Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
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NameMargaret Ilam 
[9, E-mail from Hal Bradley of 30 Nov 2012 quoting her IPM], [56, London of 1568, pub Harleian 1869, p. 77]
[9, E-mail from Hal Bradley of 30 Nov 2012 quoting her IPM], [56, London of 1568, pub Harleian 1869, p. 77]GeneralHeir. m. (2) John Raynsford.
Spouses
1Sir John Shaa [55, p. 48], [56, London of 1568, pub Harleian 1869, p. 77], [56, Essex of 1558, pub Harleian 1878, Poyntz p. 91]
[55, p. 48], [56, London of 1568, pub Harleian 1869, p. 77], [56, Essex of 1558, pub Harleian 1878, Poyntz p. 91]FatherJohn Shaa (-1471)
MotherAlice (-1475)
ChildrenEdmund
Notes for Margaret Ilam
Hal Bradley enabled me to unscramble a muddle with this extract from the Close Rolls of Henry VII, 2: 134-5, and adding that she was the day. of Thomas Ilam who d, 1488:
"381. Indenture between John Tate and Bartholomew Reede knights, John
Kyngesmelle and Thomas Marowe serjeants at law, Thomas Poyntz esquire,
William Shragger clerk and John Mundy goldsmith of London, friends to
Margaret lady Shaa, sometime wife of Sir John Shaa knight, and John
Raynsford knight for the king's body: Raynsford to marry lady Shaa before St. John Baptist next, if she is agreeable; and 'for that that it is right well knowen that the seid lady Shaa hath great poscessions of londes which were hir late husbondes duryng hir liff and also grete substaunce of goodes,' he will make estate to her for life before Pentecost next of Netherhall, Bradfeldhall, Overhall Fayties in Bradfeld, Michelles, Grovehous and Ramsay co. Essex, with all his lands, franchises markets, fairs, leets, courts etc. in Tendryng hundred, without impeachment of waste except in felling trees of timber; if she makes any wood-sales, she shall enclose the wood after felling 'for the savegard of the spryng there.'
Sealed 3 March, 19 Henry VII. English
Memorandum of acknowledgment, 17 May."
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The original muddle was that I had her as a daughter of a Shaa with this comment:
Interestingly the Essex visitation of 1558 states that Margaret was "Margaret Lady Shaw 2 wiffe [of Sir Hohn Reynesford] widow to Sr Edw. Shaw of Lon." The DNB article for Edw. Shaa does not mention any second wife Margaret and indeed shows that Juliana outlived her husband. So I'll leave Margaret as the dau. of Edmund Shaa.
(Note that I've seen the names Edward and Edmund confused elsewhere.)
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"381. Indenture between John Tate and Bartholomew Reede knights, John
Kyngesmelle and Thomas Marowe serjeants at law, Thomas Poyntz esquire,
William Shragger clerk and John Mundy goldsmith of London, friends to
Margaret lady Shaa, sometime wife of Sir John Shaa knight, and John
Raynsford knight for the king's body: Raynsford to marry lady Shaa before St. John Baptist next, if she is agreeable; and 'for that that it is right well knowen that the seid lady Shaa hath great poscessions of londes which were hir late husbondes duryng hir liff and also grete substaunce of goodes,' he will make estate to her for life before Pentecost next of Netherhall, Bradfeldhall, Overhall Fayties in Bradfeld, Michelles, Grovehous and Ramsay co. Essex, with all his lands, franchises markets, fairs, leets, courts etc. in Tendryng hundred, without impeachment of waste except in felling trees of timber; if she makes any wood-sales, she shall enclose the wood after felling 'for the savegard of the spryng there.'
Sealed 3 March, 19 Henry VII. English
Memorandum of acknowledgment, 17 May."
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The original muddle was that I had her as a daughter of a Shaa with this comment:
Interestingly the Essex visitation of 1558 states that Margaret was "Margaret Lady Shaw 2 wiffe [of Sir Hohn Reynesford] widow to Sr Edw. Shaw of Lon." The DNB article for Edw. Shaa does not mention any second wife Margaret and indeed shows that Juliana outlived her husband. So I'll leave Margaret as the dau. of Edmund Shaa.
(Note that I've seen the names Edward and Edmund confused elsewhere.)
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