Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
NameStephen Powys Lord Lilford 
[3, Birth, Q2 of 1869, Oundle dist, vol 3B, p. 185], [4, 1871 Ref: RG10, piece 1510, folio 60, p. 8], [4, 1939 Ref: RG101/6941I/002/28], [36], [4, 1881]
[3, Birth, Q2 of 1869, Oundle dist, vol 3B, p. 185], [4, 1871 Ref: RG10, piece 1510, folio 60, p. 8], [4, 1939 Ref: RG101/6941I/002/28], [36], [4, 1881]Birth8 Mar 1869, Lilford Hall, Northants
Baptism26 Jul 1863, Lilford cum Wigthorpe church, Northants
Death19 Sep 1949, 5 Harrowby Court, London
General3rd s. Of St Anne's Hill, Chertsey. 6th baron. d.unm.
EducationSunningdale, Old Windsor. Harrow. Trinity, Cantab.
FatherThomas Littleton Powys Lord Lilford (1833-1896)
MotherEmma Elizabeth Brandling (1826-1884)
Never married
Notes for Stephen Powys Lord Lilford
His birth was registered with the surname of Lilford:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
LILFORD, STEPHEN BRANDLING
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in OUNDLE Volume 03B Page 185
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The two pages, 30 and 31, of the Lilford cum Wigthorpe baptisms are missing from the images on Ancestry so this is the certain reason why his baptism cannot be found, assuming, of course, that he was like his next brother, baptised there. The last baptism on page 29 is on 12th August 1866, the first on page 32 is on 7th June 1874, so 8 years of records have vanished.
The parish registers have been deposited in Northamptonshire Record office at Northampton so I may e-mail them to enquire about these pages.
I wonder if the Bishops’ Transcripts have survived? Add to my enquiry?
I have put in this query:
“I wish to obtain a copy of the baptism image for Stephen Powys (or Lilford) born on 8th March 1869 at Lilford, Northants. Unfortunately the copies of pages 30 and 31 of the Lilford cum Wigthorpe baptism register are missing from Ancestry's site, thus losing 8 years from 1866 to 1874. If you do not have these pages in your copy of the register, do you by any chance have copies of the Bishops' Transcript and can you supply that image instead?”
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Bingo! Page 31 contained his baptism, received on22nd Feb 2022.
His baptism image, thanks to Northants Archives, transcript by me:
“ Page 31.
“BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of Achurch
“ in the County of Northampton in the Year 1868
“. . . .
“When born: 1869 Stephen Powys 3rd son of 4th & Lady Lilford born at Lilford Hall March 8th 1869
“When Baptized: July 26th 1869
“No: 242
“Child’s Forename: Stephen, son of
“Parents’ Forenames: Thomas Lyttleton & Emma Elizabeth
“Parents’ Surname: Powys (Title Lilford)
“Abode: Lilford Hall
“Profession: Baron Lilford Peer of the Realm
“Celebrant: Lewis F Potter, Rector
In fact this was a separate register for the church of Lilford cum Wigthorpe which was within the parish of Achurch.
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In 1871 he was with his parents and siblings at Lilford, aged 2 and born at Lilford.
In 1881 he was at school in Sunningdale, Berks, born at Achurch, Northants and aged 11
Not found in 1891, 1901 or 1911 censuses.
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In 1939 he was in Weymouth:
46 Greenhill , Weymouth and Melcombe Regis M.B., Dorset
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Stephen Lilford (The Rt Hon Lord,Powys) 08 Mar 1869 M Private Means Single 7 1
John R Taylor 14 Oct 1893 M Retired Army Officer Single 7 2
Lucy A Quartermain 27 Sep 1871 F Housekeeper Single 7 3
Ref: RG101/6941I/002/28
Note that the words “Lilford The Rt Hon Lord” were in red ink and thus added after 1939. He did not succeed to the peerage until 1945.
The birth date in this Register confirms that from other sources including his baptism.
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Wikipedia says that he was adopted by his nominal parents and then had his name changed to Stephen Powys. In those days there were no official records of adoptions so this cannot be verified but does explain why his birth registration cannot be found.
Further there are statements that he was originally a godson of his father.
