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NameSir Henry Coggeshall [100, mjcar@****ternet.com, “Kemesk of Fordham”, 26&28Aug 2005], [337, Coggeshall chapter, p. 198], [100, mj...@btinternet.com, 9 May 2006, “Deaths of ... Coggeshall 1375”], [56, Essex of 1558, pub Harleian 1878, Coggeshall p. 38]
Birthca 1331
Death29 Sep 1375
BurialCoggeshall, Essex
General2nd s. but 1st surv. MP. Of Codham Hall and Coggeshall, Essex.
FatherSir John Coggeshall (ca1301-1361)
MotherMargaret de Staunton (-1342)
Spouses
1Joan Welle [100, mj...@****ternet.com, “Kemesk of Fordham”, 26&28Aug 2005], [337, Coggeshall chapter, p. 198], [100, mj...@btinternet.com, 9 May 2006, “Deaths of ... Coggeshall 1375”]
FatherSir William Welle (ca1310-1349)
MotherAgnes
Marriagebef 23 Jun 1351 [100, mjcar@****ternet.com, “Wwells of ... Exning...”, 20 Nov 2005]
ChildrenWilliam de (1357-1424)
Notes for Sir Henry Coggeshall
The 1558 Essex visitation has the father of William C., whose dau. Elianor m. John Tyrrell, to be Richard C.

However this is not shared by the Coggeshall site at http://www.users.nyc.pipeline.com/~kiowa/gene.htm, which has the father of William to be a Sir Henry who m. Joan heir of Wm de Welles of Exning, Suffolk.  The father of ths Henry was a Sir John who had m. Margaret, heir of Humphrey de Stanton, though this couple does appear in the 1558 visitation about four generations before Richard..

I wonder who wins?  Essex visitation or this?

G F Beaumont in his Coggeshall history says John is the father.  Visitation 0, Scholars 3?
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The following from soc,genealogy.medieval provides a final solution from careful research:

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From: mj...@btinternet.com
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Subject: Kemesek of Fordham, Cambs
Date: 26 Aug 2005 13:21:52 -0700

Amongst the ancestors of the Coggeshall family of Essex is Sir Henry de
Coggeshall, MP (whose son, Sir William de Coggeshall 1358-1426, married
Antiocha/Mary Hawkwood).

According to Roskell's The House of Commons 1386-1421, Vol II, p616,
Sir Henry (d 1376) married "Joan, da. and h. of Sir William Welle of
Great Samford, Essex, and Well Hall in Exning, Suffolk"; among his
property were "lands in Fordham, Cambridgeshire".

The Victoria County History of Cambridgeshire, Vol 10, sub Fordham,
says that Henry and Joan "perished together in 1375 (sic)" [I wonder
what the story of that is?  The statement is not foot-noted] It further
states that the manor at Fordham, afterwards called Coggeshalls, had
passed into the Coggeshall family as Joan's inheritance from her
father, Sir William Well (sic) who died in 1349.  He had it from his
parents, Philip de Well (d 1332) and Isabella nee Kemesek (d 1325).

The article goes on to trace the generational descent of the Kemeseks
in Fordham thus:

1. Henry de Kemesek, grantee of 1174, died circa 1190
2. Arnulf de Kemesek, son, died circa 1191
3. Henry de Kemesek, son, of age 1207, died circa 1235
4a. Tibbald de Kemesek, son, died without issue
4b. Henry de Kemesek, brother, died without issue
4c. Edmund de Kemesek, brother, inherited by 1242, died 1253
5a. Henry de Kemesek, son, died without issue
5b. Edmund de Kemesek, brother, of age 1268, died circa 1288; married
Parnel "who had Fordham until after 1302 as part of her dower"
6. Edmund de Kemesek, son, died circa 1300
7a. Parnel de Kemesek, daughter & coheir, married Thomas de Gardinis,
but died without issue 1313
7b. Isabel de Kemesek married Philip de Well - supra

It appears that Parnel, wife of (5b) Edmund, survived her husband by
many years.  PROCAT shows an item dated 1 Edward II (1326-7):

"Petronilla de Kemesek to settle half the manor of Polstead on herself
for life, remainder to Thomas her son for life, remainder to James de
Lamburne, Joan his wife, and his heirs: Suffolk " [C 143/67/22]

This ties in with a record on A2A from the Iveagh Manuscripts in the
Suffolk Record Office:

"23 May 1308: Petronilla de Kemesek, sometime daughter and one of [the]
heirs of Sir Hugh de Polstede"

It would therefore seem that Edmund de Kemesek II's wife was
Parnel/Petronilla de Polstead, and that she inherited half the manor of
Polstead, Suffolk.

William Coggeshall and Antiocha/Mary Hawkwood have many descendants
today, including I think John Steele Gordon and, according to Paget who
lists their daughter and her Tyrell husband [Q113603/4 and Q115106/7
are the references Leo posted a few years ago], HRH The Prince of
Wales.

MAR
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From: mj...@btinternet.com
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Subject: Re: Mabel de Staunton, wife of Sir John de Coggeshall - Kts of Edward I Coggeshall entry
Date: 15 Sep 2005 14:20:08 -0700

The above material on the earlier portion of the Coggeshall line
appears to be very accurate.

I spent some time going through IPMs etc this evening, and can confirm
that the line is:

1. Lawrence de Coggeshall; had issue:

2. Sir Ralph de Coggeshall, died c1305; married Elizabeth.  Issue:

3. John de Coggeshall, died c1319; married Sarah, daughter of Sir
Lawrence de Plumbergh [NOT Sir Jordan le Brun - unless she were a
second wife], dead by 1305.  Issue:

4. John de Coggeshall, c1301-1361; married MARGARET [not Mabel; the two
were coheirs of Anfrid de Staunton - Mabel married Roger de Stonham],
daughter of John de Staunton.  Issue:

5. Sir Henry de Coggeshall
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TFPL, Aug 3006: From Coll. Top. et Gen. vol II, p. 138, a Sir Henry Coggeshall had a daughter Elizabeth who m. a William Rokewood, 2 s of John Rokewood and Elionora, heir of William de Burgate,, and heir to his elder brother John.
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