyers of Horneby who married Henry Wharton, ancestor of the lords Wharton. The question is whether Alice's father was this man or his son, also Sir John Conyers. CP in Vol XII/2 p. 594, note (g), confirms this but does not show which John Conyers was the father of Alice. My guess is that it is John Conyers the younger as his father was KG and this is usually noted.
C T Clay in his “Early Yorkshire Families” says that the Conyers descended from a Roger de Conyers living c. 1101.
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TFPL, March 2013: Most of the problem solved! The new Oxford DNB has an article entitled ‘Conyers Family’ which give this John’s ancestors for a generation or three and expresses an opinion that this Hornby branch was descended from a younger son of the Sockburn line.
This Sir John KG was the son and heir of Christopher Conyers of Hornby, (d.1461-5); Christopher had married Ellen, co-heir of Thomas Rolleston and Beatrice Haulay. Christopher’s father was John Conyers of Hornby (d. 1412) who m. Margaret, heir of Anthony St Quintin of Hornby. John of Hornby was the son of Robert Conyers who may have been a younger brother of John Conyers of Sockburn (d. 1395). John of Hornby was a lawyer in the service of John of Gaunt.
If the Conyers descended from a St Quintin,this was not the main line of the Domesday family that died out in the 14th century, with heiresses, and had held land in Gloucestershire and Holderness; see C T Clay’s ‘Early Yorkshire Families’ pp. 79-80.
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DNB Main notes for Sir John Conyers KG
Robin of Redesdale fl. 1469
Name: Robin of Redesdale
Dates: fl. 1469
Active Date: 1469
Gender: Male
Field of Interest: Anti-establishment
Occupation: Rebel captain
Sources: Ramsay's Lancaster and York, ii. 338-51; Oman's Warwick, pp...
Contributor: W. A. J. A. [William Arthur Jobson Archbold]
Article
Robin of Redesdale fl. 1469, rebel captain, is difficult to identify. After Edward IV's marriage with Elizabeth Woodville, the consequent political disaffection centred in the north of England. There were two risings in 1469. One was headed by Robert Hildyard; the other, instigated by Warwick and Clarence, was led by ‘Robin of Redesdale.’ It was probably thought convenient to have a popular fictitious name as a watchword [see Hood, Robin], and Robin of Redesdale seems to have been the pseudonym adopted by a member of the numerous Conyers family. He was either Sir William Conyers (d. 1495) of Marske or his brother, Sir John Conyers, K.G., who, as head of his family, lived at Hornby, Yorkshire. Warkworth identifies Robin with Sir William (Chron. pp. 6, 44-5), and is followed by Mr. Gairdner. But Sir John and his son (also Sir John) took a prominent part in the rebellion. The two Sir Johns seem to have marched south with the rebels, and at Edgecote in Northamptonshire, on 26 July 1469, helped to defeat the Earl of Pembroke and his brother, Richard Herbert, but the younger Sir John was slain there. A year later, when Edward went into the north after his victory over rebels in Lincolnshire, at the battle of Lose Coat Field, the elder Sir John Conyers and Hildyard came in to him. The former lived until 1490, and was much favoured by Henry VII (cf. Campbell, Materials for the Reign of Henry VII, Rolls Ser., i. 63, 277, &c.), to whom he was a knight of the body. He married Margery, daughter of Philip, lord Darcy, and was succeeded in his estates by his grandson William (b. 1468), son of the Sir John who was killed at Edgecote.
Sources
Ramsay's Lancaster and York, ii. 338-51; Oman's Warwick, pp. 183-4; Whitaker's Richmondshire, ii. 41; Gairdner's Introd. to vol. ii. of the Paston Letters, p. xlix; Chron. of Rebellion in Lincolnshire, ed. Nichols; Three Fifteenth-Cent. Chron. pp. 183-4; Bishop Percy's Folio MS. pp. 246, 257; Visit. Yorkshire (Harl. Soc.), pp. 74-7; Testamenta Vetusta, p. 298; Tonge's Visitation of Yorkshire (Surtees Soc.), passim; Wills and Invent. (Surtees Soc.) i. 78; Surtees's Durham, vol. ii.
Contributor: W. A. J. A.
published 1896
Name: Robin of Redesdale
Dates: fl. 1469
Active Date: 1469
Gender: Male
Field of Interest: Anti-establishment
Occupation: Rebel captain
Sources: Ramsay's Lancaster and York, ii. 338-51; Oman's Warwick, pp...
Contributor: W. A. J. A. [William Arthur Jobson Archbold]
Article
Robin of Redesdale fl. 1469, rebel captain, is difficult to identify. After Edward IV's marriage with Elizabeth Woodville, the consequent political disaffection centred in the north of England. There were two risings in 1469. One was headed by Robert Hildyard; the other, instigated by Warwick and Clarence, was led by ‘Robin of Redesdale.’ It was probably thought convenient to have a popular fictitious name as a watchword [see Hood, Robin], and Robin of Redesdale seems to have been the pseudonym adopted by a member of the numerous Conyers family. He was either Sir William Conyers (d. 1495) of Marske or his brother, Sir John Conyers, K.G., who, as head of his family, lived at Hornby, Yorkshire. Warkworth identifies Robin with Sir William (Chron. pp. 6, 44-5), and is followed by Mr. Gairdner. But Sir John and his son (also Sir John) took a prominent part in the rebellion. The two Sir Johns seem to have marched south with the rebels, and at Edgecote in Northamptonshire, on 26 July 1469, helped to defeat the Earl of Pembroke and his brother, Richard Herbert, but the younger Sir John was slain there. A year later, when Edward went into the north after his victory over rebels in Lincolnshire, at the battle of Lose Coat Field, the elder Sir John Conyers and Hildyard came in to him. The former lived until 1490, and was much favoured by Henry VII (cf. Campbell, Materials for the Reign of Henry VII, Rolls Ser., i. 63, 277, &c.), to whom he was a knight of the body. He married Margery, daughter of Philip, lord Darcy, and was succeeded in his estates by his grandson William (b. 1468), son of the Sir John who was killed at Edgecote.
Sources
Ramsay's Lancaster and York, ii. 338-51; Oman's Warwick, pp. 183-4; Whitaker's Richmondshire, ii. 41; Gairdner's Introd. to vol. ii. of the Paston Letters, p. xlix; Chron. of Rebellion in Lincolnshire, ed. Nichols; Three Fifteenth-Cent. Chron. pp. 183-4; Bishop Percy's Folio MS. pp. 246, 257; Visit. Yorkshire (Harl. Soc.), pp. 74-7; Testamenta Vetusta, p. 298; Tonge's Visitation of Yorkshire (Surtees Soc.), passim; Wills and Invent. (Surtees Soc.) i. 78; Surtees's Durham, vol. ii.
Contributor: W. A. J. A.
published 1896