Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
NameSir John Savage 
[74, No 156, p. 24], [135, Viscount Savage, p. 473], [76, Owsley article, p. 261], [23, Leigh of Adlington, Vol III, p. 455], [142, Line 106, p. 139], [56, Worcs of 1569, pub Harleian 1888, Savage, p. 124], [56, Cheshire of 1580, pub Harleian 1882, Leigh, p. 152], [56, Cheshire of 1580, pub Harleian 1882, Savage, p. 203], [56, Cheshire of 1580, pub Harleian 1882, Stanley, p. 216], [76, Savage, p. 323], [64, Legh pedigree, Vol III, p. 662], [64, Stanley of Alderley pedigree, Vol III, p. 577], [64, Savage of Clifton, Vol I, p. 713]
[74, No 156, p. 24], [135, Viscount Savage, p. 473], [76, Owsley article, p. 261], [23, Leigh of Adlington, Vol III, p. 455], [142, Line 106, p. 139], [56, Worcs of 1569, pub Harleian 1888, Savage, p. 124], [56, Cheshire of 1580, pub Harleian 1882, Leigh, p. 152], [56, Cheshire of 1580, pub Harleian 1882, Savage, p. 203], [56, Cheshire of 1580, pub Harleian 1882, Stanley, p. 216], [76, Savage, p. 323], [64, Legh pedigree, Vol III, p. 662], [64, Stanley of Alderley pedigree, Vol III, p. 577], [64, Savage of Clifton, Vol I, p. 713]Birthca 1422
Death22 Nov 1495
GeneralOf Clifton, Cheshire.
FatherJohn Savage (ca1410-1463)
Spouses
1Katherine Stanley [74, No 157, p. 24], [135, Viscount Savage, p. 473], [76, Owsley article, p. 261], [56, Worcs of 1569, pub Harleian 1888, Savage, p. 124], [56, Cheshire of 1580, pub Harleian 1882, Savage, p. 203], [56, Cheshire of 1580, pub Harleian 1882, Stanley, p. 216], [64, Stanley of Alderley pedigree, Vol III, p. 577], [64, Savage of Clifton, Vol I, p. 713]
[74, No 157, p. 24], [135, Viscount Savage, p. 473], [76, Owsley article, p. 261], [56, Worcs of 1569, pub Harleian 1888, Savage, p. 124], [56, Cheshire of 1580, pub Harleian 1882, Savage, p. 203], [56, Cheshire of 1580, pub Harleian 1882, Stanley, p. 216], [64, Stanley of Alderley pedigree, Vol III, p. 577], [64, Savage of Clifton, Vol I, p. 713]FatherSir Thomas Stanley Lord Stanley (1405-1459)
MotherJoan Goushill (ca1402->1460)
Notes for Sir John Savage
His ancestry is given for many generations in Bodine and Spalding's "Dorothea Poyntz".
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Did he also have a dau. Ellen who m. sir Piers Legh of Lyme in 1467? cf Ormerod's Cheahire, Vol III, p. 677.
Yes, see the following:
rom: ToddWhitesides@aol.com
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Subject: Re: Bold-Savage
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 02:34:32 +0000 (UTC)
Brice~
The reference for Elizabeth Savage's marriage contract is:
Cheshire and Chester Archives and Local Studies Service
Catalogue ref. DCH/E/291 [13 Jan. 1458/9]
In this record Elizabeth Savage is labeled daughter of John Savage the
younger, esq.
Three successive John Savages that apply to the identification of her father
have death dates of [according to Peter Leycester's Historical Antiquities]:
1. primo die Augusti, 28 Hen. 6 (1450)
2. 29 die Junii, 3 Edw. 4 (1463)
3. 22 Novembris, 11 Hen. 7 (1495)
In 1458 [the year of Elizabeth Savage's marriage agreement], John Savage the
younger would have been the third, who died in 1495. Other of his daughters
married in 1467 [Ellen Savage to Peter Legh] and 1479 [Katharine Savage to
Thomas Legh].
Mention of the Oct. 1464 marriage covenant of Dulcia Savage and Henry Bold
is to be found on p. 405, footnotes 7 & 12, of VCH Lancaster 3. Henry Bold
supported the Lancastrian cause alongside of his grandfather Savage and the
Stanley relations.
If this identification holds up to scrutiny then, as I said earlier, the
Eltonhead descendants would have an improved royal descent from Edward I.
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Did he also have a dau. Ellen who m. sir Piers Legh of Lyme in 1467? cf Ormerod's Cheahire, Vol III, p. 677.
Yes, see the following:
rom: ToddWhitesides@aol.com
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Subject: Re: Bold-Savage
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 02:34:32 +0000 (UTC)
Brice~
The reference for Elizabeth Savage's marriage contract is:
Cheshire and Chester Archives and Local Studies Service
Catalogue ref. DCH/E/291 [13 Jan. 1458/9]
In this record Elizabeth Savage is labeled daughter of John Savage the
younger, esq.
Three successive John Savages that apply to the identification of her father
have death dates of [according to Peter Leycester's Historical Antiquities]:
1. primo die Augusti, 28 Hen. 6 (1450)
2. 29 die Junii, 3 Edw. 4 (1463)
3. 22 Novembris, 11 Hen. 7 (1495)
In 1458 [the year of Elizabeth Savage's marriage agreement], John Savage the
younger would have been the third, who died in 1495. Other of his daughters
married in 1467 [Ellen Savage to Peter Legh] and 1479 [Katharine Savage to
Thomas Legh].
Mention of the Oct. 1464 marriage covenant of Dulcia Savage and Henry Bold
is to be found on p. 405, footnotes 7 & 12, of VCH Lancaster 3. Henry Bold
supported the Lancastrian cause alongside of his grandfather Savage and the
Stanley relations.
If this identification holds up to scrutiny then, as I said earlier, the
Eltonhead descendants would have an improved royal descent from Edward I.
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