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NameThomas Chaucer 
[60, Salisbury art, Vol XI, p.373 seq], [54, His own article], [56, Oxon of 1566, '74 &1634, pub Harleian 1871, Ewelme church p. 39]
[60, Salisbury art, Vol XI, p.373 seq], [54, His own article], [56, Oxon of 1566, '74 &1634, pub Harleian 1871, Ewelme church p. 39]Birthca 1367
Death13 Nov 1434
BurialEwelme
GeneralMP. Speaker of the house of commons. Chief butler to Rich II & H IV.
FatherGeoffrey Chaucer (ca1340-ca1400)
MotherPhilippa Roet (-ca1387)
Notes for Thomas Chaucer
DNB: "In all likelihood elder son of Geoffrey Chaucer by his wife Philippa..."
Arms Generally notes for Thomas Chaucer
Per pale argent and gules, a bend counterchanged. (DNB for Geoff Chaucer)
In the Ancestor V, p. 178, his arms are said to be those of Roet (Gules 3 catherine wheels or) quartering those of Burghersh.
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Chris Phillips wrote on 31 May 2005:
From: "Chris Phillips" <cgp@medievalgenealogy.org.uk>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Subject: CP Addition: Maud, the wife of John, Lord Grey of Rotherfield
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 21:40:33 +0100
The Oxfordshire Architectural and Historical Society has generously made
available a number of articles from the early volumes of its journal,
Oxoniensia, on its website:
http://oahs.org.uk/online_contents.htm
One of these I stumbled across with the help of Google is "The Arms on the
Chaucer Tomb at Ewelme with a note on the early manorial history of the
parish", by E. A. Greening Lamborn, from vol. 5 (1940):
http://oahs.org.uk/oxo/vol%205/Lamborn.doc
Among the arms on the tomb of Thomas Chaucer discussed in the article, are
these:
"23. Barry silver and azure a bendlet gules, Grey of Rotherfield, impaling
Burghersh of Ewelme."
Lamborn's comment is as follows:
"This shield is of special interest and importance as providing contemporary
evidence, hitherto unnoticed, for the suggestion in the Complete Peerage,
vi, 147, that Maud, wife of John, 2nd Lord Grey of Rotherfield, ob. 1375,
was daughter of Bartholomew, Lord Burghersh, and sister of Joan, Lady Mohun
(No. 20). The barry coat serves as a reminder that an heraldic pun may be
concealed not merely, as Planche noted, in out-of-the-way charges but even
in the simple ordinaries: the bars are intended to suggest steps, Latin
gradus; and the leaning bendlet adopted as a difference by the Rotherfield
branch of the Greys emphasizes the allusion. In the crest, a scaling ladder,
French gre, the pun is more obvious."
If I understand correctly, Joan, Lady Mohun, and Maud, Lady Grey, would be
placed as first cousins of Thomas Chaucer's father-in-law John Burghersh
(John's father, John, being the younger brother of Joan's father
Bartholomew).
Chris Phillips
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In the Ancestor V, p. 178, his arms are said to be those of Roet (Gules 3 catherine wheels or) quartering those of Burghersh.
_________________________________________________________
Chris Phillips wrote on 31 May 2005:
From: "Chris Phillips" <cgp@medievalgenealogy.org.uk>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Subject: CP Addition: Maud, the wife of John, Lord Grey of Rotherfield
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 21:40:33 +0100
The Oxfordshire Architectural and Historical Society has generously made
available a number of articles from the early volumes of its journal,
Oxoniensia, on its website:
http://oahs.org.uk/online_contents.htm
One of these I stumbled across with the help of Google is "The Arms on the
Chaucer Tomb at Ewelme with a note on the early manorial history of the
parish", by E. A. Greening Lamborn, from vol. 5 (1940):
http://oahs.org.uk/oxo/vol%205/Lamborn.doc
Among the arms on the tomb of Thomas Chaucer discussed in the article, are
these:
"23. Barry silver and azure a bendlet gules, Grey of Rotherfield, impaling
Burghersh of Ewelme."
Lamborn's comment is as follows:
"This shield is of special interest and importance as providing contemporary
evidence, hitherto unnoticed, for the suggestion in the Complete Peerage,
vi, 147, that Maud, wife of John, 2nd Lord Grey of Rotherfield, ob. 1375,
was daughter of Bartholomew, Lord Burghersh, and sister of Joan, Lady Mohun
(No. 20). The barry coat serves as a reminder that an heraldic pun may be
concealed not merely, as Planche noted, in out-of-the-way charges but even
in the simple ordinaries: the bars are intended to suggest steps, Latin
gradus; and the leaning bendlet adopted as a difference by the Rotherfield
branch of the Greys emphasizes the allusion. In the crest, a scaling ladder,
French gre, the pun is more obvious."
