Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Powys-Lybbe Forbears - Person Sheet
Birth13 Nov 1938, Luna House, 12 Bath Road, Reading, Berks
Baptism10 Dec 1938, St Mary's Woolhampton, Berks
General1st s. Project manager.
EducationLadycross, Downside, Oxford, Bristol, Dublin, Exeter.
FatherAntony Powys-Lybbe (1909-2004)
MotherRosemary Priscilla Ferrand (1912-1987)
Notes for Timothy Francis Powys-Lybbe
1945-51: Ladycross School, Sussex
1951-56: Downside School, Nr Bath
1956-58: Oxford doing Science then Engineering Science.
1959-61: National Service, Corporal in R Sigs, worked on continuous electronic cipher machines.
1961: Worked in Elliott Automation doing development of industrial grade tape-recorder
1961-63: Bristol University doing Electrical Engineering.
1963-66: Univ Coll, Dublin doing Psychology, Logic and Philosophy.  BA II(2)
1966-67: Exeter Univ doing research on Karl Popper's Logic of Science
1967-70: Company Traning Manager with Westbrick Products, Exeter
1970-2000: United Biscuits. 70-76: Training Manager at Billingham,
     76-83: Planning & Supplies Mgr at Billingham
     83-86: Sales Liaison Mgr in Operation Dept at KP Head Office, Twickehnham
     89-00: Project Mgr in Computer Dept
July 2000: Retired.
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Birth certificate: No 315 of the Saint Mary sub-district of the county borough of Reading, Berks.
Born on 13th Nov 1938 at Lune House, Bath Road, (Reading UD), named Timothy Francis, a boy, father Antony Powys-Lybbe, mother Rosemary Priscilla Powys-Lybbe formerly Ferrand, father of independent means; of Mead House Bradfield Berks RD, information A Powys-Lybbe, father, Mead House, Bradfield Berks, Registration date: ninth January 1939, registrar Ada Day.  Original certified copy dated 9th January 1939 and signed over a penny stamp by Ada Day.

Lune or Luna or Lime House was at No 12 Bath Road; this is established from the 1936 and 1939 Kelly Directories for Reading.  The principal was Mrs Bodkin and the phone number was Reading 3929.  The next step is to try to find the place and take a photo of what is there now.
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Baptism certificate: from the register of baptisms at St Mary's Woolhampton, Berks:
Son of: Antony Powys Lybbe and Rosemary Powys-Lybbe formerly Ferrand, born on 13th November 1938, baptised in this church by William Aloysius Bloor on 10th December 1938 with godparents of Thomas Hugh Winterborn and Ruth Stoneham.
Certified by W A Bloor OSB on 26th May 1952.
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Marriage certificate: No 67 of Stratton Registration Districy of the county of Cornwall.
Marriage date: 21 Sept 1963. Names:
Timothy Francis Powys-Lybbe, 24 years, bachelor, driver salesman for ice-cream merchants, of 12 Meridian Place Clifton, Bristol 8, father Anthony [sic] Powys-Lybbe of Private Means.
Mary Monica Gowan MORGAN 22 years, spinster, B.A., of Trelawne, Poughill, Bude, father Herbert Gowan Morgan, Capt. merchant marine (retired).
Place: Catholic church of St Peter's, Bude, by Joseph H du Moulin Brown, priest and W J May, registrar.  
Witnesses: W Parker, P A Green [later Mott]
Certified by E Chegwin on 2nd October 1980.

