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NameJohn Wake Lord Wake 
[125], [74, No 5286, p. 113], [60, Wake art, Vol XII/2, p. 295 seq], [121, Bourne, Lincs barony (2nd class), p. 108]
[125], [74, No 5286, p. 113], [60, Wake art, Vol XII/2, p. 295 seq], [121, Bourne, Lincs barony (2nd class), p. 108]Birthca 1268
Deathbef 10 Apr 1300
General1st baron: 24 June 1295. Fought Scots in battle of Falkirk 1298.
FatherSir Baldwin Wake Ld of Cottingham & Lydell (ca1238-<1282)
MotherHawise de Quency (ca1250-<1285)
Notes for John Wake Lord Wake
Feudal baron (2nd class) of Bourne, Lincs.
Arms Generally notes for John Wake Lord Wake
In his ‘Armorial Families”, Fox-Davies blazons this as:
Or, two bars gules in chief three torteaux.
But the artwork itself (signed by Clarencieux) is:
Or, two bars argent in chief three torteaux
Finally the “Dictionary of British Arms, Medieval Ordinary”, vol 1 clearly has for loads of Wakes, includin Ld Wake, this blazon:
Or, two bars gules in chief three torteaux.
So in this case the clear conclusion is that Fox-Davies has the right blazon. I wonder if I was therefore wrong in rejecting his version for William of Salisbury (which is not yet in the Dictionary of British Arms as the last two volumes have yet to be published).
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July 2017, TFPL: I have taken a closer look at the original, to check that a redrawing I had done was in agreement with the College of Arms’ original and noticed that the colours of this quarter were all rather Grey so looked like they had faded.
This reminded me that at one time the original was looking very dad with fading and evident water damage. As I was then living a few hundred miles away I was no aware of what had been done to it but it became noticeably in better order at a later date. I suspect my father had got most of it restored but I do not know by whom nor do I possess any notes of the work to be done by the restoring artist. It could be that he got the College of Arms to coordinate the work. And it could also be that this quarter was then not bad enough to warrant any treatment.
My current view is that this quarter in particular is badly faded and need the Gules tincture to be restored for the bars and the torteaux.
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Or, two bars gules in chief three torteaux.
But the artwork itself (signed by Clarencieux) is:
Or, two bars argent in chief three torteaux
Finally the “Dictionary of British Arms, Medieval Ordinary”, vol 1 clearly has for loads of Wakes, includin Ld Wake, this blazon:
Or, two bars gules in chief three torteaux.
So in this case the clear conclusion is that Fox-Davies has the right blazon. I wonder if I was therefore wrong in rejecting his version for William of Salisbury (which is not yet in the Dictionary of British Arms as the last two volumes have yet to be published).
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July 2017, TFPL: I have taken a closer look at the original, to check that a redrawing I had done was in agreement with the College of Arms’ original and noticed that the colours of this quarter were all rather Grey so looked like they had faded.
This reminded me that at one time the original was looking very dad with fading and evident water damage. As I was then living a few hundred miles away I was no aware of what had been done to it but it became noticeably in better order at a later date. I suspect my father had got most of it restored but I do not know by whom nor do I possess any notes of the work to be done by the restoring artist. It could be that he got the College of Arms to coordinate the work. And it could also be that this quarter was then not bad enough to warrant any treatment.
My current view is that this quarter in particular is badly faded and need the Gules tincture to be restored for the bars and the torteaux.
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Armorial Blazon notes for John Wake Lord Wake
Or, two bars gules in chief three torteaux.
Blazon source notes for John Wake Lord Wake
RCLPL’s Achievement of 1927 by C of A.
“Dictionary of British Arms, Medieval Ordinary”, vol 1, p. 44 which has “Or 2 bars in chf 3 roundels Gu” and says on of the instances found was “WAKE, Thomas, Ld. Sandford 102 & 110 (d1349, m Blanche of Lancaster.) Sandford is “‘Genealogical History of the Kings of England’, F Sandford, Nichilson & Knaplock - London 1707 (HSL).
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“Dictionary of British Arms, Medieval Ordinary”, vol 1, p. 44 which has “Or 2 bars in chf 3 roundels Gu” and says on of the instances found was “WAKE, Thomas, Ld. Sandford 102 & 110 (d1349, m Blanche of Lancaster.) Sandford is “‘Genealogical History of the Kings of England’, F Sandford, Nichilson & Knaplock - London 1707 (HSL).
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