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Death7 Dec 1386
FatherThomas Bardolf Lord Bardolf (1282-1328)
MotherAgnes (-1357)
Notes for Cicely de Bardolf
Sept, 2007: John Ravilious has suggested that she is the dau. of John Bardolf, son of Thomas Bardolf of Spixworth, instead of being the dau. of Thomas of Wormegay.  See s.g.m on ‘Cecily (Bardolf) de Morley and her ancestry’ dated 25 Sept 2007, two successive posts.

Oct, 2007: John has found further excellent evidence that confirms that Cicely’s father was Thomas Bardolf:

From: ... @aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:44:33 EDT
Subject: Re: Cecily (Bardolf) de Morley and her ancestry

Tuesday, 2 October, 2007

     In the course of pursuing the facts of Cecily Bardolf's
ancestry, I had planned to obtain what might be available
concerning the textiles at the V&A.  I have meanwhile found
the necessary documentation (short of having a charter in
hand) to substantiate that Cecily Bardolf was the daughter
of Thomas Bardolf, Lord Bardolf (d. 1328).

     The following is taken from observations made by W. S.
Walford, Esq., F.S.A. concerning a group of 14th century
deeds provided to the Society of Antiquaries of London by
J. J. Howard, Esq., F.S.A. in May 1860:

    "  The first deed, which is in French, and dated
    at Wormegay on Monday the Feast of the Conception
    of our Lady, 20 Edw. II. (8 Dec. 1326), in an
    agreement between Monsire Thomas Bardolf, Lord of
    Wormegay, and Monsire Robert de Morlee, Marshal
    of Ireland, for the marriage of William de Morlee,
    son of the latter, with Cecilia, daughter of the
    former.  Robert de Morlee covenanted to enfeoff
    his intended daughter-in-law of lands to the
    value of 100l. (i.e. per annum, it is presumed);
    and Thomas Bardolf undertook to find William
    and Cecilia with board and clothing at his own
    hostel until William should be twenty years of
    age, if Thomas Bardolf should so long live.
    Immediately after his decease William and
    Cecilia were to have the 100l. in land, though
    Robert de Morlee might be still living.  In
    some event not clearly stated (probably owing
    to the accidental omission of a few words),
    and also after the death of her intended
    husband, Cecilia was to have the 100l. in
    land during her life for her maintenance.  In
    case William should be made a knight, or wish
    to enter the profession of arms (ou voille
    aler entre les gentz au fait darmes) before
    he was twenty years of age, Thomas Bardolf
    was not to be bound to furnish him with
    anything out of his own hostel.  For such
    marriage and feoffment Thomas Bardolf agreed
    to pay Robert Morlee 666l. 13s. 4d., in five
    years, by equal portions; and if Cecilia
    happened to die before the whole was paid,
    he was not to pay any more after her death.
    A formal instrument was to be prepared,
    under the advice of the counsel of both
    parties.
       The two seals are unfortunately missing:
    they were appended each by a slip cut
    partially from the bottom of the
    parchment." [1]

     This serves I think to firmly establish Cecily's
parentage, at least with regard to her father (the
Grandison controversy will I think continue),and also
serves to place Margaret (Bardolf) Kerdeston
in the correct (Wormegay) family.

     Should anyone wish to have the entirety of the
French text of the agreement (a portion of which
is given below), I will be happy to provide it.

     Cheers,

                        John *



NOTES

[1] Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries of
     London (Second Series, November 17, 1859
     to June 20, 1861) [London: printed by J. B.
     Nichols for The Society of Antiquaries],
     I:152-3.  Part of the text, en Francais,
     provided by Mr. Walford in the same
     article (p. 160) follows:

  "  The following is a copy, with the
  contractions extended, of the first of the
  three deeds, described in the foreoing
  observations: -

  "  Cestez endentures tesmoignent qe le lundy
en la feste de la concepcion notre Dame lan du
regne le Roy Edward fuiz au Roy Edward vyntisme,
covynt entre Monsire Thomas Bardolfe Seignour
de Wyrmegeye dune part et Monsire Robert de
Morlee Mareschal Dirlaunde dautre part, qe
ledit Monsire Robert mariraz son fuiz William
a Cecilie la fillie ledit Monsire Thomas; et
ledit Monsire Robert feofferaz ou ferraz
feoffer ladite Cecilie de centes livree de
terre en convenables lieux et a resonable
extente:...
Escriptes a Wyrmegeye le jour et lan
avauntditz."
    


* John P. Ravilious
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Will notes for Cicely de Bardolf
In her will, dated Sept 20th 1386, she lists:
her late husband, Sir William Morley,
Her sister, Dame Margaret Kerdeston [makes no sense to me!],
Her dear son, Sir Thomas Morley,
and Alice Hales.
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