DNB: m. (1) Matilda de Vavasour, (2) Clarice d'Auberville.

Assuming DNB is right, this Fulk was the father, by his second wife, of Mabel FitzWarin who married John de Tregoz who d. 1300.
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But the following by John Ravilious takes the family a major genealogical step forward:

From: T....@aol.com
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Subject: The Lords FitzWarin: a Reconstruction
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 15:51:41 +0000 (UTC)

Friday, 2 January, 2004


Hello All,

     In 2003, I set forward a reconstruction of the family of the Lords FitzWarin, based in large part on evidence that Fulk FitzWarin of Lambourn, co. Berks., Whittington, co. Salop. & c. [usually referred to as 'Fulk III'] had died before 22 November 1235 [1].  The text on which this reconstruction was largely founded, provided on that excellent site, Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516, reads as follows:

      ' On 22 Nov 1235, K Hen III granted Hubert Hues that
      the market which was accustomed to be held at the manor,
      which was formerly held by Fulk fitz Warin, deceased,
      was to be revived and to be held as before on Tues.
      Mandate to the sh of Leicestershire to proclaim the
      market and cause it to be held (CR, 1234â_“7,p. 210).' [2]

     Chris Phillips was kind (and energetic) enough to obtain the actual text from the CCR, which reads as follows:

      "Pro Huberto Hussato. - Rex concessit Huberto Hues' quod
      mercatum quod consuevit aliquando teneri apud manerium
      de Northbrug', manerio illo existente in manu Fulconis
      filii Warini, et quod postea decidit, iterum relevetur et
      teneatur singulis septimanis per diem Martis, sicut
      prius tenebatur, nisi mercatum illud sit ad nocumentum
      vicinorum mercatorum. Et mandatum est vicecomiti
      Lic' quod predictum mercatum per totam ballivam
      suam clamari et teneri faciat, sicut predictum est.
      Teste rege apud Clar', xxij. die Novembris."  [3]

     Chris noted in examining the text that the reference to 'Fulk fitz Warin, deceased' given in the Gazetteer text is evidently in error: the Latin text "et quod postea decidit" indicates that the market had become defunct, not Fulk.  In reading this text, I found that I must concur - the manor passed to Fulk's daughter as her marriage portion, so that finding Hubert Huse in possession in 1235 provides no other evidence of Fulk's then living or not [4].

     As a result of this finding, I have reexamined the evidence in hand concerning the individuals named Fulk FitzWarin for the period 1200-1264 to determine if the previous reconstruction was still valid.  Thanks to the efforts of Chris Phillips and Rosie Bevan, several facts (known or presumed) have been reconfirmed, while others have undergone modification.

     1. It was proposed that, with Fulk 'III' believed dead in 1235,
        that Fulk 'IV' was married twice, first to Clarice
        d'Auberville and 2ndly to Constance de Tony.

        It is now certain that Fulk, husband of Clarice
        d'Auberville, and Fulk, husband of Constance de Tony, were
        not the same individual.  Rosie has shown that these two
        were recorded as being married at virtually the same time:
        Fulk and Clarice in October 1250 concerning certain rights
        in Kent, and Fulk and Constance clearly being married at
        that time and likely before (their son Fulk, referenced as
        'Fulk V', being born 14 September 1251) [see the pedigree
        given below].

     2. Those references previously in hand to 'Fulk the
        younger' (thanks to Janet Meisel) were problematic, but
        given the apparent demise of Fulk 'III' had led to the
        theory of another Fulk in the pedigree, possibly the son of
        Fulk 'IV' who otherwise died in his father's lifetime before
        1264 (and likely before 1257, based on evidence provided by
        Meisel).

        Chris endeavoured to locate those texts referencing a
        younger Fulk ["Fulco filius Warini, junior" or similar]
        during this period, so that we could attempt to identify (if
        possible) references to specific individuals.  This was a
        significant source of confusion to many, including Janet
        Meisel, who had erroneously concluded that 'after 13 August
        1257 there are no references  to a "Fulk, Senior" or a
        "Fulk, Junior" ' [5].

        Three references in particular noted by Chris make it
        evident that there was an adult Fulk FitzWarin 'junior'
        living in 1264, clearly not the minor son of Sir Fulk who
        died at Lewes in May of that year [6]:

        A. ' 20 December 1264
           Commitment during pleasure to Peter de Monte Forti of the
            castle of Whytenton, late of Fulk son of Warin, deceased,
            tenant in chief, so that he answer for the issues at the
            Exchequer.
           Mandate to Fulk son of Warin the younger to deliver it to
            him.'

        B. ' 12 January 1265/6:
           Grant to Fulk son of Warin the younger of the wardship of a
            carucate of land in Stamf[ord] late of Fulk son of Warin,
            deceased, tenant in chief, during the minority of the heir.'