So I wonder if this birth record has anything to do with him?
First name(s) STEPHEN
Last name LILFORD
Birth year 1869
Birth quarter 2
District Oundle
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Volume 3B
Page 185
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
On the new GRO indices it says that the mother’s maiden surname was Brandling.
This birth certificate has been ordered.
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TFPL, 14 Oct 2017: The certificate has arrived and the details are:
Registration District: Oundle
Registration Year: 1869
Counties: Northampton and Huntingdon
Cert No: 248
Date: Eighth March 1869
Name: Stephen
Sex: Boy
Father: Thomas Littleton Lord Lilford
Mother: Emma Elizabeth Lilford, formerly Brandling
Father job: Baron Lilford
Sig: Lilford, father, Lilford Hall
Reg date: Seventh March [sic] 1869
Registrar: James Gann, Registrar
Correction in Margin: In no 248 Col 8 for March substitute April corrected on the 10th May 1869 by me James Gann Registrar in the presence of T Dakin, A Barker, Robt Richardson Supt Regr.
Date of certified copy: 12 October 2017
Comment on the correction and other matters:
1. The correction was to a data impossibility, that the birth could have been registered before the child was born. The fact of their being a correction may have led to the fanciful tales of adoption, above.
2. All other entries were factually correct, particularly the surnames of the father and the mother.
3. There was no space to enter on the form the boy’s surname, which was Powys. So subsequent extracts for the index and other date have given him the surname of his parents. His father, the peer, may have been well aware of all this and may also have rejoiced in a bit of sport by being so literal.
It is quite likely that the registrars were unaware of what was going on and that their leg was being pulled.
But in the end the boy did get his accidental surname when he held the peerage for the last four years of his life. He may, even, not have been aware of what had been done. In the 1939 register he clearly gave his surname as Powys. And a clerk had written it in that he was the Rt Hon Lord Lilford, which he became in 1945.
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There is no burial record of his burial that I have found. But there is a m emorial to him on his father;s memorial in the church at Thorpe Achurch, Northants:
“(side) CLEMENTINA (uxor) et STEPHANUS filius posuerunt. Requiescat in pace.””
(Page 7 of the booklet of Memoirial Inscriptions of that church.)
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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
LILFORD, STEPHEN BRANDLING
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in OUNDLE Volume 03B Page 185
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The two pages, 30 and 31, of the Lilford cum Wigthorpe baptisms are missing from the images on Ancestry so this is the certain reason why his baptism cannot be found, assuming, of course, that he was like his next brother, baptised there. The last baptism on page 29 is on 12th August 1866, the first on page 32 is on 7th June 1874, so 8 years of records have vanished.
The parish registers have been deposited in Northamptonshire Record office at Northampton so I may e-mail them to enquire about these pages.
I wonder if the Bishops’ Transcripts have survived? Add to my enquiry?
I have put in this query:
“I wish to obtain a copy of the baptism image for Stephen Powys (or Lilford) born on 8th March 1869 at Lilford, Northants. Unfortunately the copies of pages 30 and 31 of the Lilford cum Wigthorpe baptism register are missing from Ancestry's site, thus losing 8 years from 1866 to 1874. If you do not have these pages in your copy of the register, do you by any chance have copies of the Bishops' Transcript and can you supply that image instead?”
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Bingo! Page 31 contained his baptism, received on22nd Feb 2022.
His baptism image, thanks to Northants Archives, transcript by me:
“ Page 31.
“BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of Achurch
“ in the County of Northampton in the Year 1868
“. . . .
“When born: 1869 Stephen Powys 3rd son of 4th & Lady Lilford born at Lilford Hall March 8th 1869
“When Baptized: July 26th 1869
“No: 242
“Child’s Forename: Stephen, son of
“Parents’ Forenames: Thomas Lyttleton & Emma Elizabeth
“Parents’ Surname: Powys (Title Lilford)
“Abode: Lilford Hall
“Profession: Baron Lilford Peer of the Realm
“Celebrant: Lewis F Potter, Rector
In fact this was a separate register for the church of Lilford cum Wigthorpe which was within the parish of Achurch.
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In 1871 he was with his parents and siblings at Lilford, aged 2 and born at Lilford.
