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NameRoger de Mortimer Seigneur of Mortemur... 
[60, Mortimer of Wigmore art, Vol IX, pp. 266-7], [54, His own co-article.], [60, Mortimer & Warenne art, Vol IX, Appx A, p. 3]
[60, Mortimer of Wigmore art, Vol IX, pp. 266-7], [54, His own co-article.], [60, Mortimer & Warenne art, Vol IX, Appx A, p. 3]Deathbef 1086
GeneralA Norman, but fought duke William for a while.
Notes for Roger de Mortimer Seigneur of Mortemur...
CP flatly disagrees with DNB and states Roger was NOT the brother of Wm of Warenne. CP also states that Roger was NOT son of Hugh, bishop of Coutances. DNB2, aka ODNB, does not perpetuate the original assertions though refers to them as plausible.
However Paul Remfry at his talk on 31 Oct 2009 at the AGM of the FMG firmly asserted that this Roger’s father was in fact the son of Hugh, bishop of Coutances and further that Roger was known as Roger filii Episcopi.
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However Paul Remfry at his talk on 31 Oct 2009 at the AGM of the FMG firmly asserted that this Roger’s father was in fact the son of Hugh, bishop of Coutances and further that Roger was known as Roger filii Episcopi.
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DNB Main notes for Roger de Mortimer Seigneur of Mortemur...
Co-subject: Mortimer, Roger de
Dates: fl. 1054-1074
Active Date: 1064
Gender: Male
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This Roger was also called Roger, ‘filius episcopi.’ His father was Hugh, afterwards bishop of Coutances; his mother was the daughter of some unknown Danish chieftain, and the sister of Gunnor, the wife of Duke Richard I of Normandy, and of Herfast the Dane, the grandfather of William FitzOsbern, earl of Hereford (Stapleton, Rotuli Normanniæ, ii. cxix.; Eyton, Shropshire, iv. 195; cf. Le Prévost's note to Ordericus Vitalis, iii. 236; Planché's art. on the genealogy of the family in Journal of British Archæological Association, xxiv. 1-35). Roger's brother Ralph, also called ‘filius episcopi,’ was founder of the house of Warren. The house of Mortimer was thus connected both with the ducal Norman house and with the great family which attained later the earldom of Hereford, while its kinship with the lords of the house of Warren, earls of Surrey after the Norman conquest, was even more direct. Roger, the bishop's son, is assumed to have been born before 990, the date at which his father became bishop of Coutances, but if so he must have lived to a green old age. All the Mortimers of the period, when their history is uncertain, became, according to the traditional account, extraordinarily old men. In latter times, when the facts are well known, they lived extremely short lives. This Roger seems to have been the first to assume the name of Mortimer, which was taken from the village and castle of Mortemer-en-Brai (mortuum mare), in the Pays de Caux, situated at the source of the little river Eaulne. In 1054 he won the victory of Mortemer, fought under the walls of his castle, against the troops of Henry I, king of the French (Ordericus Vitalis, Hist. Eccl. i. 184, iii. 160, 236-7, ed. Le Prévost). But Roger gave offence to Duke William by releasing one of his captives, and was accordingly deprived of his castle of Mortemer, which was transferred to his nephew, William de Warren, son of his brother Ralph, and afterwards first Earl of Surrey (ib. iii. 237; Stapleton, ubi supra). In the result Mortemer remained with the earls of Warren until the loss of Normandy in 1204, and was never restored to the house that obtained its name from it. The Mortimers transferred their chief seat to Saint-Victor-en-Caux, where the priory, a cell of Saint-Ouen at Rouen, was in 1074 erected into an abbey by Roger and his wife Hawise. This is Roger's last recorded act. He must have been too old to have been present at Hastings, but some of his sons, perhaps Hugh (Wace, Roman de Rou, ii. 373, 740, ed. Andresen), or possibly Ralph himself (Monasticon, vi. 348), appeared on his behalf.
Dates: fl. 1054-1074
Active Date: 1064
Gender: Male
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This Roger was also called Roger, ‘filius episcopi.’ His father was Hugh, afterwards bishop of Coutances; his mother was the daughter of some unknown Danish chieftain, and the sister of Gunnor, the wife of Duke Richard I of Normandy, and of Herfast the Dane, the grandfather of William FitzOsbern, earl of Hereford (Stapleton, Rotuli Normanniæ, ii. cxix.; Eyton, Shropshire, iv. 195; cf. Le Prévost's note to Ordericus Vitalis, iii. 236; Planché's art. on the genealogy of the family in Journal of British Archæological Association, xxiv. 1-35). Roger's brother Ralph, also called ‘filius episcopi,’ was founder of the house of Warren. The house of Mortimer was thus connected both with the ducal Norman house and with the great family which attained later the earldom of Hereford, while its kinship with the lords of the house of Warren, earls of Surrey after the Norman conquest, was even more direct. Roger, the bishop's son, is assumed to have been born before 990, the date at which his father became bishop of Coutances, but if so he must have lived to a green old age. All the Mortimers of the period, when their history is uncertain, became, according to the traditional account, extraordinarily old men. In latter times, when the facts are well known, they lived extremely short lives. This Roger seems to have been the first to assume the name of Mortimer, which was taken from the village and castle of Mortemer-en-Brai (mortuum mare), in the Pays de Caux, situated at the source of the little river Eaulne. In 1054 he won the victory of Mortemer, fought under the walls of his castle, against the troops of Henry I, king of the French (Ordericus Vitalis, Hist. Eccl. i. 184, iii. 160, 236-7, ed. Le Prévost). But Roger gave offence to Duke William by releasing one of his captives, and was accordingly deprived of his castle of Mortemer, which was transferred to his nephew, William de Warren, son of his brother Ralph, and afterwards first Earl of Surrey (ib. iii. 237; Stapleton, ubi supra). In the result Mortemer remained with the earls of Warren until the loss of Normandy in 1204, and was never restored to the house that obtained its name from it. The Mortimers transferred their chief seat to Saint-Victor-en-Caux, where the priory, a cell of Saint-Ouen at Rouen, was in 1074 erected into an abbey by Roger and his wife Hawise. This is Roger's last recorded act. He must have been too old to have been present at Hastings, but some of his sons, perhaps Hugh (Wace, Roman de Rou, ii. 373, 740, ed. Andresen), or possibly Ralph himself (Monasticon, vi. 348), appeared on his behalf.