Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
NameGlwadys Dhu (of Wales) 
[60, Mortimer article, Vol IX, p. 276], [60, Abergavenny art, Vol I, p. 22], [123, Vol I, p. 345]
[60, Mortimer article, Vol IX, p. 276], [60, Abergavenny art, Vol I, p. 22], [123, Vol I, p. 345]Birthca 1194, Gwunedd
Death1251, Windsor
Generalm. (1) Reynold & (2) Ralph.
FatherLlewellyn Fawr ap Iowerth Prince of North Wales (-1240)
MotherN. N.
Spouses
1Reynold de Braose Lord of Abergavenny [54, Wm Marshall's article], [60, Abergavenny article, Vol I, p. 22], [54, His father's article], [121, Bramber, Sussex barony (2nd class), p. 108], [121, Horsley, Derbys barony (2nd class), p. 123]
[54, Wm Marshall's article], [60, Abergavenny article, Vol I, p. 22], [54, His father's article], [121, Bramber, Sussex barony (2nd class), p. 108], [121, Horsley, Derbys barony (2nd class), p. 123]FatherWilliam (III) de Braose Lord of Abergavenny (-1211)
MotherMaud de St Valerie
Marriage1215 [60, Abergavenny art, Vol I, p. 22]
Marriage1230
Notes for Glwadys Dhu (of Wales)
CP Vol IX, p. 276 clearly says that Gladys’ mother was Joan, dau. of K. John and wife of Llewelyn.
In his excellent Medieval Genealogy site, in the Complete Peerage Corrections, Chris Phillips writes:
“The identity of Gwladus's mother is still a matter of debate. There is no clear contemporary evidence that her mother was Joan, and a daughter of Llewelyn and Joan could not have been aged more than about 9 in 1215. The only direct statements appear to come some centuries later. One strand of the later tradition does identify Gwladus's mother as Joan, but another says she was Llewelyn's mistress Tangwystl.”
On the other hand DNB first edition clearly says:
“After Reginald's death in 1228, Gladys married Ralph Mortimer, fifth lord of Wigmore, by whom she was the mother of Roger, the sixth lord [see Mortimer, Roger, d. 1282]. Through this marriage the house of Mortimer became after 1283 the legitimate representatives of the old line of Gwynedd.”
This implies that Llewelyn’s relationship with Gladys’ mother was that of marriage so that Gladys can be treated as a heraldic heir.
The ODNB (ie edition II) says that “Joan was probably also the mother of Llywelyn's daughters Gwladus and Margaret”.
I think we can sum her up as a ‘probable heir to her brother Dafydd’.
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In his excellent Medieval Genealogy site, in the Complete Peerage Corrections, Chris Phillips writes:
“The identity of Gwladus's mother is still a matter of debate. There is no clear contemporary evidence that her mother was Joan, and a daughter of Llewelyn and Joan could not have been aged more than about 9 in 1215. The only direct statements appear to come some centuries later. One strand of the later tradition does identify Gwladus's mother as Joan, but another says she was Llewelyn's mistress Tangwystl.”
On the other hand DNB first edition clearly says:
“After Reginald's death in 1228, Gladys married Ralph Mortimer, fifth lord of Wigmore, by whom she was the mother of Roger, the sixth lord [see Mortimer, Roger, d. 1282]. Through this marriage the house of Mortimer became after 1283 the legitimate representatives of the old line of Gwynedd.”
This implies that Llewelyn’s relationship with Gladys’ mother was that of marriage so that Gladys can be treated as a heraldic heir.
The ODNB (ie edition II) says that “Joan was probably also the mother of Llywelyn's daughters Gwladus and Margaret”.
I think we can sum her up as a ‘probable heir to her brother Dafydd’.
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