In 1881 he was at school in Sunningdale, Berks, born at Achurch, Northants and aged 11
Not found in 1891, 1901 or 1911 censuses.
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In 1939 he was in Weymouth:
46 Greenhill , Weymouth and Melcombe Regis M.B., Dorset
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Stephen Lilford (The Rt Hon Lord,Powys) 08 Mar 1869 M Private Means Single 7 1
John R Taylor 14 Oct 1893 M Retired Army Officer Single 7 2
Lucy A Quartermain 27 Sep 1871 F Housekeeper Single 7 3
Ref: RG101/6941I/002/28
Note that the words “Lilford The Rt Hon Lord” were in red ink and thus added after 1939. He did not succeed to the peerage until 1945.
The birth date in this Register confirms that from other sources including his baptism.
_______________
Wikipedia says that he was adopted by his nominal parents and then had his name changed to Stephen Powys. In those days there were no official records of adoptions so this cannot be verified but does explain why his birth registration cannot be found.
Further there are statements that he was originally a godson of his father.
So I wonder if this birth record has anything to do with him?
First name(s) STEPHEN
Last name LILFORD
Birth year 1869
Birth quarter 2
District Oundle
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Volume 3B
Page 185
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
On the new GRO indices it says that the mother’s maiden surname was Brandling.
This birth certificate has been ordered.
_______________
TFPL, 14 Oct 2017: The certificate has arrived and the details are:
Registration District: Oundle
Registration Year: 1869
Counties: Northampton and Huntingdon
Cert No: 248
Date: Eighth March 1869
Name: Stephen
Sex: Boy
Father: Thomas Littleton Lord Lilford
Mother: Emma Elizabeth Lilford, formerly Brandling
Father job: Baron Lilford
Sig: Lilford, father, Lilford Hall
Reg date: Seventh March [sic] 1869
Registrar: James Gann, Registrar
Correction in Margin: In no 248 Col 8 for March substitute April corrected on the 10th May 1869 by me James Gann Registrar in the presence of T Dakin, A Barker, Robt Richardson Supt Regr.
Date of certified copy: 12 October 2017
Comment on the correction and other matters:
1. The correction was to a data impossibility, that the birth could have been registered before the child was born. The fact of their being a correction may have led to the fanciful tales of adoption, above.
2. All other entries were factually correct, particularly the surnames of the father and the mother.
3. There was no space to enter on the form the boy’s surname, which was Powys. So subsequent extracts for the index and other date have given him the surname of his parents. His father, the peer, may have been well aware of all this and may also have rejoiced in a bit of sport by being so literal.
It is quite likely that the registrars were unaware of what was going on and that their leg was being pulled.
But in the end the boy did get his accidental surname when he held the peerage for the last four years of his life. He may, even, not have been aware of what had been done. In the 1939 register he clearly gave his surname as Powys. And a clerk had written it in that he was the Rt Hon Lord Lilford, which he became in 1945.
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There is no burial record of his burial that I have found. But there is a m emorial to him on his father;s memorial in the church at Thorpe Achurch, Northants:
“(side) CLEMENTINA (uxor) et STEPHANUS filius posuerunt. Requiescat in pace.””
(Page 7 of the booklet of Memoirial Inscriptions of that church.)
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Will notes for Stephen Powys Lord Lilford
His probate index:
baron
LILFORD the right honourable Stephen of Lilford Hall Oundle Northamptonshire and of 5 harrowby Court Harrowby-Street Bryanston Square London W.1 died 19 September 1949 at 5 Harrowby Court London Probate (save and except settled land) London 4 January to Archibald Malcolm solicitor and Maximilian Dudley Peirse Dalison of no occupation. Effects £160419 15s 4d. Further Grant 18 January 1950.
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baron
LILFORD the right honourable Stephen of Lilford Hall Oundle Northamptonshire and of 5 harrowby Court Harrowby-Street Bryanston Square London W.1 died 19 September 1949 at 5 Harrowby Court London Probate (save and except settled land) London 4 January to Archibald Malcolm solicitor and Maximilian Dudley Peirse Dalison of no occupation. Effects £160419 15s 4d. Further Grant 18 January 1950.
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