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NameUrso de Abitot 
[80, His brother, Robert Dispensator, p. 383], [54, His own article], [80, Urso de Abitot, p. 439]
[80, His brother, Robert Dispensator, p. 383], [54, His own article], [80, Urso de Abitot, p. 439]Death1108
GeneralHereditary Sheriff of Worcs. In Domesday.
Spouses
Notes for Urso de Abitot
K-R: Inherited his lands from his brother Robert the Dispencer.
From Abbetot, Seine-maritime, arr. le Havre, cant. Saint-Romain.
His son Roger was banished 1110 by Henry I, leaving his daus as his heirs: one m. Walter I de Beauchamp and the other Roger Marmion. ... He may also have had a son Robert.
TFPL, Oct 2003: If Roger himself had heirs, this means that his sisters were not heraldic heraldic (or genetic) heirs of their father. Potentially another one in the eye for C of A? And in any case, arms had not been invented before Urso's death!
TFPL, May 2009: Loyd in his Anglo-Norman Families, includes a son Robert who lived in Abetot, Normandy. Did he have any children?
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In his “Anglo-Norman Armory” pub 1973, C R J Humphery-Smith write on p.27 that Urso’s father was Umary Fitz Gerold and that Urso had a brother Robert, called Despenser, who was the for beat r of the Despenser and Spencer families.
Keats-Rohan gives Robert Despensator as the brother of Urso, above, but says Urso was Robert’s heir, implying that Robert was not the forbear of any Despencers.
Further Humphery-Smith states that the Abitot arms were per pale gules and vert, two pions passant gardant argent or Ermine a chief per bend or and sable, both taken from Moor’s knights of Edward I, and being for a much later Geoffrey d’Abetot who lived in 1324.
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From Abbetot, Seine-maritime, arr. le Havre, cant. Saint-Romain.
His son Roger was banished 1110 by Henry I, leaving his daus as his heirs: one m. Walter I de Beauchamp and the other Roger Marmion. ... He may also have had a son Robert.
TFPL, Oct 2003: If Roger himself had heirs, this means that his sisters were not heraldic heraldic (or genetic) heirs of their father. Potentially another one in the eye for C of A? And in any case, arms had not been invented before Urso's death!
TFPL, May 2009: Loyd in his Anglo-Norman Families, includes a son Robert who lived in Abetot, Normandy. Did he have any children?
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In his “Anglo-Norman Armory” pub 1973, C R J Humphery-Smith write on p.27 that Urso’s father was Umary Fitz Gerold and that Urso had a brother Robert, called Despenser, who was the for beat r of the Despenser and Spencer families.
Keats-Rohan gives Robert Despensator as the brother of Urso, above, but says Urso was Robert’s heir, implying that Robert was not the forbear of any Despencers.
Further Humphery-Smith states that the Abitot arms were per pale gules and vert, two pions passant gardant argent or Ermine a chief per bend or and sable, both taken from Moor’s knights of Edward I, and being for a much later Geoffrey d’Abetot who lived in 1324.
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Arms Generally notes for Urso de Abitot
Per pale or and gules, three roundels counterchanged.
Armorial Blazon notes for Urso de Abitot
Per pale or and gules, three roundels counterchanged.
Blazon source notes for Urso de Abitot
RCLPL’s Achievement of 1927 by C of A.
DNB Main notes for Urso de Abitot
Urse d'Abetot fl. 1086
Name: Urse d'Abetot
Dates: fl. 1086
Active Date: 1086
Gender: Male
Field of Interest: Law
Occupation: Sheriff of Worcestershire
Spouse: Adelisa
Sources: Domesday Book; Will. Malmesbury's Evesham Chronicle and Red Book of...