        C. ' 16 April 1266
           Whereas the king granted to Fulk son of Warin the younger the
            wardship of a carucate of land in Staunton late of Fulk son
            of Warin deceased, who held in chief, and before that grant
            he had assigned the same land to Constance late the wife of
            the said Fulk the elder as part of her dower; he grants to
            the said Fulk the younger that he will provide for him in a
            ward or escheat of the value of 10 £. '

     Given the foregoing, it is clear that another reconstruction of this
family (and correction to the previous proposal) is in order.  The
following chart reflects this reconstruction, and in particular:

     1. The brief facts concerning Fulk 'III' as given in Complete
        Peerage are taken to be reaffirmed, i.e. that he during a
        rather long and active life he married (1stly) Maud le Vavasour,
        and (2ndly) Clarice d'Auberville.

     2. Fulk 'III' likely married Clarice in 1227 or soon thereafter,
        his first wife Maud le Vavasour having died in 1226 or before
        (1226 being the date of Maud's son Theobald Walter seeking his
        rights against Maud's FitzWarin children through suits of " mort
        d'ancestor ").  Fulk likely died sometime soon after 8 October
        1250 (date of the fine with his then wife Clarice concerning
        property or other rights in Kent).

     3. Mabel, who married (1stly) William de Crevequer and (2ndly)
        John de Tregoz, had the manor (or moiety thereof) of Lambourn,
        co. Berks. from her father Fulk 'III'.  She was the daughter
        of Fulk by his 2nd wife, Clarice d'Auberville.

     4. Fulk 'the younger', a subject of the above discussion and re:
        whom we have apparent references from 1250 to 1257, and again
        1264-1266, was evidently a younger brother of Fulk 'IV' (and
        clearly not his son).  It appears most likely he was a son of
        Fulk 'III' by his 2nd wife Clarice d'Auberville: as he was
        a tenant in chief in 1257, he was likely born before 1236 [8].


                    <1>                                     <2>
1) Theobald  =  Maud le   = 2) Fulk (III) FitzWarin  =  Clarice d'
     Walter   I  Vavasour  I    m. bef 1 Oct 1207     I  Auberville
   d. bef 14  I            I     (to Maud)            I    m. say
  Feb 1205/6  I        ____I    d. aft 8 Oct 1250     I   1227-1233
     _________I   ____I____                          _I___________
    I             I       I                         I            I
Theobald      Hawise     Fulk (IV) = Constance     Mabel        Fulk
  Walter    =1)bef 1226  FitzWarin I  de Tosny   = 1)William   'junior'
of Boxted,     William    b.say F) I              de Crevequer   b. say
Suffolk & c.  Pantulf    1208     I             = 2) John de   1228-1233
             2)Hubert    k. 1264   I                 Tregoz
                Huse               I                  I
                                   I                  V
                                   I              
                                   I                                    
                                 Fulk (V) FitzWarin
                           b. 14 Sept 1251
                         = Margaret de la
                                Pole
                                  I
                                  V


     The FitzWarin pedigree (given in a post immediately following this)
provides additional lines of descent from the FitzWarins for the
Pantulfs and le Boteler of Wem (who held the manor of Narborough, co.
Leics.), Le Strange of Wrockwardine (later Lords Strange of Blackmere)
and of course the Lords La Warre, Grandison and others.

     Should anyone have any comment, criticism or additional documenta-
tion (supportive or otherwise), please advise.

     Meanwhile, good luck, and good hunting to all.

                                      John *

              


NOTES (to post):

[1] John P. Ravilious, <CP Correction: Fulk 'III' FitzWarin and
     His Descendants>, SGM, 3 May 2003.

[2] Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516 :
     www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/
     cites Calendar of Close Rolls ["(CR, 1234â_“7,p. 210)"]

[3] Calendar of Close Rolls 1234-1237, pp. 210 - 20
     Henry III m. 23 (1235): text and translation (of abstract) provided
     by Chris Phillips.

[4] Theobald Walter, half-brother of Hawise, brought suit against Hawise
     and her first husband William Pantulf in 1226 to recover Narborough,
     co. Leics. [failed].  Cf. Janet Meisel, Barons of the Welsh
     Frontier: The Corbet, Pantulf and Fitz Warin Families, 1066-1272,
     pp. 98-99.

[5] Meisel, p. 51.

[6] Calendar of Close Rolls 1258-1266, p. 396 - 49 Henry III, m. 26
    (1264).  Calendar of Close Rolls 1258-1266, p. 534 - 50 Henry III,
     m. 34.  Calendar of Close Rolls 1258-1266, p. 582 - 50 Henry III,
     m. 20.  All of the foregoing provide by Chris Phillips.

[7] CP V:495, note (c), sub FitzWarin, which says of Fulk 'IV' :
   â_˜ He was s. and h. of Fulk fitz Warin of Whittington (living Oct.
     1250), who m., 1stly, Maud, widow of Theobald Walter, and da. of
     Robert le Vavasur (Patent Roll, 9 Joh., m. 5; Fine Roll, mm. II,
     8) and, 2ndly, Clarice Dauberville (Fine Roll, 34 Hen. III, m. 2;
     Chron. of Fulk FitzWarin, p. 410). â_˜

[8] " 1257 Aug 13. Confirmation of a lease made by Fulk s of Warin,
     the younger, to Master Simon de Wauton ... of his manor of
     Taddelawe at farm for 16 years ... notwithstanding that Fulk
     holds of the king in chief elsewhere. " Calendar of Patent Rolls
     1247-1258, p. 575, provided by Chris Phillips.



  * John P. Ravilious
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