A problem which exercised a few at the original presentation on the Kingmaker's arms concerned those quarters which had been devised for people who had lived before the initiation of heraldry around the second quarter of the twelfth century. Several of the quarterings in my grandfather's scheme belonged to people who might well have died before their arms appeared. The following is a list of those in my grandfather's scheme that might be questioned because they died before 1177:

C of A Quarter No	Arms	Name	Suffix Title	Death Date
37		Waleran	Earl of Mellent	8 Dec 1069
38		Ralph de Gwadyr	Earl of East Angles	bef Jul 1098
59		Robert FitzHamon	Lord of Tewkesbury	10 Mar 1107
49		Urso de Abitot		1108
21		Gilbert de Neville		aft 1118
32		Geoffroi de Porhoet	Vicomte de Porhoet	1142
33		Conan III "Crassus"	Duke of Brittany	17 Sep 1148
34		Philip de Belmeis		ca 1154
22		Bertram Bulmer		ca 1166
61		Richard 'Strongbow' FitzGilbert	Earl of Pembroke	20 Apr 1176

The point is that all these were accepted by the College; I would be surprised if they have changed their rules on this. So assembling the quarterings of the Kingmaker must include such early arms devised after the armiger's death.

However two of the above, Nos 32 and 33, will in fact be excluded as they are NOT ancestral; see a later rule. And No 38 has also to be excluded because their descent to the Kingmaker is NOT through an heiress.