Contributor: J. H. R. [John Horace Round]
Article
Urse d'Abetot fl. 1086, sheriff of Worcestershire, derived his name from St. Jean d'Abbetot, near Tancarville (Seine Inf,rieure). He appears in `Domesday' as a tenant-in-chief in the counties of Gloucester, Worcester, Hereford, and Warwick, being also styled in it `Urso de Wirecestre' (f. 169 b) from his office as sheriff of Worcestershire. William of Malmesbury, describing him as `Vicecomes Wigorni‘ a rege constitutus,' tells the story of his encroaching on the cemetery of Worcester Abbey to make his castle ditch, and of his stern rebuke for it by Archbishop Ealdred: `Hightest thou Urse, have thou God's curse' (Gesta Pontificum). He figures largely in Worcestershire as a despoiler of the church, especially of the monks of Worcester (Heming, Cartulary, pp. 257, 261, 267, 269), in one case seizing on a manor as an endowment for his daughter (ib. p. 251). Evesham and Pershore also suffered at his hands. On the other hand, he was traditionally the founder of Malvern Priory (Monasticon, iii. 477). On the revolt of the Earl of Hereford in 1074 he joined the bishop of Worcester and the abbot of Evesham in defeating the earl's forces (Flor. Wig.). Freeman states that he was sheriff of Gloucestershire as well as Worcestershire (Norm. Conq. iv. 173), but this seems to be an error.
Throughout the reign of William Rufus, Urse is found as a witness to royal charters, and the charter of Henry I, for holding the local courts, issued between 1108 and 1112, is addressed to him as sheriff of Worcestershire (Select Charters, p. 99).
He was succeeded in this reign by his son Roger, who offended Henry I by slaying one of his officers (Will. Malm. ut supra). There can be little doubt (though the fact has escaped notice) that this was the Roger `Vicecomes de Wirecestria' to whom is addressed a writ of Henry I (Hale, p. 30 a), and the Roger de Worcester whose lands were granted by Henry I to Walter de Beauchamp in a charter entered in the Warwick cartulary. With him Urse's male issue seems to have become extinct, though members of the house of Abetot continued in the county (Liber Rubeus, p. 266), giving name to Croome d'Abitot and Redmarley d'Abitot. The `Evesham Chronicle' speaks of them as `Ursini.' Freeman speaks, at the battle of Lincoln, of `Richard, the son of Urse, a descendant, it would seem, of the old enemy, Urse of Abetott, whose exploits that day might be taken as some atonement for the crimes of his kindred' (Norm. Conq. v. 300). But there seems to have been no connection between the two.
Walter de Beauchamp, who married Urse's daughter Emmeline (Dugdale), obtained from Henry I a confirmation of the lands given him by Adelisa, Urse's widow, together with the shrievalty of Worcestershire and the office of constable. These grants, which are recorded in the Warwick cartulary, founded the greatness of the Beauchamps, whose descendants, it is said, preserved the memory of Urse in the well-known `bear' cognisance of the earls of Warwick.
It is well ascertained that Robert the Despencer, another tenant-in-chief, was brother to Urse (Heming, Cartulary, p. 253; Geoffrey de Mandeville, p. 314), and his office of despencer was obtained by Walter de Beauchamp. It is usually stated that the Marmions were the heirs of Robert, but it is certain that much of his property passed to the Beauchamps (Ancient Charters, p. 2; Geoffrey de Mandeville, pp. 313-15; Feudal England, pp. 170-76, 179-80, 194-5).
Sources
Domesday Book; Will. Malmesbury's Evesham Chronicle and Red Book of the Exchequer (Rolls Ser.); Heming's Cartulary, ed. Hearne; Dugdale's Baronage; Hale's Cartulary of St. Mary's, Worcester (Camd. Soc.); Flor. Wig. (Engl. Hist. Soc.); Monasticon Anglicanum; Stubbs's Select Charters; Round's Ancient Charters (Pipe Roll Soc.), Geoffrey de Mandeville, and Feudal England; Warwick Cartulary (Addit. MS. 28024).
Contributor: J. H. R.
published 1899
Name: Urse d'Abetot
Dates: fl. 1086
Active Date: 1086
Gender: Male
Field of Interest: Law
Occupation: Sheriff of Worcestershire
Spouse: Adelisa
Sources: Domesday Book; Will. Malmesbury's Evesham Chronicle and Red Book of...