If I understand correctly, Joan, Lady Mohun, and Maud, Lady Grey, would be
placed as first cousins of Thomas Chaucer's father-in-law John Burghersh
(John's father, John, being the younger brother of Joan's father
Bartholomew).
Chris Phillips
_______________________________________________________
DNB Main notes for Thomas Chaucer
Chaucer, Thomas 1367?-1434
Name: Chaucer, Thomas
Dates: 1367?-1434
Active Date: 1407
Gender: Male
Field of Interest: Politics, Government and Political Movements
Occupation: Speaker of the House of Commons
Place of
Burial: Ewelme
Spouse: Matilda, second daughter and coheiress of Sir John Burghersh
Sources: Sir Harris Nicolas's Life of Geoffrey Chaucer in vol. i...
Contributor: W. H. [William Hunt]
Article
Chaucer, Thomas 1367?-1434, speaker of the House of Commons, in all likelihood elder son of Geoffrey Chaucer [q.v.], by his wife Philippa, daughter of Sir Payne Roet and sister of Catherine Swynford, mistress and afterwards wife of John, duke of Lancaster, was probably born in 1367. Early in life he married Matilda, second daughter and coheiress of Sir John Burghersh, nephew of Henry Burghersh [q.v.], bishop of Lincoln, treasurer and chancellor of the kingdom. His marriage brought him large estates, and among them the manor of Ewelme, Oxfordshire. It is evident that his connection with the Duke of Lancaster was profitable to him. He was appointed chief butler to Richard II, and on 20 March 1399 received a pension of twenty marks a year in exchange for certain offices granted him by the duke, paying at the same time five marks for the confirmation of two annuities of 10l. charged on the duchy of Lancaster and also granted by the duke. These annuities were confirmed to him by Henry IV, who appointed him constable of Wallingford Castle, and steward of the honours of Wallingford and St. Valery and of the Chiltern Hundreds, with 40l. a year as stipend and 10l. for a deputy. About the same time he succeeded Geoffrey Chaucer as forester of North Petherton Park, Somersetshire (Collinson, Somersetshire. iii. 62; Mr. Selby in Athenæum, 20 Nov. 1886). On 5 Nov. 1402 he received a grant of the chief butlership for life. On 23 Feb. 1411 the queen gave him the manor of Woodstock and other estates during her life, and on 15 March the king assigned them to him after her death. Chaucer sat for Oxfordshire in the parliaments of 1400-1, 1402, 1405-6, 1407, 1409-10, 1411, 1413, 1414, 1421, 1422, 1425-6, 1427, 1429, 1430-1. He was chosen speaker in the parliament that met at Gloucester in 1407, and on 9 Nov. reminded the king that the accounts of the expenditure of the last subsidy had not been rendered. The chancellor interrupted him, declaring that they were not ready, and that for the future the lords would not promise them. He was chosen again in 1410 and in 1411, when, on making his ‘protestation’ and claiming the usual permission of free speech, he was answered by the king that he might speak as other speakers had done, but that no novelties would be allowed. He asked for a day's grace, and then made an apology. He was again chosen in 1414. In that year he also received a commission, in which he is called ‘domicellus,’ to treat about the marriage of Henry V, and to take the homage of the Duke of Burgundy. The next year he served with the king in France, bringing into the field twelve men-at-arms and thirty-seven archers, and was present at the battle of Agincourt. In 1417 he was employed to treat for peace with France. On the accession of Henry VI he appears to have been superseded in the chief butlership, and to have regained it shortly afterwards. In January 1424 he was appointed a member of the council with a salary of 40l., and the next year was one of the commissioners to decide a dispute between the earl marshal and the Earl of Warwick about precedence. In 1430-1 he was appointed one of the executors of the will of the Duchess of York. He was very wealthy, for in the list drawn up in 1436 (he was then dead) of those from whom the council proposed to borrow money for the war with France, he was put down for 200l., the largest sum asked from any on the list except four. He died on 14 March 1434, and was buried at Ewelme, where his wife, who died in 1436, was also buried with him. He left one child, Alice, who married first Sir John Philip (d. 1415); secondly, Thomas, earl of Salisbury (d. 1428), having no children by either; thirdly, William de la Pole, earl and afterwards duke of Suffolk (beheaded 1450), by whom she had two sons and a daughter.
Sources
Sir Harris Nicolas's Life of Geoffrey Chaucer in vol. i. of the Aldine edition of Chaucer's Works, containing references to and extracts from original authorities, has afforded the main substance of the above notice; Manning's Lives of the Speakers, 44-52; Return of Members of Parliament, i. 261-319 passim; Rolls of Parliament, iii. 609, 648, iv. 35; Stubbs's Constitutional History, iii. 60, 63, 67, 90, 259.