[Joseph H du Moulin Browne is almost ceretainly the Josephy Henry du Moulin Browne in Crisp and Howard’s “Visitation of England”, vol 1, p. 119, privately printed 1893.  Born 23 Mar 1890, bapt 24 Mar 1890 at St Peter’s church, Leamington.}
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Certificate of decree nisi Alsolute (Divorce) for Matrimonial Causes Rules in the Stockton on Tees County Court, No 72 D 0807 between:
Timothy Francis Powys-Lybbe
and Mary Monica Gowan Powys-Lybbe
Referring to the decree made on this cause on the 4th day of December 1972 whereby it was decreed that the marriage solemnised on the 21st day of September 1963 at St Peter's Roman Catholic Church, Bude in the District of Stratton, in the County of Cornwall, between Timothy Francis Powys-Lybbe and Mary Monica Gowan Powys-Lybbe be dissolved unless sufficient cause can be shown to the Court within six weeks from the making thereof why the said decree should not be made absolute, and no such cause having been shown, it is hereby certified that the said decree was on the date of 16th Jan 1973 made final and absolute and that the said marriage was thereby dissolved.
Dated this day of 16 Jan 1973 by E. CONWIL LEWIS, Registrar, Stockton on Tees, The County Court, ... Road, Stockton on Tees.  Stamped with the Stockon on Tees County Court stamp.
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Nullity of marriage:
Letter from Mgr E G Dunderdale, Officialis of the Archdiocese of Westminster, 209 Old Marylebone Road, London, NW1 5QT, ref Powys-Lybbe/Morgan, 1-154/80, EGD/KB, dated 2nd August 1982:
"I write to advise you that the Judges met on 29th July 1982 in connection with your case and were satisfied that nullity of marriage seems to be indicated.
"However, as you will be aware, two concurring decisions in your favour are required before any decree can be granted.  For this purpose it will be necessary to refer all the papers in the case to our appeal court in Birmingham.  The appeal court will decide if it can merely confirm the first instance decision and issue a Decree of Nullity; or whether it must consider the case at greater length.  If that latter should be the case, we would then send you another form to sign by which you would re-appoint your Advocate.   In any case, the period of waiting for the decision of the appeal court will be at least three months.
"We are pleased to be able to inform you of the happy outcome of the case thus far; and pray the case will be successful on appeal."
Nothing further was heard...
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Marriage certificate No 71 of 1980 for Northallerton District in North Yorks:
Dated 2nd August 1980, between:
Timothy Francis POWYS-LYBBE, 41 years, Previous marriage dissolved, Planning and Supplies Manager, of 26 Hilton Road, Seamer father Antony POWYS-LYBBE, land owner and piano tuner
and:
Bridget Anne Rennie Turner, 33 years, spinster, School teacher of 80 Allington Drive, Billingham, father Ian Rennie Turner, Project Engineer (retired)
Married in the Registry office by certificate before Alicia Butcher, Superintendent Registrar and Sam Holdsworth, Deputy registrar.
Witnesses: Jenny M Aitken and C P S Markham.
Certified a true copy by Sam Holdsworth on the 2nd August 1980.
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Houses
Born to Mead House, Bradfield, Berks, possibly an eight bedroom house with three cottages and 12 or so acres around.  Not to mention a Judas tree that was one of the first to be brought to England and which, rather decrepit, still survives.
c. 1941 We went to Lisburn, N. Ireland where my father was stationed, probably to prevent The Republic of Ireland either being invaded by the Germans or to deal with them if they decided to declare with the Germans.  My father told me we had two stints in Lisburn but I don't remember that, too young.
c. late 1943. Camberley, Hants while my father was on a staff course at Sandhurst prior to being appointed major.  I think we were there for six months.
c. 1944 to c. March 1945 The Old House, Bradfield, Berks where we stayed with my grandmother while my father was in Africa then Italy.  Mead House was let so we could not move back in there.
c. April 1945 to c. Sept 1946: Mead House, Bradfield.  A lovely time there as Martin and I were just old enough to appreciate the space to run about and play in.  But it was sold either because it was too expensive or because, as he has said in recent years, my father could not stand his mother-in-law in the close vicinity.
c. Oct 1946 to summer 1958: Barkers, Amersham Common, Bucks.  A small, perhaps 18th century farmhouse with 6 bedrooms plus a kitchen wing in around 3 acres.  A great place for children to play in.
Summer 1958 to Feb 1959: Breve House, Heronsgate, Herts.  A larger house in a slightly larger plot which I hardly stayed in because I had left Oxford and was waiting to start National Service.
Feb to Aug 1959: Catterick Camp, North Yorks.  Basic training in the Royal Signals.
Sept 1959-Feb 1961: Royal Signals Barracks at S.E. Gloucester, working at Boddington near Cheltenham for the final 18 months of my National Service.
Feb to Sept 1961: Borehamwood, Herts, while I worked for Elliot Automation.
Sept 1961-Sept 1963: Mostly at No 7 Victoria Square, Clifton, Bristol while I was a student there.
Oct 1963-Aug 1965: Flat 2, Glenageary House, Glenageary, Dun Laoghaire, Ireland for the first two years of my degree course at UCD.
Sep 1965-Sep 1966 At a bungalow a mile away, still in Glenageary, for the final year of my degree course.
Oct 1966 to late 1968: Gorwyn House, Cheriton Bishop, Devon for my year of research into Popper's works followed by working at Westbrick Ltd at Exeter.
Late 1968 to June 1970: A smaller house in Crediton, Devon still working for Westbrick Ltd.
June to October 1970: Forum House, Billingham, Teesside having moved there for a job with United Biscuits at Billingham (or Meredith and Drew as it was still named then)
Nov 1970 to Sept 1971: Prior Court, Low Grange Billingham, a key-worker council flat in a tower block, shared with another key-worker at the factory.
Oct 1971 to mid 1976: No 4 Laxton Close, High Grange, Billingham, a small four bedroom house built in a vast development by Greensitt and Barratt, now known as Barratt.  The start of my property investment which paid off handsomely over the following decades of vast price inflation.
Mid 1976 to Sept 1983: 26 Hilton Road, Seamer, Nr Stokeley, North Yorks, a small three bedroom house with lovely views and a delightful pub next door.
Oct 1983 to Sept 1990: 37 Harebell Close Hartley Wintney, Hants, a small four bedroom house on the Astles estate just north of the main road, and shops, in Hartley Wintney, a lovely village where my uncle and aunt, Hugo and Bettine Ferrand lived.  My job with UB had taken me south to work in Twickenham.
Sept 1990 on: Winkfield, Windsor, to a large three bedroom house which we enlarged to make four bedrooms.  The move was so that the boys could go to St John's Beaumont.
Oct 2003-Mar 2004: Major ground floor extension to the house: doubled the dining room, with a glass-house over it and tripled the utility room.
c.2008: The Shed: Garage plus library freeing up space in The House.
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Here's a list of the genetic representations we have accumulated:

Representative of Philip Powys, 1704-79,  of Hardwick, Oxon.
Representative of Richard Lybbe, 1673-1722, of Hardwick, Oxon.
Representative of John Girle FRS, c.1702-61, of Beenham, Berks.
Co-representative of Richard Michell, 1728-89, of Culham Court, Berks
Probable co-representative of Sir John Tash, 1673-1735 of London.
Co-representative of Sir FitzWilliam Barrington, 1755-1832, bt of Swainston, I of W
Co-representative of William Bartholomew, 1817-85, of The Crown, Ashley, Cambs,
Heir-general of James Trotter, 1754-1833, of Horton Manor, Epsom, Surrey,
Representative of Canon Henry Eden Trotter, 1844-1922, of Whitchurch, Oxon.
Representative of William Stedman Gillett, 1800-1886, of Bitterne, Nr Southampton, Hants.
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June 2007: Elected, though no voting as no surplus candidates, Trustee of the Society of Genealogists.
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Oct 2007: Paid the College of Arms to update the P-L family records to include the marriage and descendants of APL.  As of March 2008, the pedigree has been signed off but needs formal approval by another herald and then scrivened up and finally bound into the record books; this may take another year or so!

Meanwhile, March 2008, I have ordered also a scrivened copy of the pedigree to include a few coats of arms, particularly the impalements of my parents and paternal grandparents, not to mention also, if possible, an inescutcheon of pretence for my grandfather on account of his marrying an eventual, and in her issue only, heraldic heiress.  I have not paid for this yet so delivery date is unknown.  When it is paid for and delivered, I will get it scanned and then copies printed for all the P-L descendants.
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My godfather, (Thomas) Hugh Winterbourne

In May 2012 Dr Will Ward of Dorchester wrote to me in connection with the WW2 operations at Coleshill House, Dorchester, Dorset.  One of the people involved had been the man I knew of as Hugh Winterbourne but was born as Thomas Hugh Winterbourne.  While he was my godfather, I never met him, nor knew anything about him.  He must have been a friend of my father’s at Woolwich Acadamy (”The Shop”) and subsequently in the 1930s.  Anyhow he wrote:

“I came across your address on the internet while researching Lt Col Thomas Hugh Winterborn, who according to your website was your godfather, presumably knowing your father as a fellow Royal Signals officer. I was researching him as I am interested in the wartime Auxiliary Units and work with a group called CART (Coleshill Auxiliary Research Team). There is a website www.coleshillhouse.com <http://www.coleshillhouse.com/>  which is where we set out the research.

“Major T H Winterborn is featured in a photograph in a book called "The Last Ditch" published in 1968, along with other officers at the HQ of Auxiliary Units, Coleshill House. Other than this photo very little is known of his involvement, though as a career Royal Signals Officer I suspect he was probably in command of the Signals section (also known as Special Duties).  This comprised a network of secret wireless transmitters in peoples homes or underground bunkers that reported back to other underground bases, created in case of a possible German invasion, though obviously never used. We know that later a Major RMA Jones took over this role.

“I appreciate this may be a long shot as many people have little contact with their godparents, but I haven't been able to find any links to any surviving Winterborn family members so far. There are a few mentions of his career in the London Gazette, including the award of the CBE while attached to the Ministry of Defence in 1965. There is also mention of support for a role with the SIS in 1945 by Maj Gen Penny who was serving with HQ South East Asia Command, which is not unusual for those involved with Aux Units (though I am not interested in his post-war work). What I am interested to know is anything to do with his wartime service, particularly in relation to Auxiliary Units at Coleshill House.