Contributor: J. H. R. [John Horace Round]
Article
Urse d'Abetot fl. 1086, sheriff of Worcestershire, derived his name from St. Jean d'Abbetot, near Tancarville (Seine Inf,rieure). He appears in `Domesday' as a tenant-in-chief in the counties of Gloucester, Worcester, Hereford, and Warwick, being also styled in it `Urso de Wirecestre' (f. 169 b) from his office as sheriff of Worcestershire. William of Malmesbury, describing him as `Vicecomes Wigorni‘ a rege constitutus,' tells the story of his encroaching on the cemetery of Worcester Abbey to make his castle ditch, and of his stern rebuke for it by Archbishop Ealdred: `Hightest thou Urse, have thou God's curse' (Gesta Pontificum). He figures largely in Worcestershire as a despoiler of the church, especially of the monks of Worcester (Heming, Cartulary, pp. 257, 261, 267, 269), in one case seizing on a manor as an endowment for his daughter (ib. p. 251). Evesham and Pershore also suffered at his hands. On the other hand, he was traditionally the founder of Malvern Priory (Monasticon, iii. 477). On the revolt of the Earl of Hereford in 1074 he joined the bishop of Worcester and the abbot of Evesham in defeating the earl's forces (Flor. Wig.). Freeman states that he was sheriff of Gloucestershire as well as Worcestershire (Norm. Conq. iv. 173), but this seems to be an error.
Throughout the reign of William Rufus, Urse is found as a witness to royal charters, and the charter of Henry I, for holding the local courts, issued between 1108 and 1112, is addressed to him as sheriff of Worcestershire (Select Charters, p. 99).
He was succeeded in this reign by his son Roger, who offended Henry I by slaying one of his officers (Will. Malm. ut supra). There can be little doubt (though the fact has escaped notice) that this was the Roger `Vicecomes de Wirecestria' to whom is addressed a writ of Henry I (Hale, p. 30 a), and the Roger de Worcester whose lands were granted by Henry I to Walter de Beauchamp in a charter entered in the Warwick cartulary. With him Urse's male issue seems to have become extinct, though members of the house of Abetot continued in the county (Liber Rubeus, p. 266), giving name to Croome d'Abitot and Redmarley d'Abitot. The `Evesham Chronicle' speaks of them as `Ursini.' Freeman speaks, at the battle of Lincoln, of `Richard, the son of Urse, a descendant, it would seem, of the old enemy, Urse of Abetott, whose exploits that day might be taken as some atonement for the crimes of his kindred' (Norm. Conq. v. 300). But there seems to have been no connection between the two.
Walter de Beauchamp, who married Urse's daughter Emmeline (Dugdale), obtained from Henry I a confirmation of the lands given him by Adelisa, Urse's widow, together with the shrievalty of Worcestershire and the office of constable. These grants, which are recorded in the Warwick cartulary, founded the greatness of the Beauchamps, whose descendants, it is said, preserved the memory of Urse in the well-known `bear' cognisance of the earls of Warwick.
It is well ascertained that Robert the Despencer, another tenant-in-chief, was brother to Urse (Heming, Cartulary, p. 253; Geoffrey de Mandeville, p. 314), and his office of despencer was obtained by Walter de Beauchamp. It is usually stated that the Marmions were the heirs of Robert, but it is certain that much of his property passed to the Beauchamps (Ancient Charters, p. 2; Geoffrey de Mandeville, pp. 313-15; Feudal England, pp. 170-76, 179-80, 194-5).
Sources
Domesday Book; Will. Malmesbury's Evesham Chronicle and Red Book of the Exchequer (Rolls Ser.); Heming's Cartulary, ed. Hearne; Dugdale's Baronage; Hale's Cartulary of St. Mary's, Worcester (Camd. Soc.); Flor. Wig. (Engl. Hist. Soc.); Monasticon Anglicanum; Stubbs's Select Charters; Round's Ancient Charters (Pipe Roll Soc.), Geoffrey de Mandeville, and Feudal England; Warwick Cartulary (Addit. MS. 28024).
Contributor: J. H. R.
published 1899