Contributor: W. H.
published 1887
Name: Chaucer, Thomas
Dates: 1367?-1434
Active Date: 1407
Gender: Male
Field of Interest: Politics, Government and Political Movements
Occupation: Speaker of the House of Commons
Place of
Burial: Ewelme
Spouse: Matilda, second daughter and coheiress of Sir John Burghersh
Sources: Sir Harris Nicolas's Life of Geoffrey Chaucer in vol. i...
Contributor: W. H. [William Hunt]
Article
Chaucer, Thomas 1367?-1434, speaker of the House of Commons, in all likelihood elder son of Geoffrey Chaucer [q.v.], by his wife Philippa, daughter of Sir Payne Roet and sister of Catherine Swynford, mistress and afterwards wife of John, duke of Lancaster, was probably born in 1367. Early in life he married Matilda, second daughter and coheiress of Sir John Burghersh, nephew of Henry Burghersh [q.v.], bishop of Lincoln, treasurer and chancellor of the kingdom. His marriage brought him large estates, and among them the manor of Ewelme, Oxfordshire. It is evident that his connection with the Duke of Lancaster was profitable to him. He was appointed chief butler to Richard II, and on 20 March 1399 received a pension of twenty marks a year in exchange for certain offices granted him by the duke, paying at the same time five marks for the confirmation of two annuities of 10l. charged on the duchy of Lancaster and also granted by the duke. These annuities were confirmed to him by Henry IV, who appointed him constable of Wallingford Castle, and steward of the honours of Wallingford and St. Valery and of the Chiltern Hundreds, with 40l. a year as stipend and 10l. for a deputy. About the same time he succeeded Geoffrey Chaucer as forester of North Petherton Park, Somersetshire (Collinson, Somersetshire. iii. 62; Mr. Selby in Athenæum, 20 Nov. 1886). On 5 Nov. 1402 he received a grant of the chief butlership for life. On 23 Feb. 1411 the queen gave him the manor of Woodstock and other estates during her life, and on 15 March the king assigned them to him after her death. Chaucer sat for Oxfordshire in the parliaments of 1400-1, 1402, 1405-6, 1407, 1409-10, 1411, 1413, 1414, 1421, 1422, 1425-6, 1427, 1429, 1430-1. He was chosen speaker in the parliament that met at Gloucester in 1407, and on 9 Nov. reminded the king that the accounts of the expenditure of the last subsidy had not been rendered. The chancellor interrupted him, declaring that they were not ready, and that for the future the lords would not promise them. He was chosen again in 1410 and in 1411, when, on making his ‘protestation’ and claiming the usual permission of free speech, he was answered by the king that he might speak as other speakers had done, but that no novelties would be allowed. He asked for a day's grace, and then made an apology. He was again chosen in 1414. In that year he also received a commission, in which he is called ‘domicellus,’ to treat about the marriage of Henry V, and to take the homage of the Duke of Burgundy. The next year he served with the king in France, bringing into the field twelve men-at-arms and thirty-seven archers, and was present at the battle of Agincourt. In 1417 he was employed to treat for peace with France. On the accession of Henry VI he appears to have been superseded in the chief butlership, and to have regained it shortly afterwards. In January 1424 he was appointed a member of the council with a salary of 40l., and the next year was one of the commissioners to decide a dispute between the earl marshal and the Earl of Warwick about precedence. In 1430-1 he was appointed one of the executors of the will of the Duchess of York. He was very wealthy, for in the list drawn up in 1436 (he was then dead) of those from whom the council proposed to borrow money for the war with France, he was put down for 200l., the largest sum asked from any on the list except four. He died on 14 March 1434, and was buried at Ewelme, where his wife, who died in 1436, was also buried with him. He left one child, Alice, who married first Sir John Philip (d. 1415); secondly, Thomas, earl of Salisbury (d. 1428), having no children by either; thirdly, William de la Pole, earl and afterwards duke of Suffolk (beheaded 1450), by whom she had two sons and a daughter.
Sources
Sir Harris Nicolas's Life of Geoffrey Chaucer in vol. i. of the Aldine edition of Chaucer's Works, containing references to and extracts from original authorities, has afforded the main substance of the above notice; Manning's Lives of the Speakers, 44-52; Return of Members of Parliament, i. 261-319 passim; Rolls of Parliament, iii. 609, 648, iv. 35; Stubbs's Constitutional History, iii. 60, 63, 67, 90, 259.
Contributor: W. H.
published 1887