“This is a link to the picture mentioned above - he is no 43 in the key, third from the right in the front row.

“<http://www.btinternet.com/~david.waller/gbradfordhistory.htm>”;

And after my useless reply he added:

“Thank you for the reply. I realised after I wrote that he and your father are listed together in the London Gazette in 1929, so were obviously at the Royal Military Academy together.

“I also found a couple of references to motor race entries in 1932 and 1934 here. <http://www.teamdan.com/archive/book/beyond_1918.pdf>;

Of note he and your father had adjacent numbers so presumably were entering at the same time.

“I found more about him from a Norwegian family history site.
<http://www.beichmann.net/index.php?/nor/content/do...mann%20ny%203.pdf>;

“The following is a rough translation
“4. Helene (Nenne) Beichmann was born in Christiania (now Oslo) 06/01 /1911. She graduated Stabbek middle school 1928, and undertook the Orthopaedic Institute's courses for massage 1929-30, and then worked some years as masseuse  in Oslo and at Lysaker. In 1935 she went with her mother to Shanghai to visit. 25.02 1937 She was married in Tokyo with a Lieutenant in the British army, Royal Corps of Signals, Thomas Hugh Winterborn, born in Sussex, England, 09.12 1909.  After Officer training and some years of service he was in 1935 sent to Japan for language studies. In 1938 he was promoted to captain and returned in 1939 after a brief stay at Formosa returned to regular service in the Army. In 1940 he was promoted to major and worked at the War Office until 1943. 1943-45 he was at Mountbatten's headquarters in Ceylon (now Sri Lanka), 1945-49 head for "Security Intellegence Far East" in Singapore. Winterborn left the Army in 1950 as a Lieutenant Colonel and then worked at Ministry of Defense until he retired in 1969. Some of Winterborn's business is, for example, described in the book ‘Spycatcher" by Peter Wright, 1987’.

“Hugh Winterborn died 03.08 1985 and Nenne Winterborn 01.01 1994.  His children were born in 1939 & 1940, perhaps explaining why he took a UK posting until 1943.”


Peter Wright’s book was rather notorious as the British Government tried, and failed, to prevent its publication.
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In 2013 I was able to buy the Marshall triptych of miniatures of Sir Samuel Marhall, his wife Elizabeth Marhsall, nee Worsley and their son Capt Marshall, RN, who almost certainly died in or soon after a sea battle.  The course of this triptych through the generations is speculative but highly probable:

Before 1795, originally commissioned by Sir Samuel Marshall who died in 1795.

Probably descended to his elder daughter, Edith-Mary who married Sir FitzWilliam Barrington, bt, the last male Barrington of the family of Hatfeild Broadoak, Essex.

Probably given before her death to Julia Barrington by her mother; Julia died in 1821 having married Henry Philip Powys and had a son Philip Lybbe Powys.

Undoubtedly the triptych must have stayed at Hardwick and was given before his death in 1859 or by will by Henry Philip Powys to the youngest son of his second marriage, William Cunliffe Powys, the first clear owner who was not descended from the Marshalls.

William Cunliffe Powys died in 1890 in Canada where he and his family had emigrated and may have left the triptych to his wife Constance Ellen Powys, who died in 1923, or directly to their eldest daughter Eleanor Constance Powys, born in 1869.

Eleanor Constance married Thomas ‘Frank’ Gambell in 1905 and they had two daughters, the second of whom died young.   Eleanor Constance died in 1957 and gave or left the triptych to her only surviving daughter Mary Eleanor, ‘Molly’, Gambell born in 1906.

Molly Gambell survived unmarried until her death in 1977 when she left the triptych to her half second cousin Isobel Powys where their common ancestor was Bransby William Powys, the lawyer.

Isobel Powys was also born in 1906 and married Herbert Henry Marks and died in 1999 when she left the triptych to her son, Stephen Powys Marks, born in 1932.

Stephen Powys Marks had no idea where this triptych had come from as he could not find any Marshalls in his ancestry.  Fortunately his curiosity in retirement led him to very successful genealogical and historical investigations and he rapidly found me, bringing me up to speed on all his Powys relations.  After receiving it he had even had it valued with a view to selling it.  I visited him and he showed me it and I immediately recognised the names of grandparents of our finest genealogical ancestor, Julia Barrington.  I believe I asked him for first refusal if he should actually wish to sell it and in 2013 on my 75th birthday celebrations, he brought it along for me to examine and hopefully make an offer.  I jumped at this and it is now in my possession, a descendant of two of the subjects of the triptych.
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