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NameRoger (II) de Mowbray Lord of Mowbray 
[54, His father, William de Mowbray's article], [60, Mowbray art, Vol IX, pp. 375-6], [60, Bedford article, Vol II, p. 88], [74, No 23104, p.210], [121, Bedford barony, p. 11], [121, Thirsk, Yorks barony (2nd class), p. 146]
[54, His father, William de Mowbray's article], [60, Mowbray art, Vol IX, pp. 375-6], [60, Bedford article, Vol II, p. 88], [74, No 23104, p.210], [121, Bedford barony, p. 11], [121, Thirsk, Yorks barony (2nd class), p. 146]Birthca 1219
Deathca Nov 1266
BurialProb Friars Preachers church, Pontefract
GeneralFought for King in Scotland and Wales.
FatherWilliam de Mowbray Lord of Mowbray (-<1224)
MotherAvice
Spouses
Notes for Roger (II) de Mowbray Lord of Mowbray
Feudal baron (2nd class) of Thirsk, Yorks.
Doug Richardson writes in soc.gen.med on 27th March 2002 under the heading "New evidence for Newmarch-Mowbray marriage" that:
Roger de Mowbray married first, c. 1238, an unknown daughter of Thomas Furnival by Bertha, dau of Wm. de Ferrers, earl of Derby. Roder de Mowbray's second marriage, to Maud Beauchamp, was not until circa 1257 or before. While it is certain, from his youth, that Roger (III) was the son of Maud Beauchamp, it is not certain who was the mother of the two daughters, Joan and Isabel. But from various bits of evidence, it seems more likely that the daughters were of the first wife, this unknown daughter of Thos. de Furnival.
He cited some convincing evidence for the main points but it remains unpublished apart from this posting. Assuming nothing more comes out in the intervening period, I expect to update my records when Douglas Richardson's new edition of Plantagenet Ancestry comes out, assuming all this is in there.
Doug Richardson writes in soc.gen.med on 27th March 2002 under the heading "New evidence for Newmarch-Mowbray marriage" that:
Roger de Mowbray married first, c. 1238, an unknown daughter of Thomas Furnival by Bertha, dau of Wm. de Ferrers, earl of Derby. Roder de Mowbray's second marriage, to Maud Beauchamp, was not until circa 1257 or before. While it is certain, from his youth, that Roger (III) was the son of Maud Beauchamp, it is not certain who was the mother of the two daughters, Joan and Isabel. But from various bits of evidence, it seems more likely that the daughters were of the first wife, this unknown daughter of Thos. de Furnival.
He cited some convincing evidence for the main points but it remains unpublished apart from this posting. Assuming nothing more comes out in the intervening period, I expect to update my records when Douglas Richardson's new edition of Plantagenet Ancestry comes out, assuming all this is in there.