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Birthaft 1358
Death6 Mar 1425
BurialHaccombe, Devon
GeneralYounger son. Of Haccombe, etc, Devon. Sheriff of Devon.
FatherEdward de Courtenay (ca1332-<1371)
MotherEmmeline Dawnay (-<1372)
Notes for Sir Hugh de Courtenay
m. (1) Elizabeth, (2) Elizabeth Cogan, (3) Philippa Arcedekne, (4) Maud Beaumont, all from Louise Staley:

From: Louise Staley <caramut@bigpond.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Subject: Re: Complete Peerage Correction: Blanche de Audley, wife of Sir Fulk
Fitz Warin
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:36:57 GMT

Alan R Grey & Will Johnson both addressed the identity of Hugh
Courtenay's first wife and Alan cited the original evidence:

> Quite right.  It is in CPR Ric. II, Vol. 5, p.225
>
> 16 Ric II, m.3, 11 Feb (1393), "Pardon to Elizabeth, late the wife of
> Fulk Fitz Waryn, knight, tenant in chief, and Hugh Courtenay, the king's
> kinsman, for intermarrying without licence."
>
> Alan R Grey

Thank-you for that. To recap the many wives of Hugh Courtenay:

Sir Hugh Courtenay of Haccombe etc., born after 1358, died 5 March 1425,
buried at Haccombe, Devon. Son of Sir Edward Courtenay of Godlington and
Emmeline Dauney.

Hugh married four times.
1. Elizabeth Fitzpayn [1], daughter of Sir Robert Fitzpayn, 4th Baron
Fitzpayn and Elizabeth Bryan, widow of Thomas Audley [2], married about
14 March 1387 [4], she died 1 June 1392 [1]. No children by either husband.

2. Elizabeth Cogan [3], daughter and heiress of Sir William Cogan and
Isabel Loring, widow of Sir Fulk (IX) Fitzwarine [3], 5th Baron
Fitzwarine, married between 1 June 1392 [1] and 11 Feb 1393 [3], she
died 29 October 1397 [3]. No children by Hugh Courtenay.

3. Philippa Arcedekne [2], daughter and co-heiress of Sir Warin
Arcedekne, 3rd Baron Arcedekne and Elizabeth Talbot, married before 1407
[2], she died before October 1417. Two daughters [2], Joan born 14
August 1411, wife of Nicholas Carew of Molesford then Sir Robert Vere
[2], Eleanor, wife of Richard Burgh of Upper Connaught, Ireland.

4. Maud Beaumont [2], daughter of Sir William Beaumont of Heanton
Punchardon and Isabel Willington, married 16 October 1417 [2], she died
3 July 1467 [5]. Two sons and a daughter; Edward, Hugh and Margaret.
Edward, born about 1417, died before 1468 s.p., Sir Hugh of Boconnoc,
died 5 May 1471 at Tewkesbury, left issue by his wife Margaret Carminow,
Margaret, married Sir John Arundell of Trerice [see note below]. She
died sps.

*Note*
There remains considerable confusion and misinformation about the
identity (and existence) of the daughter Margaret. Richardson in
/Plantagenet Ancestry/ repeats the /Visitation of Cornwall/ suggestion
that she married Theobald Grenville. This is impossible on chronological
grounds, (for discussion see the SGM thread "Parents of Margaret
Courtenay" from April 2001). Another common candidate for the husband of
this Margaret Courtenay is Sir John Arundell of *Tolverne* who died in
1461. However the Courteany who married Sir John Arundell of Tolverne
was named Maud and was the daughter of Sir Hugh Courtenay of Boconnoc
and his wife Margaret Carminow [6] making Maud the granddaughter of Sir
Hugh of Haccombe. There is I believe another candidate for the daughter
of Hugh of Haccombe and Maud Beaumont and that is as the wife of Sir
John Arundell of Trerice who married Anne Moyle. I think Margaret
Courtenay was his first wife and she died either sp or sps. This is
shown on Stirnet apparently following Burke so not a lot to go on hence
the possibility there was no daughter Margaret at all.

Sources
[1] Douglas Richardson, post to the newsgroup SGM "Complete Peerage
Addition: Elizabeth Fitzpayn, wife of Thomas de Audley and Hugh
Courtenay," December 14 2006.
[2] David Faris, "Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century
Colonists," Boston: NEHGS, 1999.
[3] Vicary Gibbs (ed.) "The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland,
Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct, or
Dormant," 13 in 14 vols. Vol.3:359-60. London: St. Catherine Press, 1912.
[4] CPR Ric. II, Vol. 5, p.225.
[5] Douglas Richardson, "Plantagenet Ancestry," Baltimore: Genealogical
Publishing Society, 2004, p240:11.
[6] Charles Worthy, "The History of the Suburbs of Exeter," London: 1892.
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